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A Boost For Defense! Using a Worn RF For Defense!

Jan. 16, 2011  9:25 AM
 
I know this has been known for a while, but it has never been taken seriously.
I was trying to find a use for my already past its prime state RF's, and found that they have exceptional Defensive capabilities.
Testing
Conditions
MFB Attack Stadium
RF slightly past its prime state for the Defense bey, slightly worn RF for the Attack bey
Beylauncher w/ grip for Earth Cancer, Beylauncher-L for Lightning L-Drago
Both at full power launch
Earth mold 2
MF Earth Cancer GB145RF VS MF Lightning L-Drago 90RF
Defensive RF: 13
Offensive RF: 7
Defensive RF's wins all by OS except for 1 lucky KO
Defensive RF WR: 65%


What I noticed during the testing was that the RF Defense Combo sometimes moved fast enough to evade the Offensive RF Combo's attacks. Also, it has a significantly low amount of stamina, but still enough to OS most Attack combos. It LITERALLY deflects the attacks. (again, LITERALLY)


Same conditions as previous testing
MF Earth Cancer GB145RF VS MF Lightning L-Drago CH120RF
Defensive RF: 15
Offensive RF: 5
Defensive RF WR: 75%
All OS


It did better against Mid-Height Attack because RF is tall, and the Low-Height Attack combo destabilized the Defensive RF combo, whereas the Mid-Height Attack combo just did pure hits.

Done again, same conditions:
MF-H Earth Cancer GB145RF VS MF Lightning L-Drago 85XF
Defensive RF: 13
XF Attack Combo: 7
Defensive RF WR: 65%

Again, the attack combo destabilized the Defense combo, but slightny more effictively now, since the Attack Combo won by a larger margin due to it being much lower than before - going to 85 and XF, both shorter parts than previously used ones. More testing would be appreciated. Thanks.

Other Member's Testing
Azlanslayer
(Feb. 12, 2011  11:37 AM)Azlanslayer Wrote: Testing asked by JellyBoy

Standard Setup

Vulcan:

MF Vulcan Horuseus 90R2F vs MF Earth Bull GB145RF (Worn)
MF Vulcan Horuseus: 2 wins
MF Earth Bull: 8 wins

MF Vulcan Horuseus 90RF vs MF Earth Bull GB145RF (Worn)
MF Vulcan Horuseus: 6 wins
MF Earth Bull: 4 wins

Ray:

Ray Unicorno 100R2F Vs MF Earth Bull GB145RF (Worn)
Ray Unicorno: 1 win
MF Earth Bull: 9 wins

Ray Unicorno 100RF Vs MF Earth Bull GB145RF (Worn)
Ray Unicorno: 3 win
MF Earth Bull: 7 wins


Seems Ray is really outclassed. RF does better against worn RF, since there is more control and stamina.
Jan. 16, 2011  9:29 AM
 
Too bad this is Illegal. Nice testing though
Jan. 16, 2011  9:32 AM
 
This is not illegal. I did not make any modifications to my RF, and it has been worn through normal play.
Jan. 16, 2011  9:36 AM
 
The wearing down of parts, even through natural wear, that significantly alters the shape
or performance of the part

Pasted from the WBO official standard rules

This did alter the performance because of the heavy wear, so this is Illegal, please check before you post Uncertain
Jan. 16, 2011  9:36 AM
 
WBO Universal Rule Wrote:Illegal Modification
The following practices are considered illegal modification by the WBO. If a Beyblade part has been subjected to any of the following treatments, it may not be used in WBO sanctioned BeyBattles.
• The wearing down of parts, even through natural wear, that significantly alters the shape or performance of the part.

If your RF is not moving much, it would be classified as illegal.

EDIT: Beaten, hah.
Jan. 16, 2011  9:37 AM
 
It still moves, just not as much as before.
Quote:What I noticed during the testing was that the RF Defense Combo sometimes moved fast enough to evade the Offensive RF Combo's attacks.
Hmph.
Jan. 16, 2011  9:39 AM
 
It is still illegal, since you said it was Heavily worn. Fast enough, is not as fast as it used to be. (If it is heavily worn, it will move significantly alot less, then one that is brand new/slightly worn)

again, don't make a claim that is wrong. (Sorry if this is sounding mean)
Jan. 16, 2011  9:41 AM
 
Ok, we have a misunderstanding here. I will edit the OP to say that the RF that the Defense combo uses is slightly past its prime state.
Jan. 16, 2011  9:42 AM
 
slightly? First you are saying it is FULLY worn, now it is only slightly?
Jan. 16, 2011  9:47 AM
 
Read the OP. OK, maybe I misdescribed the RF at first. It still moves, it still moves so much it sometimes KO's stamina types. Again, I misdescribed the RF. Sorry, okay? But I am not saying that the Defensive RF is slightly worn, because that would be it's prime state. I'm saying the Attack Type's RF is slightly worn, while the Defense Bey's RF is past it's prime state, but still moves. Read it again, you will see. If you want to continue this discussion, take it to PM.
Jan. 16, 2011  9:50 AM
 
I'm gonna leave this thread with this post, because it appears you are in denial (no offense) about discovering your combo is Illegal, so I'm gonna let the other future readers of this tell you, and then maybe you will believe it.
Edit:plus, when people use the line take it to PM, its usually to mean you are being off topic. The discussion of your RF is not off topic, if you are going to use a phrase, learn what it means plz
Jan. 16, 2011  2:13 PM
 
This has already been reported several times. You need to describe the condition of your RF more. How long can it stay moving without stopping? If it's less than 5 seconds, then I'd say it's illegal. The only reason it hasn't been taken seriously is because there are so many safer alternatives to this (in terms of legal VS illegal), such as RS and RSF.

The best way to show us the condition of your RF is to show us a video of testing.

Honestly, if it weren't for McFrown's video, this thread would have been toast by now.
Jan. 16, 2011  2:15 PM
 
Hell,does that mean we have to buy loads of beyblades and switch a new one every single second?
If the bottom is out of its prime state,so do we need to throw it away immediately ,wasting our money?
Jan. 16, 2011  3:18 PM
 
Rubber bottoms wear down. Live with it. You don't have to chuck it if it still works the way it's supposed to.
Jan. 16, 2011  4:16 PM
 
Haha, this means my R2F is legal; It spins for a decent amount of time (20 seconds) but is in a state where it cannot be smashed away easily. Can I post results of my little arrangement here? C:
Edit: It is just real worn, everything else is good.
Jan. 16, 2011  4:22 PM
 
No. It has been said several times already including by a MOD that this isn't legal. If a part performs differently than the way it is supposed to then it is illegal even if it's from proper use.
Jan. 16, 2011  4:23 PM
 
Did you not read what I said? It still performs properly.
Jan. 16, 2011  4:24 PM
 
Same here. My RF is illegal. *sob* Unhappy
Jan. 16, 2011  4:46 PM
 
(Jan. 16, 2011  4:23 PM)Dan Wrote: Did you not read what I said? It still performs properly.

Great... But that really has very little to do with this thread.
Jan. 16, 2011  5:02 PM
 
.. 'Using a worn RF for defense'
Oh shoot! You're right, what was I thinking using an R2F.
Jan. 16, 2011  5:33 PM
 
If your RF or R2F is worn enough to work well for defence then it's illegal. Also I think you're basing too much on what Okiblaze said about the 5 seconds thing.
Jan. 16, 2011  5:46 PM
 
Okay, I won't lean on information given by moderators.
Forget it. :V
Jan. 16, 2011  8:40 PM
 
You can use a totally legal a bit past-prime RF for this and it still works fine, it just gets outspun a ton.
XF destroys this though.
Jan. 16, 2011  8:55 PM
 
will test it then. Though not the best combo for XF:

MF-H Earth Bull C145RF vs. Vulcan Horuseus 100XF
MF-H Earth Bull C145RF win rate: 5/10
Vulcan Horuseus 100XF win rate: 5/10

I will test against HWS Drago's.

MF-H Earth Bull C145RF vs. Meteo LDrago 100XF
MF-H Earth Bull C145RF win rate: 4/10
Meteo LDrago 100XF win rate: 6/10

Not too bad though.
Jan. 17, 2011  12:33 AM
 
Again...
Quote:What I noticed during the testing was that the RF Defense Combo sometimes moved fast enough to evade the Offensive RF Combo's attacks.
Gah. And yes, the Offensive RF is in PRIME STATE!!! Which means that the defensive RF is, like Mc Frown said,
Quote:a totally legal a bit past-prime RF for this and it still works fine, it just gets outspun a ton.
It has horrid Stamina though.
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