not being able to defeated certain bladers and still be strongest is not unfair at all it's just how it works.  Serena Williams is still consider the stronger tennis woman compares to Naomi Osaka despite having lost to her twice back to back media and most people still says that Serena still stronger.  being the strongest doesn't equal can't lose . plus aiga like beat valt what 2 years ago? . and about the lane situation we need to look it 2 ways valt never lost to lane in the manga he never even had the chance.  now the question is could he beat valt an the manga? well his at risk to lose to valt cause not only lane lost to hyuga but also shu an a rematch which lane ask for it, considering that shu is scale to valt (with valt being stronger ) the result is their . as for the anime the over exaggerated with lane a bit to much but still took an L vs valt whether rantaro sacrifice himself it's not like lane couldn't survive this is the same guy that took on 4 bladers at once he simply got outsmarted & overpowered momentarily it's just that simple.  like said once fans are just not happy that their own characters is not the #1 it's just a matter of it's not an their liking what the author choose & unlike us the actually know where their strength is cause well they created them it's just that simple. that was long lol

Yeah. But isn't Shu just made test. And I wondering what rank is Shu, because even if Shu defeated Lean in boring battle, he still number 3 while Lean is number 2. And yeah no one not unbeatable

Shu's back to being ranked 2nd.

---

I’m assuming the battle takes place in the standard stadium 

Free (Turbo) vs Hyde

Hyde lost to Phi 4-2 whilst Free lost to Phi 3-1, although, Phi could have  finished him off easier. Even still, Dead Phoenix is much stronger than Revive Phoenix so I would say that Free wins in an extremely close battle.

Lui (Turbo) vs Xavier

Xavier beat a better, more experienced Aiga pretty easily whilst Aiga beat Lui in their final battle. Also, Xavier was a member of the z4, a group of rising top level bladers of the next gen at that time. I love Lui as a character but setting my bias aside, Xavier would win in a decent battle

You know what, I wanted to quote this here just to address how crazy it is that people actually think s3 Lui would beat Xavier. Just to be clear, I’m not calling YOU crazy but I’m surprised that people actually think Lui is better than the z4 and such 😅

Well the Big 5 supersede the Turbo 4. Lui's still a member of the Big 5 in Turbo.

Yeah. But isn't Shu just made test. And I wondering what rank is Shu, because even if Shu defeated Lean in boring battle, he still number 3 while Lean is number 2. And yeah no one not unbeatable

Shu's back to being ranked 2nd.

---

You know what, I wanted to quote this here just to address how crazy it is that people actually think s3 Lui would beat Xavier. Just to be clear, I’m not calling YOU crazy but I’m surprised that people actually think Lui is better than the z4 and such 😅

Well the Big 5 supersede the Turbo 4. Lui's still a member of the Big 5 in Turbo.

Silas was also still a member of the big 5, and Kurt was confirmed to be ranked 6 but neither of them would beat people like Xavier and Phi at all. The main reason why the big 5 sepersedes the z4 is because they have been blading longer, the z4 are up and coming bladers. Lui didn’t do anything special, at least nothing worth putting him above Xavier. Yes, he tied with Valt but that was mainly because it was his introduction battle. Aiga beat Lui at the end of the Luinor cup but still wasn’t at Valt level evident by the fact that he was losing to people who weren’t as powerful as Valt.

---

Not bad eh?

as I remeber the top 3 is Valt ranked 1 Shu ranked 2 aiger ranked 3

---

The One Piece is the friends we made a long the way.

as I remeber the top 3 is Valt ranked 1 Shu ranked 2 aiger ranked 3

After the end of Sparking (the manga, mind you), I wouldn't be surprised if Aiga's not 3rd anymore.

---

I'll definitely put something here soon.
Probably.
Maybe?
Naaaaah.

Shu's back to being ranked 2nd.

---

Well the Big 5 supersede the Turbo 4. Lui's still a member of the Big 5 in Turbo.

So is Silas, and Kurt was confirmed to be ranked 6 but neither of them would beat people like Xavier at all. The main reason why the big 5 sepersedes the z4 is because they have been blading longer, the z4 are up and coming bladers. Lui didn’t do anything that puts him above Xavier in that season. Yes, he tied with Valt but that was mainly because it was his introduction battle. Aiga beat Lui at the end of the Luinor cup but still wasn’t at Valt level.

I'm not really trying to argue for one side or the other. The Big 5 are the top 5 bladers in the entire world. So being a Turbo Four member doesn't put you above a member of the Big 5. I'm acutally not throwing my hat into the ring on either side I'm just pointing out that being a member of the Turbo 4 isn't what would make Xavier stronger than Lui or not given that being a Turbo Four member isn't as impressive as being one of the Big 5.

So is Silas, and Kurt was confirmed to be ranked 6 but neither of them would beat people like Xavier at all. The main reason why the big 5 sepersedes the z4 is because they have been blading longer, the z4 are up and coming bladers. Lui didn’t do anything that puts him above Xavier in that season. Yes, he tied with Valt but that was mainly because it was his introduction battle. Aiga beat Lui at the end of the Luinor cup but still wasn’t at Valt level.

I'm not really trying to argue for one side or the other. The Big 5 are the top 5 bladers in the entire world. So being a Turbo Four member doesn't put you above a member of the Big 5. I'm acutally not throwing my hat into the ring on either side I'm just pointing out that being a member of the Turbo 4isn't what would make Xavier stronger than Lui or not.

Ahh ok, that does make sense. But please admiral, don’t tell me you believe Lui would beat Xavier you’re the rational one 😭 If you had to weigh in on one side, I’m sure you would choose the right one.

---

Not bad eh?

Good Point I don't even know if Aiger is still the world champion becuase ever since Aurthor broke the belt we have never heard of a world champion since

---

The One Piece is the friends we made a long the way.

I'm not really trying to argue for one side or the other. The Big 5 are the top 5 bladers in the entire world. So being a Turbo Four member doesn't put you above a member of the Big 5. I'm acutally not throwing my hat into the ring on either side I'm just pointing out that being a member of the Turbo 4isn't what would make Xavier stronger than Lui or not.

Ahh ok, that does make sense. But please admiral, don’t tell me you believe Lui would beat Xavier you’re the rational one 😭 if you had to weigh in on one side, I’m sure you would choose the right one.

The power scaling in Turbo is all over the place to begin with which is why I don't even comment on it much. So much stuff doesn't make sense and is out of wack that I don't even bother with it for the most part.

Who's xavier again?

---

:/

Who's xavier again?

The Buster Xcalibur guy.

---

Not bad eh?

Who's xavier again?

This guy

Shu's back to being ranked 2nd.

---

Well the Big 5 supersede the Turbo 4. Lui's still a member of the Big 5 in Turbo.

Silas was also still a member of the big 5, and Kurt was confirmed to be ranked 6 but neither of them would beat people like Xavier and Phi at all. The main reason why the big 5 sepersedes the z4 is because they have been blading longer, the z4 are up and coming bladers. Lui didn’t do anything special, at least nothing worth putting him above Xavier. Yes, he tied with Valt but that was mainly because it was his introduction battle. Aiga beat Lui at the end of the Luinor cup but still wasn’t at Valt level evident by the fact that he was losing to people who weren’t as powerful as Valt.

theirs one thing  I need to remind people lui always had been scale to free .  and we can't keep using the card they only reason this character was able to go toe to toe with a character is just cause of debut it's not like lui isn't strong to do what he did an that match he was simply that strong the guy spent 2 years training to fight valt so it's not impossible at all for lui to draw with valt. plus let's be honest the aiga vs lui was really more like aiga got a lucky lui was pressuring aiga during all that match if it wasn't for that miracle bs phi pull to somehow completely heal aiga he would've end up losing.  quite frankly they only z4 that was strong were phi & hearts the rest was just their.  but it's better not to scale lui cause the poorly & clearly written bad

Yeah. But isn't Shu just made test. And I wondering what rank is Shu, because even if Shu defeated Lean in boring battle, he still number 3 while Lean is number 2. And yeah no one not unbeatable

it was a test but lane was connecting to shu another word you could say it was their proper match.  as for the ranks who knows we'll have to wait an see if the touch on it

Yeah. You are right.

---

Yeah. But isn't Shu just made test. And I wondering what rank is Shu, because even if Shu defeated Lean in boring battle, he still number 3 while Lean is number 2. And yeah no one not unbeatable

Shu's back to being ranked 2nd.

---

You know what, I wanted to quote this here just to address how crazy it is that people actually think s3 Lui would beat Xavier. Just to be clear, I’m not calling YOU crazy but I’m surprised that people actually think Lui is better than the z4 and such 😅

Well the Big 5 supersede the Turbo 4. Lui's still a member of the Big 5 in Turbo.

It was just a test. He couldn't become again number 2 no Wbba cameras

---

as I remeber the top 3 is Valt ranked 1 Shu ranked 2 aiger ranked 3

After the end of Sparking (the manga, mind you), I wouldn't be surprised if Aiga's not 3rd anymore.

Yeah. He is rank 4 in the end of Sparking manga

---

Good Point I don't even know if Aiger is still the world champion becuase ever since Aurthor broke the belt we have never heard of a world champion since

He is still champion,  but it doesn't matter now

Silas was also still a member of the big 5, and Kurt was confirmed to be ranked 6 but neither of them would beat people like Xavier and Phi at all. The main reason why the big 5 sepersedes the z4 is because they have been blading longer, the z4 are up and coming bladers. Lui didn’t do anything special, at least nothing worth putting him above Xavier. Yes, he tied with Valt but that was mainly because it was his introduction battle. Aiga beat Lui at the end of the Luinor cup but still wasn’t at Valt level evident by the fact that he was losing to people who weren’t as powerful as Valt.

theirs one thing  I need to remind people lui always had been scale to free .  and we can't keep using the card they only reason this character was able to go toe to toe with a character is just cause of debut it's not like lui isn't strong to do what he did an that match he was simply that strong the guy spent 2 years training to fight valt so it's not impossible at all for lui to draw with valt. plus let's be honest the aiga vs lui was really more like aiga got a lucky lui was pressuring aiga during all that match if it wasn't for that miracle bs phi pull to somehow completely heal aiga he would've end up losing.  quite frankly they only z4 that was strong were phi & hearts the rest was just their.  but it's better not to scale lui cause the poorly & clearly written bad

Aiga beat Lui in ep 15 before losing to Phi, Laban and Xavier in ep 15-17 almost instantly afterward with the same resonance Phi gave him. Lui didn’t really have anything remarkable going on and he only tied with Valt because it was an introductory match and the writers couldn’t have either of them lose. If Lui was really equal to Valt then Aiga should be able to beat anyone on the battleship cruise seeing as they were weaker than Valt, but he couldn’t. The writing was pretty bad but based on the evidence we have, the z4 is undoubted out better than Lui. Even if Lui did end up beating Aiga, it still wouldn’t have been an easy match for him. Xavier and Laban beat him within seconds without trouble.

Phi did heal Aiga, but that was mostly a matter of physical strength and not blading spirit or skill.

---

Not bad eh?

Silas was also still a member of the big 5, and Kurt was confirmed to be ranked 6 but neither of them would beat people like Xavier and Phi at all. The main reason why the big 5 sepersedes the z4 is because they have been blading longer, the z4 are up and coming bladers. Lui didn’t do anything special, at least nothing worth putting him above Xavier. Yes, he tied with Valt but that was mainly because it was his introduction battle. Aiga beat Lui at the end of the Luinor cup but still wasn’t at Valt level evident by the fact that he was losing to people who weren’t as powerful as Valt.

theirs one thing  I need to remind people lui always had been scale to free .  and we can't keep using the card they only reason this character was able to go toe to toe with a character is just cause of debut it's not like lui isn't strong to do what he did an that match he was simply that strong the guy spent 2 years training to fight valt so it's not impossible at all for lui to draw with valt. plus let's be honest the aiga vs lui was really more like aiga got a lucky lui was pressuring aiga during all that match if it wasn't for that miracle bs phi pull to somehow completely heal aiga he would've end up losing.  quite frankly they only z4 that was strong were phi & hearts the rest was just their.  but it's better not to scale lui cause the poorly & clearly written bad

IMO Aiga wasn't lucky. He just use strategy against Lui. About Phi...... He said to talk to Achilles. Propably Achilles and Aiga synchronize in that battle so Aiga awaken his real power and didn't get tired. After before battling with Free, Aiga got virus from Phi, when Phi saw Achilles. Technically there was bond between Aiga, Heart and Phi. After Aiga got his dark power, and the reason why he awaken it was that he scared Phi. In first Royal battle, Phi Awaken his dark power and burst a lot of Choz beys, Aiga copy it, because he scared that this power could destroy Aiga, so he technically tried to awaken it. Free did it, because Free saw some little energy of dark power in Aiga, so he could destroy Z Achilles. Also in Sparking he could destroy Super Hyperion, because Hyuga was connected to Lean

---

theirs one thing  I need to remind people lui always had been scale to free .  and we can't keep using the card they only reason this character was able to go toe to toe with a character is just cause of debut it's not like lui isn't strong to do what he did an that match he was simply that strong the guy spent 2 years training to fight valt so it's not impossible at all for lui to draw with valt. plus let's be honest the aiga vs lui was really more like aiga got a lucky lui was pressuring aiga during all that match if it wasn't for that miracle bs phi pull to somehow completely heal aiga he would've end up losing.  quite frankly they only z4 that was strong were phi & hearts the rest was just their.  but it's better not to scale lui cause the poorly & clearly written bad

Aiga beat Lui in ep 15 before losing to Phi, Laban and Xavier in ep 15-17 almost instantly afterward with the same resonance Phi gave him. Lui didn’t really have anything remarkable going on and he only tied with Valt because it was an introductory match and the writers couldn’t have either of them lose. If Lui was really equal to Valt then Aiga should be able to beat anyone on the battleship cruise seeing as they were weaker than Valt, but he couldn’t. The writing was pretty bad but based on the evidence we have, the z4 is undoubted out better than Lui. Even if Lui did end up beating Aiga, it still wouldn’t have been an easy match for him. Xavier and Laban beat him within seconds without trouble.

Also in the beginning of Choz, both Valt and Lui were trying to mastered their Choz Beys. But Lui bad mastered it

And this is what I mean lol. Turbo was so disjointed and the power scaling was all over the place.

And this is what I mean lol. Turbo was so disjointed and the power scaling was all over the place.

I guess so. Still fun to debate though.

---

Not bad eh?

And this is what I mean lol. Turbo was so disjointed and the power scaling was all over the place.

I guess so. Still fun to debate though.

For sure. I'm just saying it's hard to scale and place people because of how they went about things.

---

Good Point I don't even know if Aiger is still the world champion becuase ever since Aurthor broke the belt we have never heard of a world champion since

He's World Champion, but he's not the Number 1 Blader in the World, Valt is. The Champion title is just a title now. Meaningless.

I guess so. Still fun to debate though.

For sure. I'm just saying it's hard to scale and place people because of how they went about things.

---

Good Point I don't even know if Aiger is still the world champion becuase ever since Aurthor broke the belt we have never heard of a world champion since

He's World Champion, but he's not the Number 1 Blader in the World, Valt is. The Champion title is just a title now. Meaningless.

To be honest Lui would better be on place of Ranjiro

theirs one thing  I need to remind people lui always had been scale to free .  and we can't keep using the card they only reason this character was able to go toe to toe with a character is just cause of debut it's not like lui isn't strong to do what he did an that match he was simply that strong the guy spent 2 years training to fight valt so it's not impossible at all for lui to draw with valt. plus let's be honest the aiga vs lui was really more like aiga got a lucky lui was pressuring aiga during all that match if it wasn't for that miracle bs phi pull to somehow completely heal aiga he would've end up losing.  quite frankly they only z4 that was strong were phi & hearts the rest was just their.  but it's better not to scale lui cause the poorly & clearly written bad

Aiga beat Lui in ep 15 before losing to Phi, Laban and Xavier in ep 15-17 almost instantly afterward with the same resonance Phi gave him. Lui didn’t really have anything remarkable going on and he only tied with Valt because it was an introductory match and the writers couldn’t have either of them lose. If Lui was really equal to Valt then Aiga should be able to beat anyone on the battleship cruise seeing as they were weaker than Valt, but he couldn’t. The writing was pretty bad but based on the evidence we have, the z4 is undoubted out better than Lui. Even if Lui did end up beating Aiga, it still wouldn’t have been an easy match for him. Xavier and Laban beat him within seconds without trouble.

Phi did heal Aiga, but that was mostly a matter of physical strength and not blading spirit or skill.

Never said lui was equal to valt of course valt is better the draw os cause longinus is a monster an has higher And more destructive power than any bey but my point is its Not strange for lui to able to draw against valt & we should stop using the term oh lui only did that cause longinus got introduced thing all time, but we ignore that lui was always strong & spends training so its not imposible or strange. I'm going to show how this debut thing is not something to use everytime as you mentien aiga lost to laban, xhan And phi right after ok good point,  so I can played the introduced card as well since that was phi first match & when xhan was introduced it was the same he beat houi, laban And of course aiga,  laban is an same position they all had similar adventage which is thats their debut. About the phi healing yea he didnt boost his skill(which I never said he did or beyblading spirit) but as you mentioned his physical strenght which still plays in the factor or going to ignore after phi did that aiga start having those dark power boost ir started their Just a little. but like I said lui can't scale simple cause his badly written despite the z4 is supposed to rival the big 5 only one actually rival them complely or stronger which is phi . hearts is more the equal one but even them 2 out of the big 5 are made to be trash aka lui & sisco simple gog shaft while 3 or clearly better than 3 out of the 4 of the z (aside from hearts who can battle them) .the z4 being good is really cause of how much of a monster phi is

Valt is better than lui that is a given in my opinion

---

The One Piece is the friends we made a long the way.

Aiga beat Lui in ep 15 before losing to Phi, Laban and Xavier in ep 15-17 almost instantly afterward with the same resonance Phi gave him. Lui didn’t really have anything remarkable going on and he only tied with Valt because it was an introductory match and the writers couldn’t have either of them lose. If Lui was really equal to Valt then Aiga should be able to beat anyone on the battleship cruise seeing as they were weaker than Valt, but he couldn’t. The writing was pretty bad but based on the evidence we have, the z4 is undoubted out better than Lui. Even if Lui did end up beating Aiga, it still wouldn’t have been an easy match for him. Xavier and Laban beat him within seconds without trouble.

Phi did heal Aiga, but that was mostly a matter of physical strength and not blading spirit or skill.

Never said lui was equal to valt of course valt is better the draw os cause longinus is a monster an has higher And more destructive power than any bey but my point is its Not strange for lui to able to draw against valt & we should stop using the term oh lui only did that cause longinus got introduced thing all time, but we ignore that lui was always strong & spends training so its not imposible or strange. I'm going to show how this debut thing is not something to use everytime as you mentien aiga lost to laban, xhan And phi right after ok good point,  so I can played the introduced card as well since that was phi first match & when xhan was introduced it was the same he beat houi, laban And of course aiga,  laban is an same position they all had similar adventage which is thats their debut. About the phi healing yea he didnt boost his skill(which I never said he did or beyblading spirit) but as you mentioned his physical strenght which still plays in the factor or going to ignore after phi did that aiga start having those dark power boost ir started their Just a little.

An introductory match is different from an introductory episode. Xhan’s introductory opponent was Houi, not Aiga. Yes, Phi and Laban beat Aiga in the introductory match you are right about that one, but post Luinor cup Aiga would be equal to, or stronger than he was during the cup since he finally had complete resonance. Introductory battle or not, they beat the better Aiga with ease and no other plot related reason. Phi was also miles above Lui anyway. Laban beat Fubuki (battleship cruise) and Xhan within 34 seconds with no difficulty which is a better feat than Lui beating early season weak level Ranjiro, Fubuki and Aiga within 1:49 all while getting knocked back during the battle. We have to understand that Lui’s introductory match was different as the writers couldn’t have Valt lose either since his defeat was being saved for Aiga, that’s the whole reason why they pitted them against each other, they had that stadium destruction excuse ready. Phi helping Aiga with an injury doesn’t mean much because the injury has nothing to do with how Lui or Aiga perform during the actual battle itself. To explain this better, Aiga injuring himself during a launch does not make Lui a better blader/tougher opponent nor does it make Aiga worse. Even when comparing feats, Lui doesn’t scale up to Xhan and Laban. He beat a noob level Aiga and then he beat the main cast trio (back when they sucked)-based on evidence, there is more in favour of the z4 seeing as they actually beat legitimately threatening opponents. Using the trope of Lui typically being a powerhouse isn’t actual evidence because bladers like Phi and Hyde came out of nowhere and were much better than him without having to be portrayed as strong for multiple seasons, it also isn’t proven based on his performance this season. At the end of the day we also have to acknowledge the fact that Hiro would never have introduced him so early just to lose to some newbie if he really was all that powerful compared to the z4 in the grand scheme of things. The only season to really bypass this exception without a logical reason was Spakring, and that’s because the Sparking cast is all legends.

---

Not bad eh?

Never said lui was equal to valt of course valt is better the draw os cause longinus is a monster an has higher And more destructive power than any bey but my point is its Not strange for lui to able to draw against valt & we should stop using the term oh lui only did that cause longinus got introduced thing all time, but we ignore that lui was always strong & spends training so its not imposible or strange. I'm going to show how this debut thing is not something to use everytime as you mentien aiga lost to laban, xhan And phi right after ok good point,  so I can played the introduced card as well since that was phi first match & when xhan was introduced it was the same he beat houi, laban And of course aiga,  laban is an same position they all had similar adventage which is thats their debut. About the phi healing yea he didnt boost his skill(which I never said he did or beyblading spirit) but as you mentioned his physical strenght which still plays in the factor or going to ignore after phi did that aiga start having those dark power boost ir started their Just a little.

An introductory match is different from an introductory episode. Xhan’s introductory opponent was Houi, not Aiga. Yes, Phi and Laban beat Aiga in the introductory match you are right about that one, but post Luinor cup Aiga would be equal to, or stronger than he was during the cup since he finally had complete resonance. Introductory battle or not, they beat the better Aiga with ease and no other plot related reason. Phi was also miles above Lui anyway. Laban beat Fubuki (battleship cruise) and Xhan within 34 seconds with no difficulty which is a better feat than Lui beating early season weak level Ranjiro, Fubuki and Aiga within 1:49 all while getting knocked back during the battle. We have to understand that Lui’s introductory match was different as the writers couldn’t have Valt lose either since his defeat was being saved for Aiga, that’s the whole reason why they pitted them against each other, they had that stadium destruction excuse ready. Phi helping Aiga with an injury doesn’t mean much because the injury has nothing to do with how Lui or Aiga perform during the actual battle itself. To explain this better, Aiga injuring himself during a launch does not make Lui a better blader/tougher opponent nor does it make Aiga worse. Even when comparing feats, Lui doesn’t scale up to Xhan and Laban. He beat a noob level Aiga and then he beat the main cast trio (back when they sucked)-based on evidence, there is more in favour of the z4 seeing as they actually beat legitimately threatening opponents. Using the trope of Lui typically being a powerhouse isn’t actual evidence because bladers like Phi and Hyde came out of nowhere and were much better than him without having to be portrayed as strong for multiple seasons, it also isn’t proven based on his performance this season. At the end of the day we also have to acknowledge the fact that Hiro would never have introduced him so early just to lose to some newbie if he really was all that powerful compared to the z4 in the grand scheme of things. The only season to really bypass this exception without a logical reason was Spakring, and that’s because the Sparking cast is all legends.

Sorry it took so long to answer was an the Middle of something. Now i don't mind you debating the z4 being stronger my issue is the way your doing it by using the he only draw cause of introductiin battle And not that his actually strong to do it or the fact that the show he was going toe to toe with valt, but when I counter it by saying the same could be applied with phi, laban And xhan (which even though houi was his first challenger to xcalibur true debut he still went on a beat both laban And aiga right after on the same episode that he introduced buster to the main cast to battle from the way i see it still counts as his debut battles since its an the same episode) you justified it by saying aiga was stronger at that time And they beat him faster without any plot reason (lets ignore their beys debut at that time) why is that an exuse to justified them winning their introduction battle even though its their introduction battle it doesnt matter of aiga was stronger or not the still won when its their first debut match (Real debut For buster). How Is saying lui is strong a trope when he is strong if it was phi, Gwyn, sisco, shu, free or anyone Who peform the same way i would've said the same thing. Both phi And hearts isnt that good of an example as well cause when phi first appeared even though it was out of nowhere he was an instant said to be super strong even compared to the champ And hearts as well was said to be very strong before he battle they didnt Just appeared And fight they butter us before they fight to be powerhouse. Having powerhouse coming out of nowhere is not something new at all they can be powerhouse somewhere but simple didnt fight that time thats nothing new. As for the Hiro wouldnt introduce him earlie to make him lose to newbie if he was that strong is the opposite aiga beating lui this early erase the his a newbie but a threat to be taking seriously are we going to ignore that aiga not only became japan but also asian #1? Or the fact that this same newbie was going toe to toe with valt in his first match And before someone goes on an say valt didnt have mastery of Valkyrie aiga was an the Same position they where on equal footing. Aiga went on an train For months than a character being introduced early or later doesnt effect their strenght . Went on an beat fubuki, ranjiro ect Who were all national levels aiga lost that newbie status after he did all that he wasnt a newbie when he battle lui. But at the end my main question why is it that lui's strenght solely based on introduction battle while the rest gets a pass when scaling instead of he was or they where that strong during their match not saying those thing doesnt happen but saying its solely on this downplays the battles . Plot armor wouldve been a better exuse. They scaling shouldn’t have those introduction exuse when comparing overall using the plot armor or a fluke/luck is the ones that should be use . Sorry if this was to long but it got long lol

Hey guys. I propably going to do thing that musn't be allowed there, but my inspiration on the end of Sparking manga ( not epilogue) were cool. Hiro Morita end it goodly. Who want to see it write to me

An introductory match is different from an introductory episode. Xhan’s introductory opponent was Houi, not Aiga. Yes, Phi and Laban beat Aiga in the introductory match you are right about that one, but post Luinor cup Aiga would be equal to, or stronger than he was during the cup since he finally had complete resonance. Introductory battle or not, they beat the better Aiga with ease and no other plot related reason. Phi was also miles above Lui anyway. Laban beat Fubuki (battleship cruise) and Xhan within 34 seconds with no difficulty which is a better feat than Lui beating early season weak level Ranjiro, Fubuki and Aiga within 1:49 all while getting knocked back during the battle. We have to understand that Lui’s introductory match was different as the writers couldn’t have Valt lose either since his defeat was being saved for Aiga, that’s the whole reason why they pitted them against each other, they had that stadium destruction excuse ready. Phi helping Aiga with an injury doesn’t mean much because the injury has nothing to do with how Lui or Aiga perform during the actual battle itself. To explain this better, Aiga injuring himself during a launch does not make Lui a better blader/tougher opponent nor does it make Aiga worse. Even when comparing feats, Lui doesn’t scale up to Xhan and Laban. He beat a noob level Aiga and then he beat the main cast trio (back when they sucked)-based on evidence, there is more in favour of the z4 seeing as they actually beat legitimately threatening opponents. Using the trope of Lui typically being a powerhouse isn’t actual evidence because bladers like Phi and Hyde came out of nowhere and were much better than him without having to be portrayed as strong for multiple seasons, it also isn’t proven based on his performance this season. At the end of the day we also have to acknowledge the fact that Hiro would never have introduced him so early just to lose to some newbie if he really was all that powerful compared to the z4 in the grand scheme of things. The only season to really bypass this exception without a logical reason was Spakring, and that’s because the Sparking cast is all legends.

Sorry it took so long to answer was an the Middle of something. Now i don't mind you debating the z4 being stronger my issue is the way your doing it by using the he only draw cause of introductiin battle And not that his actually strong to do it or the fact that the show he was going toe to toe with valt, but when I counter it by saying the same could be applied with phi, laban And xhan (which even though houi was his first challenger to xcalibur true debut he still went on a beat both laban And aiga right after on the same episode that he introduced buster to the main cast to battle from the way i see it still counts as his debut battles since its an the same episode) you justified it by saying aiga was stronger at that time And they beat him faster without any plot reason (lets ignore their beys debut at that time) why is that an exuse to justified them winning their introduction battle even though its their introduction battle it doesnt matter of aiga was stronger or not the still won when its their first debut match (Real debut For buster). How Is saying lui is strong a trope when he is strong if it was phi, Gwyn, sisco, shu, free or anyone Who peform the same way i would've said the same thing. Both phi And hearts isnt that good of an example as well cause when phi first appeared even though it was out of nowhere he was an instant said to be super strong even compared to the champ And hearts as well was said to be very strong before he battle they didnt Just appeared And fight they butter us before they fight to be powerhouse. Having powerhouse coming out of nowhere is not something new at all they can be powerhouse somewhere but simple didnt fight that time thats nothing new. As for the Hiro wouldnt introduce him earlie to make him lose to newbie if he was that strong is the opposite aiga beating lui this early erase the his a newbie but a threat to be taking seriously are we going to ignore that aiga not only became japan but also asian #1? Or the fact that this same newbie was going toe to toe with valt in his first match And before someone goes on an say valt didnt have mastery of Valkyrie aiga was an the Same position they where on equal footing. Aiga went on an train For months than a character being introduced early or later doesnt effect their strenght . Went on an beat fubuki, ranjiro ect Who were all national levels aiga lost that newbie status after he did all that he wasnt a newbie when he battle lui. But at the end my main question why is it that lui's strenght solely based on introduction battle while the rest gets a pass when scaling instead of he was or they where that strong during their match not saying those thing doesnt happen but saying its solely on this downplays the battles . Plot armor wouldve been a better exuse. They scaling shouldn’t have those introduction exuse when comparing overall using the plot armor or a fluke/luck is the ones that should be use . Sorry if this was to long but it got long lol

Spoiler (Click to View)

I mean, in sparking Aiga lost the battle royale on his blader introduction episode right after he beat Hikaru and Wakiya eventually lost to the twins after they used twin strike on him so an introductory battle and introductory episode should not be counted as the same thing since many characters actually lose during their introductory episodes. The z4 beating Aiga during their introductions is more justified than Lui tieing with Valt simply because they weren’t put in impossible situations. Whether or not Lui could tie with Valt, he definitely shouldn’t have seeing as that set a whole different standard that creates a plot hole. They didn’t pit Lui against Valt because they actually found them to be capable of tieing, they did it because they knew neither could lose. What I’m effectively trying to say is, that particular battle shouldn’t count as evidence in Lui’s favour since it was a gimmick battle for advertising the beys hence, Aiga defeating Lui even though Valt only managed to tie with him (and yet, remained stronger than Aiga and Lui). The z4 on the other hand, or more so Laban has to fight both Suoh and Aiga in a non gimmicky battle and he beat them both on his own. This is done as a show of his power which is why he was pitted in such a way. As for Lui being said to be strong, I don’t think you understand what I was trying to say. First of all, Lui being a consistently powerful character is, in fact an anime trope seeing as his characteristics respond directly to that trope. Second, I was trying to say that “Lui always training to get stronger and getting scaled to Free” is not evidence he is better than the z4, more like opinion or your own statement (even if there is truth in the claim). If we don’t see it in the animation, then there’s nothing to back up that claim. I was using Phi and Hyde as an example to disprove that point as well. Yes they were said to be strong in casual statements by background characters, but they didn’t need to be portrayed as strong in past season or scaled to characters to be better than Lui or anything in that season, instead the proved in through their blading. I’m basically trying to tell you why Lui usually being a strong blader isn’t evidence that he’s better than the z4. Aiga being a natural doesn’t change the fact that Hiro introducing Lui first just to lose and never appear again wouldn’t make sense if he really was better than the z4. Even after the introduction battles, the z4 were still beating people and remained tough but Aiga should have had an easy time if Lui was really all that strong compared to them. Also, you said that I was basing his performance only off of his introduction battle but I wasn’t. I mentioned many times that he also beat newbie level Aiga and the newbie level trio and I even provided evidence as to why Laban was better (when he beat Xhan and Fubuki). Heck, even Xhan beat Aiga in the episode right after his introduction episode. Aiga didn’t even bother training with Lui when trying to master Achilles, but he gladly visited Xhan, Laban and Kitt, and before you mention Free and Valt, they were doing their own thing. Even when Aiga became the Asian champion, he still lost to the z4 members because they were inherently stronger than most people evident by their rising status. The reason why I brought up Lui’s introduction battle was to prove that his tie with Valt isn’t evidence that he is better than the z4

---

Not bad eh?