I don't know why everyone is saying that Shu is stronger than free(and people were saying the same back then)
But if you remember ,at the end of season 2 ,everyone was saying that free lost to valt because of an accident ,and that free is stronger
But then valt defeated Shu
And if valt is stronger than Shu
It means that free is also stronger than Shu

The main antagonist of his respective time (Shu) was most likely better than Free, he even had his bey dubbed as the “perfect beyblade” so out of logic he would be tougher. Free beat nightmare Luinor, but Shu destroyed Lunior (but with the score of 3-2 rather than 3-1 but please, destroying a bey is worth all that) and by extension whilst Free did forfeit with Valt only getting a knockout Free went beyond his own limit which is why it happened and if you think about it Valt and Shu never surpassed their limits as much as Free did and therefore they did not suffer those consequences (atleast not until later when Shu injured himself for launching too hard). It is kinda like a tiit for tat with Free giving his  body in for an extra advantage. In chouzetsu Shu beat a full powered Aiga 4-0 whilst Free won 3-0 and despite the fact that Free and Shu both lost in equal score to Phi - but Shu got a lot closer to winning in both the second and third rounds. Overall most indications point to Shu being better in my opinion (not to mention the fact that he was also the former deuteragonist) but an opinion is what it is and everyone’s got one I could be wrong.

Free did not go beyond his limit ,he is limit less
And how can forget that lui was dominating for most part of their fight, and shu onky hot upperhand in the end
While in his right with free, free was dominating most of his fight

My opinion is that we should consider the first 4/5 bladers in the world almost equal to each other. I mean like in real life sport there are, let's say, tennis player who are ranked higher than other although the loose direct matches. My point is, one thing is considering the official ranking which is a fact, another is considering the real value of a player, which is an opinion. In my opinion in God series was slightly stronger then Valt and Shu even though he ended up 3rd in the ranking.
I see people applying math to asses the value of the players. I mean it's true that Kit beated Aiga the first time, but I would'say he is stronger then Heart by logic.
Sorry for the long post, but for some reason bladers value is a matter which concerns me

The main antagonist of his respective time (Shu) was most likely better than Free, he even had his bey dubbed as the “perfect beyblade” so out of logic he would be tougher. Free beat nightmare Luinor, but Shu destroyed Lunior (but with the score of 3-2 rather than 3-1 but please, destroying a bey is worth all that) and by extension whilst Free did forfeit with Valt only getting a knockout Free went beyond his own limit which is why it happened and if you think about it Valt and Shu never surpassed their limits as much as Free did and therefore they did not suffer those consequences (atleast not until later when Shu injured himself for launching too hard). It is kinda like a tiit for tat with Free giving his  body in for an extra advantage. In chouzetsu Shu beat a full powered Aiga 4-0 whilst Free won 3-0 and despite the fact that Free and Shu both lost in equal score to Phi - but Shu got a lot closer to winning in both the second and third rounds. Overall most indications point to Shu being better in my opinion (not to mention the fact that he was also the former deuteragonist) but an opinion is what it is and everyone’s got one I could be wrong.

Free did not go beyond his limit ,he is limit less
And how can forget that lui was dominating for most part of their fight, and shu onky hot upperhand in the end
While in his right with free, free was dominating most of his fight

Lui only had the upper hand during the round where he bursted Spriggan but the thing is that Spriggan was not in the suited mode for fighting being in Stamina mode. Pretty much all of Shu’s opponents in god/evolution go that way unless Shu beats them right away which he did not do too much. During his match with Lui, Free did not have the upper hand in his first round whilst he did during the other 2 (like Shu). Also if Free was limitless I do not think he would have strained his arm when Raul said he passed his limit ?.

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Free did not go beyond his limit ,he is limit less
And how can forget that lui was dominating for most part of their fight, and shu onky hot upperhand in the end
While in his right with free, free was dominating most of his fight

Lui only had the upper hand during the round where he bursted Spriggan but the thing is that Spriggan was not in the suited mode for fighting being in Stamina mode. Pretty much all of Shu’s opponents in god/evolution go that way unless Shu beats them right away which he did not do too much. During his match with Lui, Free did not have the upper hand in his first round whilst he did during the other 2 (like Shu). Also if Free was limitless I do not think he would have strained his arm when Raul said he passed his limit ?.

Yeah ,but 
I don't know 
Free is stronger

Well, I think Shu just has more to work this with have 6 different mods, will Free had to work with what he had at the moment being Drain Spin and Nothing Break/Breaker

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Well, I think Shu just has more to work this with have 6 different mods,  will Free had to work with what he had at the moment being Drain Spin and Nothing Break/Breaker

Fair enough, but having a balance type driver with pretty generic driver tips would mean it was mostly his Shu’s own power and of course performance tip advantages. Let’s not forget that Shu was considered to be a genius in the anime (probably why they gave him a balance type) so using the versatility of his mediocre driver correctly could get him the advantage and there is a chance he could select the wrong mode (which he did do in the anime causing his opponents to score points on him) and after losing a point he could evaluate and select a better mode/strategy to use. although Free did not have 6 modes, his performance tip was devoted to a specific cause making it just as good as zeta in that sense. It’s like having 3 men who are neutral at solving riddles go up against someone pretty good at solving riddles, it a sense that it can go either way. Basically what I am trying to say is that having multiple modes on a driver of no specialty (other than having those modes of course) alongside the fact that you can happen to choose an unsuitable mode kind of puts gives Shu a disadvantage too (Although since the Spriggan Requiem later was superior having rubber and dual spin it was somewhat unfair for others) He would have to be smart and good at observing not to mention that he would need to have good strategies to pick the right mode and use it effectively, intellect and observation are definitely needed to be a good Blader Shu has these amongst many other good beyblading skills which make me believe Shu is better than Free.

WOW that felt too in depth.

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Not bad eh?

Free's battle record - 27 wins out of 31 matches
Shu's battle record - 36 wins out of 43 matches
Lui's battle record - 21 wins out of 24 matches
Valt's battle record - 63 wins out of 108 matches

Free 's win percentage - 87%
Shu 's win percentage - 83%
Lui's win percentage - 87.5%
Valt's win percentage - 58%

Ranks according to technicality (not Anime wise because how can a blader fall so much in 2 years he instead has to improve
1) Lui
2) Free
3) Shu
4) Valt

Anime wise
1) Valt
2) Shu
3) Free
4) Lui

Anime Plot sucks !! I wanted Free and Lui to be on top atleast they are on top of technicality wise list.

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Source : Fandom

Free's battle record - 27 wins out of 31 matches
Shu's battle record - 36 wins out of 43 matches
Lui's battle record - 21 wins out of 24 matches
Valt's battle record - 63 wins out of 108 matches

Free 's win percentage - 87%
Shu 's win percentage - 83%
Lui's win percentage - 87.5%
Valt's win percentage - 58%

Ranks according to technicality (not Anime wise because how can a blader fall so much in 2 years he instead has to improve
1) Lui
2) Free
3) Shu
4) Valt

Anime wise
1) Valt
2) Shu
3) Free
4) Lui

Anime Plot sucks !! I wanted Free and Lui to be on top atleast they are on top of technicality wise list.

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Source : Fandom

Thank you for making this post it is actually pretty interesting. To be honest I do not want characters like Lui and Free at the top just because the owners of reverse rotation beys tend to be overrated especially if they are the boss of an anime arc.

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Not bad eh?

Free's battle record - 27 wins out of 31 matches
Shu's battle record - 36 wins out of 43 matches
Lui's battle record - 21 wins out of 24 matches
Valt's battle record - 63 wins out of 108 matches

Free 's win percentage - 87%
Shu 's win percentage - 83%
Lui's win percentage - 87.5%
Valt's win percentage - 58%

Ranks according to technicality (not Anime wise because how can a blader fall so much in 2 years he instead has to improve
1) Lui
2) Free
3) Shu
4) Valt

Anime wise
1) Valt
2) Shu
3) Free
4) Lui

Anime Plot sucks !! I wanted Free and Lui to be on top atleast they are on top of technicality wise list.

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Source : Fandom

Thank you for making this post it is actually pretty interesting. To be honest I do not want characters like Lui and Free at the top just because the owners of reverse rotation beys tend to be overrated especially if they are the boss of an anime arc.

Good one

I feel like choz full on dropped lui completely from the anime after ep 15. No one knows what happened to him. I feel disappointed on how tt treated past recurring characters and made weak. What was the point of s1 and 2. All the character development for some characters are gone and the characters feel like they forgot what they did to beat their opponent. E. G lui was top of Japan 6times he won a winning streak and in choz he was Meh and got defeated my Aiga

Overhyped characters, indeed, shouldnt be at the top. Theyre so overhyped and used as overpowered bosses

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I like how Valt lost to Shu and Lui in the finals and didn't win because of hE bElIeVeD iN hIs bEy like in MFB, I found Valt annoying in s1 but in s2 I started to like him,

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I like how Valt lost to Shu and Lui in the finals and didn't win because of hE bElIeVeD iN hIs bEy like in MFB, I found Valt annoying in s1 but in s2 I started to like him

At the end of season one, valt was actually stronger than Shu and even lui

I like how Valt lost to Shu and Lui in the finals and didn't win because of hE bElIeVeD iN hIs bEy like in MFB, I found Valt annoying in s1 but in s2 I started to like him

At the end of season one, valt was actually stronger than Shu and even lui

He was stronger than Shu but not Lui as later he in God he lost to Lui, he was stronger than Lui in season 1 then he could easily beat Lui in season 2 but he couldn't. That is why this proves that Lui was better than Valt in Season 1 and 2. Lui is the most skilled blader and he is also the best (not Turbo)

At the end of season one, valt was actually stronger than Shu and even lui

He was stronger than Shu but not Lui as later he in God he lost to Lui, he was stronger than Lui in season 1 then he could easily beat Lui in season 2 but he couldn't. That is why this proves that Lui was better than Valt in Season 1 and 2. Lui is the most skilled blader and he is also the best (not Turbo)

But at the end of their match ,valkriye was very fast and had more spin than Longinus ,but it bursted because of an accident
And the power levels don't stay same ,lui got stronger by alot in season 2 ,while valt only started get more stronger at the near end of season 2

He was stronger than Shu but not Lui as later he in God he lost to Lui, he was stronger than Lui in season 1 then he could easily beat Lui in season 2 but he couldn't. That is why this proves that Lui was better than Valt in Season 1 and 2. Lui is the most skilled blader and he is also the best (not Turbo)

But at the end of their match ,valkriye was very fast and had more spin than Longinus ,but it bursted because of an accident
And the power levels don't stay same ,lui got stronger by alot in season 2 ,while valt only started get more stronger at the near end of season 2

I agree that at the and of s1 Valt was definitely better then Lui but there are a number reasons why that is the way it is. Firstly of course the plot would arguably suck if Valt beat everyone on his first try and they kind of had to make Lui overpowered if they were to bring him back so late in the series. Although I will point out that beyblade burst evolution/god arguably had the most unorganized battle records/plot, which ended up making characters like Wakiya lose all but one battle whilst making Daigo pretty good and then we had Xhaka lose his second battle and end up beating both Joshua and Ruwenzori during go Blader cup. And by the way, Ruwei was supposedly part of the “ big five” but only won two of his battle in the entire season his first one was a 3 on 1 with Cuza, Rantaro and Valt all who were mediocre aside from Valt, who lost due to anime plot of course and then he beat Cuza who is pretty much the second worst Blader in the season. Basically what I am trying to say is that although Valt was better then Lui by the end of s1 the plot needed Valt to be reset to a weak character by having him lose to a bunch of characters so they could promote sales of other beys. But I will hand it to you that the season was super unorganized and could have organized things better e.g making Valt fight Lui later (there are so many other examples that could be made if they target this season).

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Not bad eh?

Free's battle record - 27 wins out of 31 matches
Shu's battle record - 36 wins out of 43 matches
Lui's battle record - 21 wins out of 24 matches
Valt's battle record - 63 wins out of 108 matches

Free 's win percentage - 87%
Shu 's win percentage - 83%
Lui's win percentage - 87.5%
Valt's win percentage - 58%

Ranks according to technicality (not Anime wise because how can a blader fall so much in 2 years he instead has to improve
1) Lui
2) Free
3) Shu
4) Valt

Anime wise
1) Valt
2) Shu
3) Free
4) Lui

Anime Plot sucks !! I wanted Free and Lui to be on top atleast they are on top of technicality wise list.

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Source : Fandom

Thank you for making this post it is actually pretty interesting. To be honest I do not want characters like Lui and Free at the top just because the owners of reverse rotation beys tend to be overrated especially if they are the boss of an anime arc.

Shu is actually more overrated than them 
Shu needs to be somewhere below ken at least

To be fair, we all know Valt could've beat Lui had it not been for that crack they accidentally made from the High Jump Shoot.

Thank you for making this post it is actually pretty interesting. To be honest I do not want characters like Lui and Free at the top just because the owners of reverse rotation beys tend to be overrated especially if they are the boss of an anime arc.

Shu is actually more overrated than them 
Shu needs to be somewhere below ken at least

Shu was the secondary protagonist in s1 and main antagonist in evolution so he kinda does deserve the attention especially since he is a pretty good character with an existing personality. And to be honest although you did not mention it, people still loved Shu from before he got a dual spin bey so I think its pretty even.

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Not bad eh?

Shu is actually more overrated than them 
Shu needs to be somewhere below ken at least

Shu was the secondary protagonist in s1 and main antagonist in evolution so he kinda does deserve the attention especially since he is a pretty good character with an existing personality. And to be honest although you did not mention it, people still loved Shu from before he got a dual spin bey so I think its pretty even.

I don't think he care,  his hated for shu fans is big so he wont give shu the credit that the character actually deserves, which is why for me the shu crazy fan base isn't that different from the anti shu fan base , one is to defensive while the other will downplay the character. it's like the escanor and meliodas fans their bias. they can't be neutral and just see how the characters are despite the anime showcase it. their excuse is always the word overhyped or overrated it happened with kai or ryuga and it will happen with a new character put in the same place. it will always happen

Shu was the secondary protagonist in s1 and main antagonist in evolution so he kinda does deserve the attention especially since he is a pretty good character with an existing personality. And to be honest although you did not mention it, people still loved Shu from before he got a dual spin bey so I think its pretty even.

I don't think he care,  his hated for shu fans is big so he wont give shu the credit that the character actually deserves, which is why for me the shu crazy fan base isn't that different from the anti shu fan base , one is to defensive while the other will downplay the character. it's like the escanor and meliodas fans their bias. they can't be neutral and just see how the characters are despite the anime showcase it. their excuse is always the word overhyped or overrated it happened with kai or ryuga and it will happen with a new character put in the same place. it will always happen

I personally like Shu as a character but if he/she prefers other characters and dislikes Shu (not sure if he/she does) it is fine, it like when I said that Lui and Free were overrated for having reverse rotation beys earlier in the thread, it’s all just opinion. They do not have to agree with me not do I have to agree with them so long as it is not a fact e.g the earth is not flat (please do not shame me for that fact?).

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I don't think he care,  his hated for shu fans is big so he wont give shu the credit that the character actually deserves, which is why for me the shu crazy fan base isn't that different from the anti shu fan base , one is to defensive while the other will downplay the character. it's like the escanor and meliodas fans their bias. they can't be neutral and just see how the characters are despite the anime showcase it. their excuse is always the word overhyped or overrated it happened with kai or ryuga and it will happen with a new character put in the same place. it will always happen

I agree, but being a fan of a good character like Shu is not too bad (or maybe it is I have no idea, my opinion could be totally wrong). Kia and Ryuga were just power houses with little to no persona and they were kinda jerks.

Same I don't see a problem with someone being a shu specially when his built to just as good as characters like free or lui these are basically the strongest burst has to offer , for example my favorite is lui but I know where a character his either one equal to him or stronger than him , I always said despite the fact that shu never got a title which he should've had he has probably the character development in burst I . The character lives up to the hype the normal fans are neutral give him even the show proves you that I personally never liked shu from s1 but he became interesting in s2 through the bit we say in s3 but I always give him the credit he has built and how strong and talented he actually is. So I don't see the problem if you have a problem with the crazy fan type just ignore it Simple solution. Your not wrong about the reverse rotating bey that much ever since ryuga came with a reverse rotating dragon bey lots of people like it, Tyson had a reverse rotating dragon bey but not many people cared that much alright he was a cool main character . But everyone has their tasted it's been always like that and always will be

I agree, but being a fan of a good character like Shu is not too bad (or maybe it is I have no idea, my opinion could be totally wrong). Kia and Ryuga were just power houses with little to no persona and they were kinda jerks.

Same I don't see a problem with someone being a shu specially when his built to just as good as characters like free or lui these are basically the strongest burst has to offer , for example my favorite is lui but I know where a character his either one equal to him or stronger than him , I always said despite the fact that shu never got a title which he should've had he has probably the character development in burst I . The character lives up to the hype the normal fans are neutral give him even the show proves you that I personally never liked shu from s1 but he became interesting in s2 through the bit we say in s3 but I always give him the credit he has built and how strong and talented he actually is. So I don't see the problem if you have a problem with the crazy fan type just ignore it Simple solution. Your not wrong about the reverse rotating bey that much ever since ryuga came with a reverse rotating dragon bey lots of people like it, Tyson had a reverse rotating dragon bey but not many people cared that much alright he was a cool main character . But everyone has their tasted it's been always like that and always will be

Well, one problem I have with Shu is some of his fan base. I've talked with a couple of shu fans on other site and they are always toxic if you say anything bad about Shu or when he was Red Eye. and then there's the whole Shu X Valt thing which I would like to personally like to keep out the lovey-dovey stuff out of Beyblade. But I also didn't like shu is season 1 but when the whole Red Eye thing happened it was cool. But I think shu is overrated I'm not an anti-Shu fan nor am I a Shu fan, I just liked when he was Red Eye/Spriggan

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Every place feels mysterious, yet is somehow the same. Every time I wake up I shiver with fear for what new nightmare awaits. Each departure from the campfire is into confusion. Slowly I learn the different places, recognising features and buildings but I never really understand the pattern. As if some powerful force is shuffling the world as if we were a deck of cards. Maybe we are just pawns on a scrabble board?

Same I don't see a problem with someone being a shu specially when his built to just as good as characters like free or lui these are basically the strongest burst has to offer , for example my favorite is lui but I know where a character his either one equal to him or stronger than him , I always said despite the fact that shu never got a title which he should've had he has probably the character development in burst I . The character lives up to the hype the normal fans are neutral give him even the show proves you that I personally never liked shu from s1 but he became interesting in s2 through the bit we say in s3 but I always give him the credit he has built and how strong and talented he actually is. So I don't see the problem if you have a problem with the crazy fan type just ignore it Simple solution. Your not wrong about the reverse rotating bey that much ever since ryuga came with a reverse rotating dragon bey lots of people like it, Tyson had a reverse rotating dragon bey but not many people cared that much alright he was a cool main character . But everyone has their tasted it's been always like that and always will be

Well, one problem I have with Shu is some of his fan base. I've talked with a couple of shu fans on other site and they are always toxic if you say anything bad about Shu or when he was Red Eye. and then there's the whole Shu X Valt thing which I would like to personally like to keep out the lovey-dovey stuff out of Beyblade. But I also didn't like shu is season 1 but when the whole Red Eye thing happened it was cool. But I think shu is overrated I'm not an anti-Shu fan nor am I a Shu fan, I just liked when he was Red Eye/Spriggan

But you don't downplay him which makes a good neutral fan you give him.