Dark_Mousy: Yes, i have E230, any specific combo you want with it?

Arupaeo: I have Flash and Vari, i will make sure i benchmark next time for accuracy.

Well the benchmark would be good to have now, not until you do another group of tests.

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Dark_Mousy: Yes, i have E230, any specific combo you want with it?

Arupaeo: I have Flash and Vari, i will make sure i benchmark next time for accuracy.

If you have MSF H Revizer Revizer E230 CS. Something like that.

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Sorry I haven't posted anything i've been very busy lately but i did manage to get in the E230 test that Dark_Mousy wanted. I'm using regular MSFs because i still have yet to receive my MSF-Hs in the mail. Anyways, here are my results.

Benchmark:
MF-H FLASH GIRAFFE S130 RF Vs. MSF REVIZER REVIZER E230 CS

FLASH: 3 Win (2 KO 1 OS)
15% Win Rate

REVIZER: 17 Win (1 KO 16 OS)
85% Win Rate

MSF GRYPH GRYPH S130 RF Vs. MSF REVIZER REVIZER E230 CS

GRYPH: 8 Win (6 KO 2 OS)
40% Win Rate

REVIZER: 12 Win (1 KO 11 OS)
60% Win Rate

Wow! This test really surprised me, Gryph completely outperformed Flash here. What I got from this is that the Revizer combo is a complete tank. HaHa.. On a serious note Gryph unlike Flash was able to push around Revizer due to its weight but even more surprising was that Gryph did most of its KOs at a low RPM. The outspins happened due to Revizers awful stamina.[/quote][/code][/php]

Hmm could you try MSF Gryph Gryph S130RF vs MF-H Duo Aquario BD145CS?

For some reason Gryph out preforms Flash taking out Reviser, but not Duo 230D? I want to see how it fares against a defensive Duo.

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The reason i believe it out performs flash against revizer is strictly due to its weight being able to push it around. But gryph has nowhere near the smash capabilities that flash has, it amazed me how gryph was able to KO revizer at low RPMs though.

Some Gryph tests for fun and to find which height works best for it. I started with the test Meow! wanted.

MSF-Gryph Gryph S130R2F vs. MF-Duo Sagittario II BD145CS

Details (Click to View)

1)Duo - OS
2)Duo - OS
3)Gryph - KO
4)Duo - OS
5)Duo - OS
6)Duo - OS
7)Duo - OS
8)Duo - OS
9)Duo - OS
10)Duo - OS
11)Duo - OS
12)Duo - OS
13)Duo - OS
14)Duo - OS
15)Duo - OS
16)Duo - OS
17)Duo - OS
18)Duo - OS
19)Duo - OS
20)Duo - OS

Gryph - 1 win (KO)
Duo - 19 wins (all OS)
Gryph win % = 5%

Notes: (Click to View)

Gryph does much better against a synchrom opponent because it has so much more to grab on to. The interesting thing that happened was, I heard and saw a lot of force smash going on. I could not get a straight KO cause Gryph would hit outwards and downwards. The one KO that Gryph got was because it hit down hard enough and slammed Duo into the floor and BD145 scraped itself out of the stadium. Every other time Gryph would get a KO worthy hit, it would send Duo staright into the tornado ridge or the exit ridge. After it was hit Duo would be tilted towards the exit so sometimes BD145 would even catch the ridge which would make it scrape a little but not enough to hurt Duo's ridiculous stamina. It was very strange because it wasnt that it couldn't KO for lack of power, it was that it couldn't get enough lift(?) to get it over the ridge. Also, I tried my best and could not recreate that scraping KO. I am going to play around with more heights so that I can hopefully find Gryph's sweet spot.

MSF-Gryph Gryph 90R2F vs. MF-Duo Sagittario II BD145CS

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1)Duo - OS
2)Duo - OS
3)Duo - OS
4)Duo - OS
5)Duo - OS
6)Duo - OS
7)Gryph - KO
8)Duo - OS
9)Duo - OS
10)Gryph - KO (scrape KO)
11)Duo - OS
12)Duo - OS
13)Duo - OS
14)Duo - OS
15)Duo - OS
16)Duo - OS
17)Duo - OS
18)Duo - OS
19)Gryph - KO
20)Duo - OS

Gryph - 3 wins (all KO)
Duo - 17 wins (all OS)
Gryph win % = 15%

Notes: (Click to View)

Gryph had a much better chance here, but it had to KO early. Not only did it have to KO early, but it had to hit with its hard hitting contact point and there had to be no wall in the way. Duo did have several wall saves so there could have been a few more KOs. I do not think Gryph is bad by any means because it doesn't seem to have this much trouble with synchroms. I just honestly think Duo is Gryph's worst enemy. With both beys being so round, and Gryph having one hard hitting contact point, there is just no way Gryph can KO Duo consistently from the side. Also, since Duo is a lot lighter than a defNext step is to go higher!

I will try and get some more tests done tomorrow. I have a lot of faith in this wheel. Again, I do not think these tests should reflect Gryph's potential, just that Duo is Gryph's worst enemy.

Edit: Flash comparison tests

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MF-Flash Scorpio S130RF vs MF-Duo Sagittario II BD145CS

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1)Flash - KO
2)Flash - KO
3)Duo - OS
4)Flash - KO
5)Flash - KO
6)Duo - OS
7)Duo - OS
8)Flash - KO
9)Duo - OS
10)Duo - OS
11)Flash - KO
12)Flash - KO
13)Flash - KO
14)Duo - OS
15)Flash - KO
16)Flash - KO
17)Flash - KO
18)Flash - KO
19)Flash - KO
20)Flash - KO

Flash - 14 wins (all KO)
Duo - 6 wins (all OS)
Flash win % = 70%

I do not think my Flash has too much life left. It can still KO obviously, but the KOs are not near as impressive as they used to be.

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MSF-(H) Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F/RF (teamwork combo with Ingulit)
MSF-H-Dragooon/Bahamdia Dragooon SP230GF (teamwork combo with Ga'Hooleone)
MSF-Gryph Gryph E230BSF
Genbull Genbull SR200TB/CS
Ifraid Dragooon F: D
Gargole Dragooon BD145EDS
MSF-Begirados Begirados BD145RF
Pegasis Dragooon S130LRF
Phoenic Balro TR145MF
MSF-L-Gryph Gryph SA165(normal)GF (Zero-G format)

I would really appreciate if everybody included their comparative/benchmark results when they post test results.


Does anyone else own Gryph ? It really seems like a great Attack Chrome Wheel.

I would really appreciate if everybody included their comparative/benchmark results when they post test results.


Does anyone else own Gryph ? It really seems like a great Attack Chrome Wheel.

I own 2 Gryphs so I can do some tests but sadly I don't have BD145 but I'm getting Thief Phoenic in the mail soon so I will have E230 other then that the best Defence Track I have is SA165

Sorry Kai-V, I usually do post my benchmarks. I don't know why I didn't this time. I just got done with a Flash comparison test and an update on one of the Gryph tests. When I get to a computer tomorrow I will post them.

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MSF-(H) Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F/RF (teamwork combo with Ingulit)
MSF-H-Dragooon/Bahamdia Dragooon SP230GF (teamwork combo with Ga'Hooleone)
MSF-Gryph Gryph E230BSF
Genbull Genbull SR200TB/CS
Ifraid Dragooon F: D
Gargole Dragooon BD145EDS
MSF-Begirados Begirados BD145RF
Pegasis Dragooon S130LRF
Phoenic Balro TR145MF
MSF-L-Gryph Gryph SA165(normal)GF (Zero-G format)

I remembered in my last tests that I had my slightly worn Gryph on top and my brand new Gryph on bottom. I decided to redo the S130 tests with the new Gryph on top, and the results were better. I am not sure if they were better because the new Gryph was on top, or because I used RF instead of R2F (both are in very good shape), or if it was because I was in the groove after doing my Flash comparison tests. I believe last night was the best I have ever performed with attack types.

All tests were in a BB-10
Beylauncher with launcher rubber
Standard procedure
(Flash comparison test was added to my previous post)

MSF-H-Gryph Gryph S130RF vs. MF-Duo Sagittario II BD145CS

Details (Click to View)

1)Duo - OS
2)Duo - OS
3)Gryph - KO
4)Duo - OS
5)Gryph - KO
6)Gryph - KO
7)Duo - OS
8)Duo - OS
9)Gryph - KO
10)Duo - OS
11)Duo - OS
12)Duo - OS
13)Gryph - KO
14)Duo - OS
15)Duo - OS
16)Duo - OS
17)Duo - OS
18)Gryph - KO
19)Duo - OS
20)Duo - OS

Gryph - 6 wins (all KO)
Duo - 14 wins (all OS)
Gryph win % = 30%

A good clean KO with Gryph really seems like it is all about if that one contact point hits or not. Several of Gryphs KOs were because it was moving so fast that it could push Duo close to an exit with one hit and make it back around in time to push it out with another. I know a few factors were a little different in these tests than in my first one, but one other thing was different too.....I was launching very very hard and very very fast. Don't get me wrong, I launched hard and fast in the first set of tests, but in these I was just waiting for my launcher to break.

It has been mentioned before that Gryph does not have much recoil, and I can confirm that. I wanted to go higher and hopefully add a little recoil in the next tests. I have tried R145 and even GB145, but I wanted to see if TT was on to something when they made Archer Gryph so I went with C145. If anyone is wondering why I am using R2F instead of RF in the next tests, I was in a hurry and not paying attention so I left my prime R2F on C145 when I swapped it onto Gryph.

MSF-H-Gryph Gryph C145R2F vs. MF-Duo Sagittario II BD145CS
Again, launching with everything I had, worried my launcher would break at any second

Details (Click to View)

1)Gryph - KO
2)Gryph - KO
3)Gryph - KO
4)Gryph - KO
5)Gryph - KO
6)Duo - OS
7)Duo - OS
8)Duo - OS
9)Gryph - KO
10)Gryph - KO
11)Duo - OS
12)Duo - OS
13)Duo - OS
14)Duo - OS
15)Duo - OS
16)Gryph - KO
17)Gryph - KO
18)Duo - KO
19)Duo - OS
20)Duo - OS

Gryph - 9 wins (all KO)
Duo - 11 wins (10 OS, 1 KO)
Gryph win % = 45%

Duo's one KO was really cool to watch. Both beys were close to an exit, Gryph came around the outside and hit Duo with a small force smash, and the small jump that happened afterwards lifted Gryph right out of the stadium. I still can't figure out quite what is going on sometimes. I can get back to back KOs, and then all the sudden, round after round of Gryph just pushing Duo and never getting a clean hit. All in all, it does seem like 145 is a better height for Gryph Gryph, and there did seem to be a tad more recoil. I really hope others will test this so maybe they can see something I am missing

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My combos (Click to View)

MSF-(H) Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F/RF (teamwork combo with Ingulit)
MSF-H-Dragooon/Bahamdia Dragooon SP230GF (teamwork combo with Ga'Hooleone)
MSF-Gryph Gryph E230BSF
Genbull Genbull SR200TB/CS
Ifraid Dragooon F: D
Gargole Dragooon BD145EDS
MSF-Begirados Begirados BD145RF
Pegasis Dragooon S130LRF
Phoenic Balro TR145MF
MSF-L-Gryph Gryph SA165(normal)GF (Zero-G format)

If Gryph acts a lot like VariAres, why not try it on A230... VariAres had some success with it so I would like to request:

MSF-H Gryph Gryph A230/SR200 R2F/RF

We should try XF with this. I think we should find some real competitive use for XF other than a not-as-good replacement of RF.

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Ultimo, I don't have A230 but, I tried SR200RF/R2F and Gryph Gryph just kept jumping the opponent on contact. However, SR200MB it's proving to be promising except it still has some trouble with 230 opponents.

@ukdl123, XF with what track?

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My combos (Click to View)

MSF-(H) Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F/RF (teamwork combo with Ingulit)
MSF-H-Dragooon/Bahamdia Dragooon SP230GF (teamwork combo with Ga'Hooleone)
MSF-Gryph Gryph E230BSF
Genbull Genbull SR200TB/CS
Ifraid Dragooon F: D
Gargole Dragooon BD145EDS
MSF-Begirados Begirados BD145RF
Pegasis Dragooon S130LRF
Phoenic Balro TR145MF
MSF-L-Gryph Gryph SA165(normal)GF (Zero-G format)

Hmm Interesting,Gryph Should be Attack type combination and act like Variares
Then why not use MF?Like

MSF Gryph Gryph S130 MF?Variares is good with MF

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Hmm Interesting,Gryph Should be Attack type combination and act like Variares
Then why not use MF?Like

MSF Gryph Gryph S130 MF?Variares is good with MF

No no no no no, VariAres is AWFUL with Metal Flat! MF has some of the worst recoil handling of any attack type tip, and VariAres has some of the most recoil of any wheel available. The only reason MF is used on Flash is because Flash has very little recoil compared to most attack wheels and thus doesn't need the rubber from a Rubber Flat variant, something VariAres sorely needs.

As far as your recommendation goes, it might work, but only because Gryph Gryph is so heavy. If it acted like VariAres in this regard it would be horrible.

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• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

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• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

How would Killerken do with this...? I mean Killerken is known for some of its "grinding-abilites", and Gryph does well as a destabilizer.

I want MSF-H/MSF Killerken Gryph TH170/A230 R2F/RF to be tested.

Your combo suggestion is kinda weird. You suggest an attack combo based on grinding & destabilizing ability? Not to mention, that combo sits on higher tracks. You can barely hit anything with A230. It is too tall for an attack combo.

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Sorry about that. I was thinking about a force smash combo and accidentally typed that up. What I mean to write was MSF-H/MSF Killerken Gryph DF105 R2F/RF.

It has to be a great wheel, it has a strong smash attack.

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I just realized how long it has been since some one has officially tested Gryph, but I wanted to put my tests here to back up my statement on the Beywiki article.

MSF-H Gryph Gryph GB145R2F vs Killerken Genbull BD145CS
Gryph: 14/20 (All KO)
Genbull: 6/20 (All OS)

Gryph Win Rate: 70%

1 Tie Redone

And here are my comparison test that I did with Girago Girago on the same day: Girago Girago Testing

Note: Genbull's defense dramatically increases on a full rubber tip. I used CS so that the difference between the 2 wheel would be more evident.

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I think Gryph has some force smash
How about MSF Gryph Gryph TH170R2F?
I like th170 better than 230 and its variants

Gryph totally has force smash, yeah! That's what KainHighwind's E230 custom was based on, actually! It deserves testing, sure, though I'd recommend stuff like MB or BSF as a tip instead since you won't be able to force smash a win before R2F runs out of steam.

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• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

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• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

Hmm, Anyone considering using CS in this "Force smash" combo? even tho CS have Insane grip speed and enough smash to KO.

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Gryph totally has force smash, yeah! That's what KainHighwind's E230 custom was based on, actually! It deserves testing, sure, though I'd recommend stuff like MB or BSF as a tip instead since you won't be able to force smash a win before R2F runs out of steam.

Your talking about gryph gryph e230bsf,right? That's what got into thinking about using gryph for force smash.