Rock Gemios 85CS

And you guys are looking at me, asking: Why the hell Rock Gemios 85CS?
Well, I'm not sure at all. This is my first real testing and I was thinking about a Balance Type Combo. In the end it's more like an idea I want to present, the results are not bad, but... you'll see
The layout is stolen from Wombat's post

Overview:

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Rock was my first choice, maybe not the best and maybe I'll find a better replacement, but for me personally Rock seems to be decent regarding attack & defense.

Gemios is just a clear wheel which is light and avoids covering a lot of the metal wheel.

85, the lowest track to give it some attack height and to destabilize (mid-track defense combos, I'm not sure if destabilizing is the right term, haha).

CS. The main point of the combo. I wanted to use an aggresive CS to get some sort of attack & counter attack, but defense and a little bit of stamina, too.

The reason I didn't include a Metal Face: I don't have a second one unfortunately.

Equipment:

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• BB-10 Attack Type Stadium
  
• Beylauncher R, 3 Segment Grip, Grip Rubber
  
• Beylauncher L, 3 Segment Grip

Part's Condition:

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• CS: good condition
  
• RF: worn down to a very good point
  
• RB: near mint
  
• WD: mint

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Testing:

Attack (Click to View)

Rock Gemios 85CS vs. Dark Knight Girago (Crystal Up) 85RF
Gemios: 6 wins (2 OS, 4 KO)
Girago: 14 wins (all KO)
Gemios win rate: 30%

It did pretty bad against an attack type. Actually it got a few epic saves due to CS, but it does not have enough defense and too much recoil.

I do not have Wyvang, Omega etc., so no more testings here unfortunately.

Defense (Click to View)

Rock Gemios 85CS vs. MF-H Earth Cygnus R145RB
Gemios: 16 wins (all OS)
Cygnus: 4 wins (2 KO, 2 OS)
Gemios win rate: 80%

Not a single KO for Gemios, of course.

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Rock Gemios 85CS vs. Meteo L-Drago 100WD
Gemios: 13 wins (12 KO, 1 OS)
L-Drago: 7 wins (all OS)
Gemios win rate: 65%

Rock Gemios 85CS vs. Earth Cygnus W145WD
Gemios: 13 wins (all KO)
L-Drago: 7 wins (2 KO, 5 OS)
Gemios win rate: 65%

I thought it would do better, but it's pretty hard for Rock to KO Earth.

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Rock Gemios 85CS vs. Burn Cygnus 85MF
Gemios: 10 wins (9 KO, 1 OS)
Girago: 10 wins (4 KO, 6 OS)
Gemios win rate: 50%

A lot of good potential wasted. The harder Burn hit it, the harder it got its payback. But the stamina is horrible, I don't know how it performs with a brand new CS, but I don't think it will survive MF...

Rock Gemios 85CS vs. Burn Cygnus 85MF (straight launch)
Gemios: 8 wins (5 KO, 3 OS)
Girago: 12 wins (6 KO, 6 OS)
Gemios win rate: 40%

Almost every stamina battle was a really close one. I would need some more practice to get a good launch on Rock in this case.

Rock Gemios 85CS vs. Meteo L-Drago F230GCF
Gemios: 16 wins (9 KO, 7 OS)
Girago: 4 wins (all KO)
Gemios win rate: 80%

Hasbro F230 (2-pack version). Nothing more to say here...

It was just an idea, something like an balance / counter attack like beyblade. In the end it performed okay, but nothing someone would use in tournament (besides me maybe...). I'll keep up with the idea of 85CS for some counter attack combos and maybe I can find a good metal wheel.
That's it, I hope it was worth posting, otherwise you can delete it of course
And if you have any suggestion for metal wheels, changes in general of combos for testing, feel free to reply!

Best regards

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Aw, thanks for crediting me with the layout design (not that I would have noticed if you hadn't said anything lol).

It's certainly an interesting combo, though the design and play style seem a lot like MF-H Bakushin Leone 90RSF. You said you used an aggressive CS, so was it always aggressive or were you able to launch it stationary for some matchups?

The one battle I have question about is vs. the Burn Tornado Staller, were both Beyblades moving aggressively around the edge of the Stadium, or if CS was stationary, did you Sliding Shoot or Tornado Stall MF? Basically it would help if you clarified launch technique for each battle.

And don't worry, of course it was worth posting. All legitimate tests and combos should be posted, because even if the matchup doesn't go the way you want or if the combo isn't as effective as some others, it's just as important to know what doesn't work as it is to know what does.

Interesting results, DrigerGatling. Actually, thank you for posting this; it's been a while seen I've seen anything posted in the Limited sub-forum, haha.

I don't see, however, what attributes this would have as a balance setup. Generally, when CS is used for Balance, it's placed with a higher track. It'd be interesting, in my opinion to see this Rock with an RSF or RB - and considerably a change of Clear Wheel, too - for a defense combo, though, seeing as it's pretty similar to Bakushin appearance-wise. Rock really wouldn't have any attack purpose or the upper-hand over top-tier metal wheels. CS can be used for it's aggression, but probably shouldn't be with Rock.

Thanks for the replies

You said you used an aggressive CS, so was it always aggressive or were you able to launch it stationary for some matchups?

Yeah, I was able to do both, most of the time I tried to launch it aggressive, against Earth Cygnus R145RB as well, but in this case a defensive launch would be a lot better as it can't KO RB in anyway, just waisting power...

The one battle I have question about is vs. the Burn Tornado Staller, were both Beyblades moving aggressively around the edge of the Stadium, or if CS was stationary, did you Sliding Shoot or Tornado Stall MF? Basically it would help if you clarified launch technique for each battle.

I used the aggresive launch just a couple of times. When I launched Rock defensive, I always used Sliding Shoot on MF. But I can't tell the outcome for these rounds.
I can redo this battles tomorrow and try both ways

It'd be interesting, in my opinion to see this Rock with an RSF or RB - and considerably a change of Clear Wheel, too - for a defense combo, though, seeing as it's pretty similar to Bakushin appearance-wise. Rock really wouldn't have any attack purpose or the upper-hand over top-tier metal wheels. CS can be used for it's aggression, but probably shouldn't be with Rock.

You're right! I will look for a replacement for Rock on this CS combo, maybe I can try out somthing with Rock 85RB later then

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Interesting combo i might test this out soon if i have the time.

Ooh, a combination thread!

This is really interesting; I'm actually really glad to see someone testing out Rock, since it's generally agreed that it was severely underrated in its day. IIRC th!nk saw some serious potential in it, and he tested Rock MF informally before he left and got some great results, so looking into Rock Balance customs is certainly an important project to undertake.

As for the combo itself, Rock CS is something I've actually been wondering about for a while now, but I figured recoil and Stamina would be a problem (looks like that's the case - although, using Cancer or Cygnus would likely help with that quite a bit).

The results aren't that promising, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't keep looking for something better.

Generally, when CS is used for Balance, it's placed with a higher track.

Forgive me if I'm missing something here, but what CS Balance customs are you referring to? Besides CS Stamina/Defense hybrids, which are essentially just Stamina types that happen to have enough Defense to land them in the Balance section, there aren't any that I'm aware of, and even those are Balance customs of a completely different nature than this one, in the sense that this is an attempt to utilize CS' aggression. I wouldn't say that CS is only applicable on high Tracks.

I also still maintain that there is little data on Rock currently, and that it is generally considered an underrated part, so any testing we have on it would be welcome (especially on Balance setups, which appear to suit it better than anything else).

I do agree that Rock RSF/RB would be cool to look into, though (I personally prefer RSF for that, but that may be because I can't get much aggression out of my RB)

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Forgive me if I'm missing something here, but what CS Balance customs are you referring to? Besides CS Stamina/Defense hybrids, which are essentially just Stamina types that happen to have enough Defense to land them in the Balance section, there aren't any that I'm aware of, and even those are Balance customs of a completely different nature than this one, in the sense that this is an attempt to utilize CS' aggression. I wouldn't say that CS is only applicable on high Tracks.

I was in reference to TH170 and 230 ones, though I do see where you're coming from; I don't even really know why I even posted that even knowing that it was for it's aggression. Sorry about that.

Interesting combo. I'd like to see more stamina results because 65% isn't really enough to warrant a potential top tier combo.

@TheBlackDragon CS is used on E230 combos usually.

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CS is also good on SR200, just an fyi. I belieive it was Duo something SR200CS that was/is/was talked about being top tier.

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I like the use of Rock. I mean, its solo spin-time has always been good, and that (to me) warranted some looking. Of course, the recoil ended up killing its viability in Standard. As soon as I heard about Limited, though, I wondered what could be done with Rock.

I also remember it being a solid Attack option for a little while (never top tier, but somewhat competitive), picking up not too far behind Leone as far as use goes. I feel like its compact size compared to its weight and shape does warrant some form of testing for balance usage.

That said, I doubt it would end up as anything other than an every once in a while combo for funsies, or an above-average/average balance combo at a tournament. It might win you a round or two, but it won't win the whole thing.

Maybe if you used Bakushin instead of Rock it would be a lot better since Bakushin has less recoil and it has a massive slope so it has great defense.