here http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Stamina-...ight=DF145

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Generally AD145 is better than both and 145 is pretty much equal or only slightly better than DF145 so I think it should be moved down. I know those tests don't show that they're equal but even so both are outclassed by the other tracks in tier 1.

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I can assure you right now that LRF should be at the number 1 spot, along side R2F. For left-spinners that is. (Which apparently is 75% of our attack beys now.)

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-Cough- I think its time you put Basalt into the stamina and defense tier. Actually make it both tier 1. I am, trying to look for the Basalt testing thread to show you proof, seems like I can't fine it >=T

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-Cough- I think its time you put Basalt into the stamina and defense tier. Actually make it both tier 1. I am, trying to look for the Basalt testing thread to show you proof, seems like I can't fine it >=T

i dont think there has been enough testing on it yet

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I'm sorry if I worded that strangely. RS/CS/RSF are great defense bottoms, but only against same spin direction attack types.

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I can tell you that CS does great against Left-spins when in proper condition, but yes, it does do better against right-spinning beys.

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I wouldn't classify Hell BD145[Boost]WD variants as stamina, it has a harder match against Heavy Earth Combos like MF-H Earth Bull R145WD than the conventional EarthWD variants.

As much as I dislike the accuracy solo testing, I guess it's default evidence here:

Standard procedures:

MF-F Hell Bull BD145[Boost]EWD versus Earth Aquario 145WD
8-2 victory for MF-F Hell Bull BD145[Boost]EWD
4x Hell wins via KO
4x Hell wins via OS
2x Earth wins via KO

MF-F Hell Bull BD145[Boost]EWD MF-H Earth Aquario R145WD
6x Hell wins via KO
4x MF-H Earth wins via KO
1x MF-H Earth wins via OS

Do we call a beyblade stamina if it KO's beyblades frequently? I thought stamina was about Outspinning. Anyway my point is that some combos have too many facets to brand as one type.

Errr, why is ES even mentioned in defense? Haven't we determined that it absolutely sucks? If anything, D has better defense.

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I suppose there is a logical reason for it but the list needs to be edited, that is for sure.

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Well, I was told MF Pegasis does wonders when it's paired with a 145 track and a RF or R2F with a Metal Face. I tested it, and I think the Pegasus (Pegasis to prevent fanboy rage) deserves to be in the 1st tier past Grav wheel. It is an amazing attack wheel and shouldn't be underestimated.

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Well, I was told MF Pegasis does wonders when it's paired with a 145 track and a RF or R2F with a Metal Face. I tested it, and I think the Pegasus (Pegasis to prevent fanboy rage) deserves to be in the 1st tier past Grav wheel. It is an amazing attack wheel and shouldn't be underestimated.

Which combos did you test it against? Gravity is up there because it has great smash attack and destroys RS combos.

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well yes pegasis should be below Vulcan and above meteo after all it is top tier.

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Errr, why is ES even mentioned in defense? Haven't we determined that it absolutely sucks? If anything, D has better defense.

Because it has some use in defence which is the whole point in this thread.

Well, I was told MF Pegasis does wonders when it's paired with a 145 track and a RF or R2F with a Metal Face. I tested it, and I think the Pegasus (Pegasis to prevent fanboy rage) deserves to be in the 1st tier past Grav wheel. It is an amazing attack wheel and shouldn't be underestimated.

I know this. Pegasis does very well against WB defence but doesn't do well at all against rubber defence combos which is what we use for defence now so it has lost it's uses.

after all it is top tier.

On a list that needs to be badly updated...

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well its OK against CS but it completely and totally sucks against RS and RSF but as mcfrown said RS and RSF usage will drop due to MF, so i think it needs some more validating testing against CS( IM TALKING ABOUT PEGAsis)

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There's quite a bit of testing on it in the sticky grip thread. Seems to do better on lower heights vs rubber defence bottoms than on 145 like it was traditionally.

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Any chance of RF for Defence?

Ya,
RF has better defense than WD and WB for sure

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Any chance of RF for Defence?

As I already said it's illegal so don't get your hopes up unless it becomes legal.

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Any chance of RF for Defence?

As I already said it's illegal so don't get your hopes up unless it becomes legal.

I'm not disputing it's legality. Prime RF, as many others have said, provides enough friction and movement to absorb collisions effectively.

well yes pegasis should be below Vulcan and above meteo after all it is top tier.

1. that tier list is in need of updating
2. pegasis can only get 0-10% win vs RS
3. meteo can get 70% win vs RS

yep, pegasis should not go over meteo.

pegasis is outdated and only deserves tier 2 at most

UltraBlader: how is a new or prime condition RF in any way illegal for defence? if it is new/prime condition it shouldn't be illegal at all

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I was talking about worn down ones. Which would obviously perform better than new ones.

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Pegasis gets one of the best results against Basalt and Meteo almost never Knocks out an RS but only outspins it.
And we are talking about pure smash,Equalizing doesn't come under it.Then Meteo would be the best wheel as it knocks out WB and Outspind RS/RSF/CS

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Pegasis gets one of the best results against Basalt and Meteo almost never Knocks out an RS but only outspins it.
And we are talking about pure smash,Equalizing doesn't come under it.Then Meteo would be the best wheel as it knocks out WB and Outspind RS/RSF/CS

a combo could have amazing smash (pegasis) but its smash gets nullified by RS making it bad for attack, meteo can still beat RS making it the better choice for attack then pegasis

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But this is smash and Meteo wins by outspin and has almost 0% smash unless it's battling against an another left spin making Pegasis better.

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