Greetings WBO tournament go-ers,

There has been much discussion about the current state of the metagame in the standard X format, and how newer releases are given little chance to shine. The current metagame is defined by around a dozen Blades, and there have been calls to ban 1 or 2 of these Blades, but I believe that to be a half measure that would allow other Blades within those 12 or so Blades to dominate instead, changing little. I also believe rules such as the Limited Rule to be half measures as well, as they do not truly change parts diversity or Blade usage rates.

However, banning a dozen Blades in standard is absurd, and creates an entirely new Ranked format: hence why I am proposing the creation of a lower power format called X Limited. There have already been several regions fielding banlists of their own in unranked events, and implementing their own special rules. The idea is to have a restricted list of Blades, on par with the power level prior to PhoenixWing being released and changing the state of the game. This also means removing meta favourites like WizardRod, to allow for more diverse Stamina Blade picks and interactions.

In regards with new parts being released, I would suggest keeping all new Blades banned until testing proves them to be weak enough to allow into the format.

Tentative: Proposed Banned Parts in Beyblade X Limited Format

• AeroPegasus (Aero Pegasus)
  
• CobaltDragoon (Cobalt Dragoon)
  
• CobaltDrake
  
• DranBuster (Buster Dran)
  
• GolemRock
  
• ImpactDrake
  
• KnightMail
  
• PhoenixWing (Soar Phoenix)
  
• Roar Tyranno
  
• SamuraiSaber
  
• SilverWolf (Sterling Wolf)
  
• TyrannoBeat (Beat Tyranno)
  
• WhaleWave (Tide Whale)
  
• WizardRod (Wand Wizard)
  

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Currently fan translating the Beyblade X manga. Beyblade Wiki Administrator and occasional manga scanlator.

I've left SharkEdge (Keel Shark) and its clones off the list for now, and I think it warrants further discussion. SharkEdge 5-60R was a popular combo mainstay prior to PhoenixWing, but it also weighs 34 grams and has low Stamina; SharkEdge 7-60LR also seems to be strong, but we can probably watchlist these Blades instead of immediately banning them from the format.

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Currently fan translating the Beyblade X manga. Beyblade Wiki Administrator and occasional manga scanlator.

“SharkEdge was a mainstay prior to PhoenixWing” you mean when the only other blades in the game were Dranzer, Sword, Shield, Arrow and Lance (then eventually Claw). Shark shouldn’t be banned imo. People perceive it as a good attack because of how it was when it came out. It’ll be stonewalled by Crest and any other allowed defense type. Attack types are needs to keep stamina in check

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Optimus Primal is still very fairly strong in X Standard, but I think Bite Croc (CrocCrunch) and SharkEdge (Keel Shark) are starting to falter in performance in modern X Standard tournaments.

I think it best to let them dominate this format as a great attack option. If they end up being too powerful should be watch-listed.

Our scene had a limited event yesterday and the consensus was that GolemRock was very powerful as an all-rounder pick.

I also think the current format keeps attack in check by not having many large diameter Blades with a lot of reach.
For this reason CrimsonGaruda may end up being something that would also want to be watch-listed if it ends up being too dominant due to its good shape, weight, and size.

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As the person who created/formatted X Limited (and this specific list) in our region, I would like to say that this format is excellent. In the tournament yesterday, players could use almost any blade they wanted to without risk of it being too weak to be fun.

Judges agreed that GolemRock was too powerful and it has now been added to the banlist. There was some debate amongst a few members, but overall the ban was welcomed.

The intention of BXL was to create space for underutilized/outclassed parts to get the love that they deserve. There were only 2 things that posed a potential threat to this goal. The first being the afforementioned GolemRock blade, and the other being specifically LLD Upper on Elevate. The second requires much more testing, aswell as actual gameplay in the many tournaments to come.

LLD Upper is heavier and rounder than LLD Rapid Hit. This is par of what makes it harder to counter than Rapid Hit. I do think an equalizer is valuable in any Beyblade meta, but I would like to look into this further.

If anyone has questions about the performance of specific parts or combos in BXL, feel free to reach out to me here or on discord (tuckwolf). Definitely would like to discuss further.

This seems like there will be a lot of micro managing. I don’t think that is a hundred percent necessary. This is basically banning just about everything and or anything with potential. Does it suck to see the usual “rod, phoenix and dragoon” deck? Yeah but if feels so damn good when we beat them with our favorite beys. Some people just need to figure it out and just have fun and not take everything so personal. I do not think the hobby needs all the management but hey. Not like everybody’s opinion counts right? It’s always one way or another.

Brief intro to give some insight on my viewpoint:

Been competing since October 2024, topping the ranks while having never touched meta once (just stock Drans) being one of the most active competitive players in FL, competed in other regions as well, the biggest being Beyblade South in Texas comprising of over 100+ players.

I would say it makes more sense to ban the use of specific meta combos and not necessarily the parts themselves. What makes things meta in X is the specific combos that have over saturated the current game that carries a lot of people to the top. It’s not the Blades specifically that are the problem, it’s the COMBINATIONS. The most prevalent and overused across WBO and Japan being the obvious WizardRod Ball and Ball Variants/Alternatives Phoenix/Tyranno on Rush/LowRush/Low Flat, and of course Dragoon on Elevate.

My ideal game balancer wouldn’t be to ban specific parts but to ban the following combinations

CobaltDragoon cannot be used with the following:
Bits: Hexa, Glide, Elevate or Level.

Rod/Wolf/Pegasus cannot be used with the following…
Ratchets: 9-60
Bits: Ball, Orb, Free Ball, Hexa, Elevate or Level

PhoenixWing/TyrannoBeat/WhaleWave/AeroPegasus cannot be used with the ratchets: 9-60
Bits: Rush/Low Flat/Low Rush

This would still allow players to use the fan favorites while also encouraging players to think outside the box, this list can obviously be adjusted as results change but for the most part it’s pretty fair for the current meta game.

The amount of word vomit to ban specific combinations does not really change much. Using those blades at all will just mean a ton of work to ban new bits that perform similarly; and even then, it's the Blade that is overpowered, not the bits specifically.

A Limited Format, ideally, gives lower tier parts a shot at a life.

Currently, yes, you can *get away* with using lower tier Blades to win in X Standard.

However as we get more parts and systems, the need for a format like this will grow stronger.

If people want to play with their favorites, then they can play X Standard.

These two formats can co-exist.

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Brief intro to give some insight on my viewpoint:

Been competing since October 2024, topping the ranks while having never touched meta once (just stock Drans) being one of the most active competitive players in FL, competed in other regions as well, the biggest being Beyblade South in Texas comprising of over 100+ players.

I would say it makes more sense to ban the use of specific meta combos and not necessarily the parts themselves. What makes things meta in X is the specific combos that have over saturated the current game that carries a lot of people to the top. It’s not the Blades specifically that are the problem, it’s the COMBINATIONS. The most prevalent and overused across WBO and Japan being the obvious WizardRod Ball and Ball Variants/Alternatives Phoenix/Tyranno on Rush/LowRush/Low Flat, and of course Dragoon on Elevate.

My ideal game balancer wouldn’t be to ban specific parts but to ban the following combinations

CobaltDragoon cannot be used with the following:
Bits: Hexa, Glide, Elevate or Level.

Rod/Wolf/Pegasus cannot be used with the following…
Ratchets: 9-60
Bits: Ball, Orb, Free Ball, Hexa, Elevate or Level

PhoenixWing/TyrannoBeat/WhaleWave/AeroPegasus cannot be used with the ratchets: 9-60
Bits: Rush/Low Flat/Low Rush

This would still allow players to use the fan favorites while also encouraging players to think outside the box, this list can obviously be adjusted as results change but for the most part it’s pretty fair for the current meta game.

This has never been—and should never be—how a limited format is run. The whole point is to allow room for blades to breath while still using them to their full capacity. The combos you listed do NOT put any significant limitations on any of the dominant blades. You're end result will be decks comprised of the same three blades with worse bits, creating a simply less enjoyable version of standard. By restricting the blade-pool, you change the actual gameplay and interaction between blades, using the appropriate ratchets and bits to let them reach their true potential.

No more half measures Waltuh

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Currently fan translating the Beyblade X manga. Beyblade Wiki Administrator and occasional manga scanlator.

What has been the historical impedious for limited formats being created? As someone new to WBO with X they mostly seem like sub generations cut offs. I don't really understand the call for a limited format based on power for a game that has new parts being released monthly, where even the worst parts occasionally hit winning combos, and whose meta has been healthly and constantly evolving since November at least. I get there was a few months some people got burned on WR, but the calls for limited format seems largely in reaction to those months and not the current and evolving state of X.

I have a lot of concerns over introducing a limited format to X, especially depending on how it was implemented, but it would be helpful to understand how limited formats came to be in the past before diving into my concerns.

What has been the historical impedious for limited formats being created? As someone new to WBO with X they mostly seem like sub generations cut offs. I don't really understand the call for a limited format based on power for a game that has new parts being released monthly, where even the worst parts occasionally hit winning combos, and whose meta has been healthly and constantly evolving since November at least. I get there was a few months some people got burned on WR, but the calls for limited format seems largely in reaction to those months and not the current and evolving state of X.

I have a lot of concerns over introducing a limited format to X, especially depending on how it was implemented, but it would be helpful to understand how limited formats came to be in the past before diving into my concerns.

Limited formats do not replace or remove anything from the standard format. Put simply, it's a separate way to play. Limited formats come into being when certain parts dominate over others. Do deny that there are dominating blades in the standard meta would be flat out wrong.

"even the worst parts occasionally hit winning combos"
I wanna really emphasize this point: Occasionally hitting winning combos and actually being viable and fun for play are not the same thing. Like KIO said, the new parts being released monthly are often overshadowed by existing top-contenders or are immediately outclassed and see little to no use or niche viability.

"the calls for limited format seems largely in reaction to those months"
No, this is not related to that whatsoever. Instead, as I said in my earlier post, this is to give lesser-used parts the opportunity to show off what they're really capable of. It is not intended to say "we don't like these beys and don't want to play against them", it simply freshens up the parts pool and allows some breathing room.

"I have a lot of concerns over introducing a limited format to X"
I would really like to hear what these are because I havent heard any concerns in the many conversations ive had about building BXL. Keep in mind that it will have no impact on X Standard.

Greetings WBO tournament go-ers,

There has been much discussion about the current state of the metagame in the standard X format, and how newer releases are given little chance to shine. The current metagame is defined by around a dozen Blades, and there have been calls to ban 1 or 2 of these Blades, but I believe that to be a half measure that would allow other Blades within those 12 or so Blades to dominate instead, changing little. I also believe rules such as the Limited Rule to be half measures as well, as they do not truly change parts diversity or Blade usage rates.

However, banning a dozen Blades in standard is absurd, and creates an entirely new Ranked format: hence why I am proposing the creation of a lower power format called X Limited. There have already been several regions fielding banlists of their own in unranked events, and implementing their own special rules. The idea is to have a restricted list of Blades, on par with the power level prior to PhoenixWing being released and changing the state of the game. This also means removing meta favourites like WizardRod, to allow for more diverse Stamina Blade picks and interactions.

In regards with new parts being released, I would suggest keeping all new Blades banned until testing proves them to be weak enough to allow into the format.

Tentative: Proposed Banned Parts in Beyblade X Limited Format

• AeroPegasus (Aero Pegasus)
  
• CobaltDragoon (Cobalt Dragoon)
  
• CobaltDrake
  
• DranBuster (Buster Dran)
  
• GolemRock
  
• ImpactDrake
  
• KnightMail
  
• PhoenixWing (Soar Phoenix)
  
• Roar Tyranno
  
• SamuraiSaber
  
• SilverWolf (Sterling Wolf)
  
• TyrannoBeat (Beat Tyranno)
  
• WhaleWave (Tide Whale)
  
• WizardRod (Wand Wizard)
  

With CX around the corner, as well as more and more releases starting to exist firmly at a post-PW power level; I agree that now is probably the time to, at the very least, start having discussions about an X Limited/X Classic format. I think there's been a sharp enough decline in severely underpowered releases that it's unlikely the format would suffer from needing to test every new release for legality, and the few most recent additions to the roster that would likely be legal (Shelter Drake and Ghost Circle, specifically) never even stood a chance in Standard from the moment of their release.

I've been out of the game (aside from picking up new releases) for a couple months now, for several different reasons, the least personal of which simply being meta burnout; so admittedly I don't have the best perspective on how much (or more likely, how little) the meta has changed since I last played. But while I'd definitely miss Whale, Buster, and Tyranno Beat, I've long since reached the point where I would begrudgingly sacrifice them to be rid of the PW/RodBall/DragoonE trifecta.


TL;DR I'm largely in favor of this, although I am curious as to how this final list came to be. Is it based off of blade weight, usage statistics, winning vs losing matchup %'s (how many combos it wins against VS how many combos beat it), etc.

With CX around the corner, as well as more and more releases starting to exist firmly at a post-PW power level; I agree that now is probably the time to, at the very least, start having discussions about an X Limited/X Classic format. I think there's been a sharp enough decline in severely underpowered releases that it's unlikely the format would suffer from needing to test every new release for legality, and the few most recent additions to the roster that would likely be legal (Shelter Drake and Ghost Circle, specifically) never even stood a chance in Standard from the moment of their release.

I've been largely out of the game (apart from picking up new releases) for a couple months now, for several different reasons, the least personal of which simply being meta burnout; so admittedly I don't have the best perspective on how much (or more likely, how little) the meta has changed since I last played. But while I'd definitely miss Whale, Buster, and Tyranno Beat, I've long since reached the point where I would begrudgingly sacrifice them to be rid of the PW/RodBall/DragoonE trifecta.


TL;DR I'm largely in favor of this, although I am curious as to how this final list came to be. Is it based off of blade weight, usage statistics, winning vs losing matchup %'s (how many combos it wins against VS how many combos beat it), etc.

A large part of it was Blade Weight, yes. Dagger is the only blade reaching 36 grams. The other, more in depth, reasoning is weighing whether or not it outclasses other Blades. As I'm sure you can see, a lot of these banned attackers made it senseless to try to use beys like Dagger, Viper, Hammer, Rhino, etc. in Standard. Removing the heavyweghts allows beys like Rudder, Chain, Crest, or even Ptera to have a chance to perform well in their intended use. These were all tested and curated by judges in the PNW community, though lists similar to this one have been used experimentally elsewhere. 

Not to be a broken record, but at the X Limited trial event on Saturday, every bey but one (maybe two) was viable and counterable. There was no weight-creep dominance and nearly no viability discrepancy. The one real threat to the healthy meta was Golem, which behaved like a dominanting all-rounder that made it difficult and frustrating when in the rest of the BXL parts pool. Hence its present ban.

Personally I am intrigued by the idea of a limited format as another option to play. I cannot deny that it is an interesting thought. However where I would differ with most of you all, is I'd probably do a weight limit format. Keep it short and simple, easy to understand, a lot of meta blades have weight in their side generally speaking.

Side note- I have seen that the unholy trinity of meta beyblades, (Dragoon Elevate, Wizard Ball, and Phoenix B/P/R) are NOT invincible. People have found viable workarounds, using a combination of technique and good combo. Dragoon users at yesterday's tournament in Martinez took quite a few losses. And I took a handful of battles from Aero Pegasus. This is still not a perfect and balanced state of playing, but certainly better than what it once was.

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That's it for now, spinthusiasts.
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DranBuster is my baby and I'm never leaving it behind! OVER MY DEAD BODY!

But in all seriousness, I think this seems like a great proposal to give other Beys a chance to shine and have more diverse combos.

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TRANSGENDER POINT GANG!

Brief intro to give some insight on my viewpoint:

Been competing since October 2024, topping the ranks while having never touched meta once (just stock Drans) being one of the most active competitive players in FL, competed in other regions as well, the biggest being Beyblade South in Texas comprising of over 100+ players.

I would say it makes more sense to ban the use of specific meta combos and not necessarily the parts themselves. What makes things meta in X is the specific combos that have over saturated the current game that carries a lot of people to the top. It’s not the Blades specifically that are the problem, it’s the COMBINATIONS. The most prevalent and overused across WBO and Japan being the obvious WizardRod Ball and Ball Variants/Alternatives Phoenix/Tyranno on Rush/LowRush/Low Flat, and of course Dragoon on Elevate.

My ideal game balancer wouldn’t be to ban specific parts but to ban the following combinations

CobaltDragoon cannot be used with the following:
Bits: Hexa, Glide, Elevate or Level.

Rod/Wolf/Pegasus cannot be used with the following…
Ratchets: 9-60
Bits: Ball, Orb, Free Ball, Hexa, Elevate or Level

PhoenixWing/TyrannoBeat/WhaleWave/AeroPegasus cannot be used with the ratchets: 9-60
Bits: Rush/Low Flat/Low Rush

This would still allow players to use the fan favorites while also encouraging players to think outside the box, this list can obviously be adjusted as results change but for the most part it’s pretty fair for the current meta game.

Although I originally wanted a system like this for standard, this really only works to nerf Dragoon and nothing else. A lot of meta parts can work by slapping anything on them, so like others have said, players will just work around the bans to find the most optimal builds and let the issue persist.

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Greetings WBO tournament go-ers,

There has been much discussion about the current state of the metagame in the standard X format, and how newer releases are given little chance to shine. The current metagame is defined by around a dozen Blades, and there have been calls to ban 1 or 2 of these Blades, but I believe that to be a half measure that would allow other Blades within those 12 or so Blades to dominate instead, changing little. I also believe rules such as the Limited Rule to be half measures as well, as they do not truly change parts diversity or Blade usage rates.

However, banning a dozen Blades in standard is absurd, and creates an entirely new Ranked format: hence why I am proposing the creation of a lower power format called X Limited. There have already been several regions fielding banlists of their own in unranked events, and implementing their own special rules. The idea is to have a restricted list of Blades, on par with the power level prior to PhoenixWing being released and changing the state of the game. This also means removing meta favourites like WizardRod, to allow for more diverse Stamina Blade picks and interactions.

In regards with new parts being released, I would suggest keeping all new Blades banned until testing proves them to be weak enough to allow into the format.

Tentative: Proposed Banned Parts in Beyblade X Limited Format

• AeroPegasus (Aero Pegasus)
  
• CobaltDragoon (Cobalt Dragoon)
  
• CobaltDrake
  
• DranBuster (Buster Dran)
  
• GolemRock
  
• ImpactDrake
  
• KnightMail
  
• PhoenixWing (Soar Phoenix)
  
• Roar Tyranno
  
• SamuraiSaber
  
• SilverWolf (Sterling Wolf)
  
• TyrannoBeat (Beat Tyranno)
  
• WhaleWave (Tide Whale)
  
• WizardRod (Wand Wizard)
  

I should clarify I’m not against this proposal, I always welcome new formats as it’s just another way to enjoy the game in a new way. However, banning just Blades doesn’t necessarily balance the meta, it just shifts the meta and I feel like it might deter people who just legitimately like using those blades listed… for instance, I wouldn’t be able to use Stock DranBuster anymore, which, I don’t think anyone is complaining about that being meta in the slightest. Even if Rod is banned, you will still get spamina in different forms, such as Scythe on Ball. I’m part of a team that competes regularly (several times a week) and we usually have anywhere from 3-8 members that attend said tournaments, so we have LOTS of matchups and experience that we get to video review/discuss post tournaments every week. We are constantly having to fight meta decks, “rouge” or “off meta” picks, and everything in between, but what we all agree on is that the Blades aren’t the dominant force, it’s the overused combos that people use them on. Part of my philosophy with the aforementioned combo ban idea is that players might not even want to use specific meta parts anymore if they don’t get to use it on the meta combos that they’re so heavily reliant on. Anyways thanks for reading this if you did and please keep it professional in the replies, at the end of the day it’s just hypothetical open discussion and spinning tops. Thanks :)

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Brief intro to give some insight on my viewpoint:

Been competing since October 2024, topping the ranks while having never touched meta once (just stock Drans) being one of the most active competitive players in FL, competed in other regions as well, the biggest being Beyblade South in Texas comprising of over 100+ players.

I would say it makes more sense to ban the use of specific meta combos and not necessarily the parts themselves. What makes things meta in X is the specific combos that have over saturated the current game that carries a lot of people to the top. It’s not the Blades specifically that are the problem, it’s the COMBINATIONS. The most prevalent and overused across WBO and Japan being the obvious WizardRod Ball and Ball Variants/Alternatives Phoenix/Tyranno on Rush/LowRush/Low Flat, and of course Dragoon on Elevate.

My ideal game balancer wouldn’t be to ban specific parts but to ban the following combinations

CobaltDragoon cannot be used with the following:
Bits: Hexa, Glide, Elevate or Level.

Rod/Wolf/Pegasus cannot be used with the following…
Ratchets: 9-60
Bits: Ball, Orb, Free Ball, Hexa, Elevate or Level

PhoenixWing/TyrannoBeat/WhaleWave/AeroPegasus cannot be used with the ratchets: 9-60
Bits: Rush/Low Flat/Low Rush

This would still allow players to use the fan favorites while also encouraging players to think outside the box, this list can obviously be adjusted as results change but for the most part it’s pretty fair for the current meta game.

Although I originally wanted a system like this for standard, this really only works to nerf Dragoon and nothing else. A lot of meta parts can work by slapping anything on them, so like others have said, players will just work around the bans to find the most optimal builds and let the issue persist.

Thank you for your polite and professional response 🙇‍♂️

I should clarify I’m not against this proposal, I always welcome new formats as it’s just another way to enjoy the game in a new way. However, banning just Blades doesn’t necessarily balance the meta, it just shifts the meta and I feel like it might deter people who just legitimately like using those blades listed… for instance, I wouldn’t be able to use Stock DranBuster anymore, which, I don’t think anyone is complaining about that being meta in the slightest. Even if Rod is banned, you will still get spamina in different forms, such as Scythe on Ball. I’m part of a team that competes regularly (several times a week) and we usually have anywhere from 3-8 members that attend said tournaments, so we have LOTS of matchups and experience that we get to video review/discuss post tournaments every week. We are constantly having to fight meta decks, “rouge” or “off meta” picks, and everything in between, but what we all agree on is that the Blades aren’t the dominant force, it’s the overused combos that people use them on. Part of my philosophy with the aforementioned combo ban idea is that players might not even want to use specific meta parts anymore if they don’t get to use it on the meta combos that they’re so heavily reliant on. Anyways thanks for reading this if you did and please keep it professional in the replies, at the end of the day it’s just hypothetical open discussion and spinning tops. Thanks

The introduction of this format is not to "balance the standard meta". That is not the goal.
Limited formats get to have a new and different meta, where yes, certain parts are removed to create an entirely different meta with parts of a similar caliber.
If you want to keep using your favorite meta parts, play standard. 
You sound like you are really advocating for banning specific combos from the Standard meta, and if so, there should be a different discussion for that.

I should clarify I’m not against this proposal, I always welcome new formats as it’s just another way to enjoy the game in a new way. However, banning just Blades doesn’t necessarily balance the meta, it just shifts the meta and I feel like it might deter people who just legitimately like using those blades listed… for instance, I wouldn’t be able to use Stock DranBuster anymore, which, I don’t think anyone is complaining about that being meta in the slightest. Even if Rod is banned, you will still get spamina in different forms, such as Scythe on Ball. I’m part of a team that competes regularly (several times a week) and we usually have anywhere from 3-8 members that attend said tournaments, so we have LOTS of matchups and experience that we get to video review/discuss post tournaments every week. We are constantly having to fight meta decks, “rouge” or “off meta” picks, and everything in between, but what we all agree on is that the Blades aren’t the dominant force, it’s the overused combos that people use them on. Part of my philosophy with the aforementioned combo ban idea is that players might not even want to use specific meta parts anymore if they don’t get to use it on the meta combos that they’re so heavily reliant on. Anyways thanks for reading this if you did and please keep it professional in the replies, at the end of the day it’s just hypothetical open discussion and spinning tops. Thanks

"banning just Blades doesn’t necessarily balance the meta"
Like Bluess said, in terms of "balancing" the meta when banning blades specifically, the goal is not to balance certain aspects of the exiting meta, but to instead create an entirely new balanced meta. If you ban hyper specific combos, it won't create a new format, just destroy the existing one. It won't force players to change their blade picks like you are suggesting it will.

"Even if Rod is banned, you will still get spamina in different forms, such as Scythe on Ball."
This is simply not the case. Scythe performed generally poorly at the limited event on Saturday. There are many valid stamina choices in Limited that are kept in check by attackers. This is exactly as it should be. 

"...constantly having to fight... “rouge” or “off meta” picks"
Limited is not being created becuase of Standard complaints from the community. This needs to be made very clear because for some reason it is being percieved as such. Underutilized blades get seen all the time. They absolutely have the capacity to make it to the top 3 winning combos, no one is saying that they don't. 

Instead, think of it like baking. If you bake a cake, you have this long list of ingredients, and make something delicious out of them. Take a handful of those ingredients away, and you can make something like creme brulee. Two entirely different deserts, both very delicious. Will some people prefer one over the other? Sure! Are they comparable to one another? Not at all! It's essentially the same thing. 

Two entirely different formats with different parts and approaches. Some will like BXL more, some will like BXS more; not because they don't like flour or frosting, but because they love the taste of flan.

Got a little lost in the metaphor there, but I hope this helps your understanding.

I should clarify I’m not against this proposal, I always welcome new formats as it’s just another way to enjoy the game in a new way. However, banning just Blades doesn’t necessarily balance the meta, it just shifts the meta and I feel like it might deter people who just legitimately like using those blades listed… for instance, I wouldn’t be able to use Stock DranBuster anymore, which, I don’t think anyone is complaining about that being meta in the slightest. Even if Rod is banned, you will still get spamina in different forms, such as Scythe on Ball. I’m part of a team that competes regularly (several times a week) and we usually have anywhere from 3-8 members that attend said tournaments, so we have LOTS of matchups and experience that we get to video review/discuss post tournaments every week. We are constantly having to fight meta decks, “rouge” or “off meta” picks, and everything in between, but what we all agree on is that the Blades aren’t the dominant force, it’s the overused combos that people use them on. Part of my philosophy with the aforementioned combo ban idea is that players might not even want to use specific meta parts anymore if they don’t get to use it on the meta combos that they’re so heavily reliant on. Anyways thanks for reading this if you did and please keep it professional in the replies, at the end of the day it’s just hypothetical open discussion and spinning tops. Thanks

The introduction of this format is not to "balance the standard meta". That is not the goal.
Limited formats get to have a new and different meta, where yes, certain parts are removed to create an entirely different meta with parts of a similar caliber.
If you want to keep using your favorite meta parts, play standard. 
You sound like you are really advocating for banning specific combos from the Standard meta, and if so, there should be a different discussion for that.

I see what you are saying. However it seems you missed my own point. I do not use the meta so that wouldn’t apply to me, I am just also sharing my own take on a limited format. I would never push to ban anything in the standard format.

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I should clarify I’m not against this proposal, I always welcome new formats as it’s just another way to enjoy the game in a new way. However, banning just Blades doesn’t necessarily balance the meta, it just shifts the meta and I feel like it might deter people who just legitimately like using those blades listed… for instance, I wouldn’t be able to use Stock DranBuster anymore, which, I don’t think anyone is complaining about that being meta in the slightest. Even if Rod is banned, you will still get spamina in different forms, such as Scythe on Ball. I’m part of a team that competes regularly (several times a week) and we usually have anywhere from 3-8 members that attend said tournaments, so we have LOTS of matchups and experience that we get to video review/discuss post tournaments every week. We are constantly having to fight meta decks, “rouge” or “off meta” picks, and everything in between, but what we all agree on is that the Blades aren’t the dominant force, it’s the overused combos that people use them on. Part of my philosophy with the aforementioned combo ban idea is that players might not even want to use specific meta parts anymore if they don’t get to use it on the meta combos that they’re so heavily reliant on. Anyways thanks for reading this if you did and please keep it professional in the replies, at the end of the day it’s just hypothetical open discussion and spinning tops. Thanks

"banning just Blades doesn’t necessarily balance the meta"
Like Bluess said, in terms of "balancing" the meta when banning blades specifically, the goal is not to balance certain aspects of the exiting meta, but to instead create an entirely new balanced meta. If you ban hyper specific combos, it won't create a new format, just destroy the existing one. It won't force players to change their blade picks like you are suggesting it will.

"Even if Rod is banned, you will still get spamina in different forms, such as Scythe on Ball."
This is simply not the case. Scythe performed generally poorly at the limited event on Saturday. There are many valid stamina choices in Limited that are kept in check by attackers. This is exactly as it should be. 

"...constantly having to fight... “rouge” or “off meta” picks"
Limited is not being created becuase of Standard complaints from the community. This needs to be made very clear because for some reason it is being percieved as such. Underutilized blades get seen all the time. They absolutely have the capacity to make it to the top 3 winning combos, no one is saying that they don't. 

Instead, think of it like baking. If you bake a cake, you have this long list of ingredients, and make something delicious out of them. Take a handful of those ingredients away, and you can make something like creme brulee. Two entirely different deserts, both very delicious. Will some people prefer one over the other? Sure! Are they comparable to one another? Not at all! It's essentially the same thing. 

Two entirely different formats with different parts and approaches. Some will like BXL more, some will like BXS more; not because they don't like flour or frosting, but because they love the taste of flan.

Got a little lost in the metaphor there, but I hope this helps your understanding.

I like this breakdown and how you differentiate the intents/takes of the different formats. I think my point is misunderstood, or I just didn’t make it clear. I think that Limited can be more creative than just banning Blades. Rather, if specific combinations of parts are banned, then everyone still has access to every part, but now innovation is encouraged by stepping outside of the comfort zone of typical meta builds. I also left room for suggestions and changes as need be, for instance if KnightMail on Rush needs to be included or Samurai/Scythe on Ball.

"banning just Blades doesn’t necessarily balance the meta"
Like Bluess said, in terms of "balancing" the meta when banning blades specifically, the goal is not to balance certain aspects of the exiting meta, but to instead create an entirely new balanced meta. If you ban hyper specific combos, it won't create a new format, just destroy the existing one. It won't force players to change their blade picks like you are suggesting it will.

"Even if Rod is banned, you will still get spamina in different forms, such as Scythe on Ball."
This is simply not the case. Scythe performed generally poorly at the limited event on Saturday. There are many valid stamina choices in Limited that are kept in check by attackers. This is exactly as it should be. 

"...constantly having to fight... “rouge” or “off meta” picks"
Limited is not being created becuase of Standard complaints from the community. This needs to be made very clear because for some reason it is being percieved as such. Underutilized blades get seen all the time. They absolutely have the capacity to make it to the top 3 winning combos, no one is saying that they don't. 

Instead, think of it like baking. If you bake a cake, you have this long list of ingredients, and make something delicious out of them. Take a handful of those ingredients away, and you can make something like creme brulee. Two entirely different deserts, both very delicious. Will some people prefer one over the other? Sure! Are they comparable to one another? Not at all! It's essentially the same thing. 

Two entirely different formats with different parts and approaches. Some will like BXL more, some will like BXS more; not because they don't like flour or frosting, but because they love the taste of flan.

Got a little lost in the metaphor there, but I hope this helps your understanding.

I like this breakdown and how you differentiate the intents/takes of the different formats. I think my point is misunderstood, or I just didn’t make it clear. I think that Limited can be more creative than just banning Blades. Rather, if specific combinations of parts are banned, then everyone still has access to every part, but now innovation is encouraged by stepping outside of the comfort zone of typical meta builds. I also left room for suggestions and changes as need be, for instance if KnightMail on Rush needs to be included or Samurai/Scythe on Ball.

To the best of my knowledge, limited formats have historically aimed to only utilize part banlists wherever possible, and banning part combinations or full combos is kept to a bare minimum except in extreme circumstances. This is the case with Diablo BD145 in MFB 4D and F230CF/GCF in MFB Zero-G, which afaik are the only two part combination bans out of all of the WBO's existing formats, and there are no full-combo bans.
Bans also usually consist largely of that generation's blade equivalent, since their weight and contact points tend to have the most significant impact on play. Though there have definitely been some... exceptions to this rule in the past (RDF, BDR), the logic usually remains the same: a great blade on a bad bit is still a great blade, a bad blade on a great bit might become marginally better.

For example, Wizard Rod. If you don't want to ban the blade, but the meta combos it runs with, what do you ban? WR on 9-60 and 9-70 is easy enough, but what about bits? Well, there's Ball, Free Ball, Orb, Hexa, Level, Rush, Low Rush exists now too, Low Orb is coming out soon... the list just keeps going, and you constantly have to update it as new parts are released. It's quicker, easier, shorter for the rulebooks and simpler for players to just ban the blade that causes the problem and move on to other things.

It's not a matter of being creative, it's a matter of efficiency; both for rule length and clarity, as well as for allowing older and underpowered parts a chance to shine.

To the best of my knowledge, limited formats have historically aimed to only utilize part banlists wherever possible, and banning part combinations or full combos is kept to a bare minimum except in extreme circumstances. This is the case with Diablo BD145 in MFB 4D and F230CF/GCF in MFB Zero-G, which afaik are the only two part combination bans out of all of the WBO's existing formats, and there are no full-combo bans.
Bans also usually consist largely of that generation's blade equivalent, since their weight and contact points tend to have the most significant impact on play. Though there have definitely been some... exceptions to this rule in the past (RDF, BDR), the logic usually remains the same: a great blade on a bad bit is still a great blade, a bad blade on a great bit might become marginally better.

For example, Wizard Rod. If you don't want to ban the blade, but the meta combos it runs with, what do you ban? WR on 9-60 and 9-70 is easy enough, but what about bits? Well, there's Ball, Free Ball, Orb, Hexa, Level, Rush, Low Rush exists now too, Low Orb is coming out soon... the list just keeps going, and you constantly have to update it as new parts are released. It's quicker, easier, shorter for the rulebooks and simpler for players to just ban the blade that causes the problem and move on to other things.

It's not a matter of being creative, it's a matter of efficiency; both for rule length and clarity, as well as for allowing older and underpowered parts a chance to shine.

Thank you, I couldn’t have put it any better myself.

I like this breakdown and how you differentiate the intents/takes of the different formats. I think my point is misunderstood, or I just didn’t make it clear. I think that Limited can be more creative than just banning Blades. Rather, if specific combinations of parts are banned, then everyone still has access to every part, but now innovation is encouraged by stepping outside of the comfort zone of typical meta builds. I also left room for suggestions and changes as need be, for instance if KnightMail on Rush needs to be included or Samurai/Scythe on Ball.

To the best of my knowledge, limited formats have historically aimed to only utilize part banlists wherever possible, and banning part combinations or full combos is kept to a bare minimum except in extreme circumstances. This is the case with Diablo BD145 in MFB 4D and F230CF/GCF in MFB Zero-G, which afaik are the only two part combination bans out of all of the WBO's existing formats, and there are no full-combo bans.
Bans also usually consist largely of that generation's blade equivalent, since their weight and contact points tend to have the most significant impact on play. Though there have definitely been some... exceptions to this rule in the past (RDF, BDR), the logic usually remains the same: a great blade on a bad bit is still a great blade, a bad blade on a great bit might become marginally better.

For example, Wizard Rod. If you don't want to ban the blade, but the meta combos it runs with, what do you ban? WR on 9-60 and 9-70 is easy enough, but what about bits? Well, there's Ball, Free Ball, Orb, Hexa, Level, Rush, Low Rush exists now too, Low Orb is coming out soon... the list just keeps going, and you constantly have to update it as new parts are released. It's quicker, easier, shorter for the rulebooks and simpler for players to just ban the blade that causes the problem and move on to other things.

It's not a matter of being creative, it's a matter of efficiency; both for rule length and clarity, as well as for allowing older and underpowered parts a chance to shine.

Just because something used to be done before doesn’t mean it can’t change or be experimented with. Beyblade X is completely different from Metal Fight. Also, you can read the part combos I listed in my initial post above, thank you for your reply. Remember this is just my take on a limited format. I do not mean to detract from the original users post.

MiXZetsu 

Your take on an untested, experimental way of conducting a limited format is not what this thread is about. Please make a new thread and let us know how your own experimental format works out. Very interested to see how it goes.