Is WB still top-tier?

Dan · Dec. 17, 2010 2:26 AM

Hmm.. This raises a question of Sonokong CS vs Takara Tomy CS. I have a feeling TT is the more defense-gifted sister of the two.. :Y Try and reduce the rubber coating if you can. (Tilting you launch, making it land on the rubber etc.) I think I'll put the SK vs TT variation in the OP, very interesting, I really appreciate the tests you have conducted pretty vital to the entire CS being a Defense Tip. :U

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Nojo294 · Dec. 17, 2010 2:31 AM

(Dec. 17, 2010 2:26 AM)Dan Wrote: Hmm.. This raises a question of Sonokong CS vs Takara Tomy CS. I have a feeling TT is the more defense-gifted sister of the two.. :Y Try and reduce the rubber coating if you can. (Tilting you launch, making it land on the rubber etc.) I think I'll put the SK vs TT variation in the OP, very interesting, I really appreciate the tests you have conducted pretty vital to the entire CS being a Defense Tip. :U

hmm... I will post more results, keeping in mind that my CS is a SK model... IMO, the rubber does not need to be worn down because I have trouble making it go into attack mode even if I try.

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Dan · Dec. 17, 2010 2:45 AM

I definitely will keep in mind that it is SonoKong. lmao.
Alright, well wear it in and then lets see what happens.

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Amaterasu · Dec. 17, 2010 2:46 AM

That's the exact opposite of my sk coat sharp. So which one would be better for defence

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(Dec. 17, 2010 2:09 AM)Kai-V Wrote:
(Dec. 17, 2010 2:03 AM)dracofrancis Wrote: ugh i hate capricorne...screw capricorn
i'm kidding this actually looks pretty good although
MF=Metal Face
MF=Metal Flat
so i thought they would change the name or abbreviation
"MF" is never included in the official naming system TAKARA-TOMY has. Personally, the only reason people write abbreviate to "MF" is because they are lazy. Now, either you write it at the beginning of the name, or you actually write "Metal Face" like a good
person with fingers would ...

Kai-V Wrote:Apparently I hate United States residents as well, hahah. I am truly racist.

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(Dec. 18, 2010 3:40 PM)Dan Wrote: but congratulations of proving you have a higher IQ than lemon juice.

(Dec. 19, 2010 4:38 PM)REtread Wrote: GET OUTTA MAI CEREAL BAWX

(Dec. 19, 2010 7:34 PM)Daegor42 Wrote:
(Dec. 09, 2010 6:40 AM)æ¡ƒå¤ªéƒŽ Wrote: Now, I wonder where Daegor42 ran off to.....
I'm in Narnia. The internet connection here sucks.

(Dec. 18, 2010 2:15 AM)Pockyx3 Wrote:
(Dec. 18, 2010 2:00 AM)Daegor42 Wrote: I hate gingerbread houses. I hate presents and toys. I hate reindeer and all of the good girls and boys. I hate the Whos down in Who-Ville and all of their songs. I hate their whumpettes and blumpettes and goobatforbrongs. I hate carols and sleigh rides and falalalalas. But above all things else, I hate Santa Claus.
"How the Daegor stole Christmas."

(Dec. 18, 2010 2:17 AM)JÃ†MS Wrote:
(Dec. 18, 2010 2:09 AM)Night Wrote: Speaking of Santa, some of the people in my school beat up an inflated Santa Claus.
those are some tough kids.. i would not want to mess with them...

(Dec. 14, 2010 11:12 PM)Daegor42 Wrote:
(Dec. 14, 2010 10:20 PM)To Wrote: They've apparently upgraded to built in scouters, and bell bottom pants.

1) Scouters are awesome.
2) Bell bottom pants are AWESOME.

But seriously, I'm not even paying attention to the animes/mangas. I'm content just collecting cards, haha.

(Dec. 15, 2010 1:44 AM)Dude Wrote:
(Dec. 15, 2010 1:37 AM)Kai-V Wrote: You know, it is also possible, when you have reached a certain level of development, to think without words ...
You know you make it sound like you're some sort of superior absolute being, kinda like that giant-headed baby at the end of 2001: A Space Odyssey?

Diamond Wrote:...Screw the rules, I have green hair which gives me the power to defy gravity...in America!

Kai-V Wrote:Don't Kill yourself .......

(Jan. 14, 2011 2:03 AM)Roan Wrote: Keep it rated PG here guys.

Let's not forget, this is a spinning top message board. You know, where children visit.

(Feb. 13, 2011 3:52 AM)scipio132 Wrote:
(Feb. 13, 2011 3:46 AM)Nano Wrote: I really need a job

You are extreamly obsesive

(Feb. 11, 2011 3:25 PM)Dude Wrote: As we all know, Kai-V never smiles.

(Apr. 28, 2011 1:12 AM)Dude Wrote: Mature people don't let off steam by raging against PS3 gamers on a spinning top forum while writting in all caps about how much they enjoy a console that makes them pay every month for online-play.

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Dan · Dec. 17, 2010 2:48 AM

.. Post tests please Ra.
Perhaps Nojo got a lemon, but I doubt every CS has its own personality..

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Amaterasu · Dec. 17, 2010 2:51 AM

Sorry only have a Carpy hasbro stadium but the only time it will go defensive is when it's losing stamina or hit hard

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(Dec. 17, 2010 2:09 AM)Kai-V Wrote:
(Dec. 17, 2010 2:03 AM)dracofrancis Wrote: ugh i hate capricorne...screw capricorn
i'm kidding this actually looks pretty good although
MF=Metal Face
MF=Metal Flat
so i thought they would change the name or abbreviation
"MF" is never included in the official naming system TAKARA-TOMY has. Personally, the only reason people write abbreviate to "MF" is because they are lazy. Now, either you write it at the beginning of the name, or you actually write "Metal Face" like a good
person with fingers would ...

Kai-V Wrote:Apparently I hate United States residents as well, hahah. I am truly racist.

.

(Dec. 18, 2010 3:40 PM)Dan Wrote: but congratulations of proving you have a higher IQ than lemon juice.

(Dec. 19, 2010 4:38 PM)REtread Wrote: GET OUTTA MAI CEREAL BAWX

(Dec. 19, 2010 7:34 PM)Daegor42 Wrote:
(Dec. 09, 2010 6:40 AM)æ¡ƒå¤ªéƒŽ Wrote: Now, I wonder where Daegor42 ran off to.....
I'm in Narnia. The internet connection here sucks.

(Dec. 18, 2010 2:15 AM)Pockyx3 Wrote:
(Dec. 18, 2010 2:00 AM)Daegor42 Wrote: I hate gingerbread houses. I hate presents and toys. I hate reindeer and all of the good girls and boys. I hate the Whos down in Who-Ville and all of their songs. I hate their whumpettes and blumpettes and goobatforbrongs. I hate carols and sleigh rides and falalalalas. But above all things else, I hate Santa Claus.
"How the Daegor stole Christmas."

(Dec. 18, 2010 2:17 AM)JÃ†MS Wrote:
(Dec. 18, 2010 2:09 AM)Night Wrote: Speaking of Santa, some of the people in my school beat up an inflated Santa Claus.
those are some tough kids.. i would not want to mess with them...

(Dec. 14, 2010 11:12 PM)Daegor42 Wrote:
(Dec. 14, 2010 10:20 PM)To Wrote: They've apparently upgraded to built in scouters, and bell bottom pants.

1) Scouters are awesome.
2) Bell bottom pants are AWESOME.

But seriously, I'm not even paying attention to the animes/mangas. I'm content just collecting cards, haha.

(Dec. 15, 2010 1:44 AM)Dude Wrote:
(Dec. 15, 2010 1:37 AM)Kai-V Wrote: You know, it is also possible, when you have reached a certain level of development, to think without words ...
You know you make it sound like you're some sort of superior absolute being, kinda like that giant-headed baby at the end of 2001: A Space Odyssey?

Diamond Wrote:...Screw the rules, I have green hair which gives me the power to defy gravity...in America!

Kai-V Wrote:Don't Kill yourself .......

(Jan. 14, 2011 2:03 AM)Roan Wrote: Keep it rated PG here guys.

Let's not forget, this is a spinning top message board. You know, where children visit.

(Feb. 13, 2011 3:52 AM)scipio132 Wrote:
(Feb. 13, 2011 3:46 AM)Nano Wrote: I really need a job

You are extreamly obsesive

(Feb. 11, 2011 3:25 PM)Dude Wrote: As we all know, Kai-V never smiles.

(Apr. 28, 2011 1:12 AM)Dude Wrote: Mature people don't let off steam by raging against PS3 gamers on a spinning top forum while writting in all caps about how much they enjoy a console that makes them pay every month for online-play.

click for funny stuff

Dan · Dec. 17, 2010 2:52 AM

So then it is SonoKong molds..?
Edit: Glad that settled,
Thanks Blah!!

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Nojo294 · Dec. 17, 2010 3:40 AM

so are sonokong worse for defense than TT? I DO have another mint NIB ray unicrono among other things but I do not want to open it as the one I have is mint as well. I guess I will test it more extensively after this Gravity Perseus testing comes to an end...

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Dan · Dec. 17, 2010 3:42 AM

I can't say for sure, but it looks like such because you two (Ra) have SonoKong's and are obtaining less than satisfactory results.. Hope to see those results after.

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blah · Dec. 17, 2010 3:50 AM

My Sonokong CS sucks.
It doesn't even move with a complete sliding shoot.

Ray Joker · Dec. 17, 2010 3:51 AM

I will try to get a Takara-Tomy CS soon, and I'll test it out.

Dan, is your CS from the Ray Unicorno Starter or Booster?

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Dan · Dec. 17, 2010 3:53 AM

Booster.
Man, isn't that going a bit too deep? Who knows, perhaps a niche CS. o:

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Ray Joker · Dec. 17, 2010 3:55 AM

Hah, sorry for taking it too far. (I do need a CS However)

I get caught up in a lot of off-topic things. O.o

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Dan · Dec. 17, 2010 3:56 AM

I have no problem with that, its all good.
Though I got it right from a japanese retailer. (From my friend in japan..)
Who knows..

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Fyuuor · Dec. 17, 2010 11:14 AM

I've had these results for around a week as I did some quick testing of MF Pegasus 85RF/R2F for McFrown thought that I'll post the results here:

WB Opponent:

MF - H Earth (Second Mold) Bull GB145WB VS MF Pegasus 85RF
MF - H Earth (Second Mold) Bull GB145WB: 4 wins
MF Pegasus 85RF: 6 wins
WB win percentage: 40%

MF - H Earth (Second Mold) Bull GB145WB MF Pegasus 85R2F
MF - H Earth (Second Mold) Bull GB145WB: 2 wins
MF Pegasus 85R2F: 8 wins
WB win percentage 20%

RSF Opponent:

MF - H Earth (Second Mold) Bull GB145RSF VS MF Pegasus 85RF
MF - H Earth (Second Mold) Bull GB145RSF: 5 wins
MF Pegasus 85RF: 5 wins
RSF win percentage: 50%

MF - H Earth (Second Mold) Bull GB145RSF VS MF Pegasus 85R2F
MF - H Earth (Second Mold) Bull GB145RSF: 5 wins
MF Pegasus 85R2F: 5 wins
RSF win percentage: 50%

RS Opponent:

MF - H Earth (Second Mold) Bull GB145RS VS MF Pegasus 85RF
MF - H Earth (Second Mold) Bull GB145RS: 7 wins
MF Pegasus 85RF: 3 wins
RS win percentage: 70%

MF - H Earth (Second Mold) Bull GB145RS VS MF Pegasus 85R2F
MF - H Earth (Second Mold) Bull GB145RS: 7 wins
MF Pegasus 85R2F: 3 wins
RS win percentage: 70%

CS Opponent:

MF - H Earth (Second Mold) Bull GB145CS VS MF Pegasus 85RF
MF - H Earth (Second Mold) Bull GB145CS: 5 wins
MF Pegasus 85RF: 5 wins
CS win percentage: 50%

MF - H Earth (Second Mold) Bull GB145CS VS MF Pegasus 85R2F
MF - H Earth (Second Mold) Bull GB145CS: 3 wins
MF Pegasus 85R2F: 7 wins
CS win percentage: 30%

My CS is worn and TT make, I do have another CS which is Sono Kong and mint but unfortunately I like to keep it as a spare.

The most noticeable thing that these results highlight is the fact that WB is just not up to standard, especially when compared to the high win rates that RS achieves. We can all agree that RS is the better Defensive tip then WB though I do believe that WB should remain Top Tier at least until the release of MF. Due to MF having increased stamina over RF, using WB over RS may be an option as it'll give the Defence Combination the chance to outspin it's MF opponent.

If WB proves to be ineffective in countering MF then I believe it'll be time to replace WB with CS. Though with CS's increased stamina over WB, CS may prove to be more effective against MF then WB.

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Dan · Dec. 17, 2010 3:30 PM

Alright.. perhaps I can negate that, by testing WB against a few of my F series bottoms.. >:J
Just to see how it fairs with MF not being released. Good point you have put up.

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Nojo294 · Dec. 18, 2010 1:20 AM

(Dec. 17, 2010 3:30 PM)Dan Wrote: Alright.. perhaps I can negate that, by testing WB against a few of my F series bottoms.. >:J
Just to see how it fairs with MF not being released. Good point you have put up.

I agree with fyuuoor... As you may/may not know, My sonokong Storm Aquario M145Q came with a bottom that I can only describe as MF... go over to the random thoughts thread to see pic. Anyways, I can do testing with that just to see RELATIVE results... it wont be entirely accurate as I do not think it is an actual MF...

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Dan · Dec. 18, 2010 2:18 AM

Oh, I already know.. I too agree, but I have my doubts.

Edit: Results:

Quote:Flame Bull 145CS vs Flame Bull 145WB
Flame Bull 145CS: 5 wins (5 OS)
Flame Bull 145WB: 5 wins (5 OS)
1 Draw
CS win percentage: 50%

New format^ c:
Anyway, I have a worn CS and it can still tie with WB. Though I can conduct more testing which looks like there must be.

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Diamond · Dec. 18, 2010 6:14 PM

(Dec. 18, 2010 2:18 AM)Dan Wrote:
Quote:Flame Bull 145CS vs Flame Bull 145WB
Flame Bull 145CS: 5 wins (5 OS)
Flame Bull 145WB: 5 wins (5 OS)
1 Draw
CS win percentage: 50%
New format^ c:
Anyway, I have a worn CS and it can still tie with WB. Though I can conduct more testing which looks like there must be.

This looks pretty reasonable.

Thanks for the tests, Dan!

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Nojo294 · Dec. 19, 2010 6:58 PM

Hmmm in beybladerpatriks video in the part testing requests, CS got demolished by ray... My cs is the same way as well. My Internet has been down but I will post vids...

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