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State of the WBO

Sep. 05, 2011  5:09 AM
 
It has come to my attention, and to many others the state of the WBO. It has become somewhat of an "superiority complex" organization now.I hate using the word elitist, but I can't seem to find another word appropriate enough for it. I understand that this is a professional organization, but it has gone a bit out of hand in some aspects. These are not just MY opinion, but of a select handful of people I'm in contact with constantly, and of other here as well.

1. Beyblade is a hobby with spinning tops. Here we take that to a new level. Sometimes, it feels as if we take it too far, such as combos, whether they're good or not. Everyone can understand that a thread for a combo such as Ray Pegasis 145WB, or something like that, is something that it totally outclassed, and bad. That's understandable that it should be closed without further dispute. As an example of a BETTER combo, take for earlier today (not: this is an example, not what I am basing it off of) MF-H Basalt (I forgot :\) TH170MB. Because of the fact that it didn't receive good testing results against certain combos, it was thrown aside as more or less, a "useless" combo. There are some combos I believe that aren't top tier, and I couldn't agree more with this being not top tier. However, there's that "middle" section of combos that aren't so bad, but not so good. I would consider this one of those, and that the thread should not be closed, because it is using some good parts. True, it may not be using the BEST parts suited for it's type. Things like MF-H Basalt ___ BD145CS, MF VariAres CH120RF, and MF Basalt/Scythe ___BD145EDS/CS are ruling the metagame in all of their aspects. If a combo cannot beat them, that combo is almost always put aside and said not good enough/fit for what it is intended for.

This is regarding the state of the metagame, more or less, and why some combos shouldn't be tossed aside as not good material.

2. As for the "superiority complex" part, it is very obvious to many of us that the WBO has become more uptight in terms of things, I guess you could say. There are certain attitudes in people here that really need to lose it. It has mostly to do with their ego. Lately peoples ego's have sparked arguments between many of the more advanced members. The WBO is general, has become moreso something that will scare off new members with all of this kind of stuff. We need more members, and good ones at that. If we scare them off, what's the point then? These "smarter members" act like they own the place, and act like other members, while in many times true, act like they are superior to them. That is a problem that I believe should be dealt with.

3. Does our position/power really give us an excuse? If you're a moderator, an advanced member, a regular member, or even a member that is disliked/a "bad" member in general, does that exempt you from the rules? The point of the WBO is to be an official fair sanctonizing body for beyblade, but what is the point if even our forum aren't fair? Moderators and Advanced Members, are treated as higher established members and they are, but in doing so, it seems as if they are exempt from some certain rules at times. I can't point out any specific times in particular, but I know that they have higher and more prestige ranks than us, but really, we're treated a bit unfairly. For example; I know that a member named "Pockyx3" has had a problem when hosting "Project Beyhem 2.0!" Which involved him forgetting to write down the order of matches. However, while this shouldn't be excused, a member of the comittee named "Kei" has also "forgotten"/threw out a piece of paper which contained tournament results. Now, the current question is; why has Pockyx3 been punished when our moderator Kei has been exempted?
NOTE: Pockyx3 has not asked me to do any of this, he only gave me information. This is also not an "attack" on Kei. He just happened to be strongest example.

I would also like to note that I am biased in many ways, due to personal morals, but I have tried to encompass mine, along with everyone else opinions. I al also hypocritical, so please, forgive me if you find me acting against what I have said here, we're not all perfect.

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Sep. 05, 2011  5:16 AM
 
Hmmm,interesting...,pretty good
Sep. 05, 2011  5:19 AM
 
If anyone thinks these three points really apply to me, let me know in a private message. Otherwise, I could focus more on observing these in others.

Just so I know if the owner is corrupted or not, hah.
Sep. 05, 2011  5:21 AM
 
(Sep. 05, 2011  5:09 AM)Raigeko13 Wrote: I am also hypocritical, so please, forgive me if you find me acting against what I have said here, we're not all perfect.

And I was about to say "It's pretty ironic you should write about superiority complexes, when you look at your regular noob-bashing".
Sep. 05, 2011  5:22 AM
 
Yes, that's one of the things I was talking about. I am a hypocrite, and I'm not going to deny it, haha.
Sep. 05, 2011  5:30 AM
 
But yeah. All in all, this is pretty well written; I've noticed the rise in members being unnecessarily harsh on other members because they want to look superior as well. (Not to say I've never done this, but you catch my drift.)
Sep. 05, 2011  5:42 AM
 
And that's why I made this; to make them more aware of that, hell even I need a good boost of it. As for the professional part, I think that we should have more casual tourneys, instead of just all professional ones.
Sep. 05, 2011  5:45 AM
 
Great point rai I no that I am sometimes a bit mean towards the people who make bad combos and such , so I will try to work on that but the advanced member thing is a great point
I remember H8R made a point and Watzzer kept dismissing it because yamislayer said other wise .

Thanks for this Rai Smile
Sep. 05, 2011  5:46 AM
 
(Sep. 05, 2011  5:42 AM)Raigeko13 Wrote: As for the professional part, I think that we should have more casual tourneys, instead of just all professional ones.

What do you mean ? We can only have approved tournaments, so what would be the difference ?
Sep. 05, 2011  5:47 AM
 
(Sep. 05, 2011  5:30 AM)Greimatter Wrote: But yeah. All in all, this is pretty well written; I've noticed the rise in members being unnecessarily harsh on other members because they want to look superior as well. (Not to say I've never done this, but you catch my drift.)

Well yup this is something that has to be dealt with...If a new guy comes in and makes an unnecessary thread...People are like "the mods will ban you" or "I'll report this thread"...After seeing this I'm pretty much sure that user would never log in again! People need to be more gentle with new members...If they commit a mistake once, people should rectify it in a gentle way and both the new member and the one who posted would turn out to be happy...
Sep. 05, 2011  5:51 AM
 
(Sep. 05, 2011  5:46 AM)Kai-V Wrote:
(Sep. 05, 2011  5:42 AM)Raigeko13 Wrote: As for the professional part, I think that we should have more casual tourneys, instead of just all professional ones.

What do you mean ? We can only have approved tournaments, so what would be the difference ?

Ehh, that was just really a suggestion from one of my friends. I agreed with it, so I just posted it. But it makes sense to only have approved tournaments, so I guess there wouldn't be a difference, haha.
Sep. 05, 2011  5:57 AM
 
(Sep. 05, 2011  5:09 AM)Raigeko13 Wrote: 1. Things like MF-H Basalt ___ BD145CS, MF VariAres CH120/BD145RF, and MF Basalt/Scythe ___BD145EDS/CS are ruling the metagame in all of their aspects. If a combo cannot beat them, that combo is almost always put aside and said not good enough/fit for what it is intended for.
Fixed, lol

We never did that though. I need to explain something:

What he says has value, but take a look. Kei and the Advanced Members are having really heated discussions now and then of the Competitive MFB Combos. I wish though, that some combinations could be considered useful IN ANOTHER THREAD, and the current best in the Competitive MFB one...

Sep. 05, 2011  7:55 AM
 
Yeah, I noticed in June, there were about 5 threads that weren't where they were suppose to be, didn't deserve their own their own thread, etc. And a someone said something like "You are going to get in trouble with the mods" or "This is stupid, reported". And I checked a week or so ago, and they haven't logged on since.

I totally agree with you Raigeko13 the Hypocrite.
Sep. 05, 2011  9:33 AM
 
Hmmm, good point. Stuff like... well I don't know, havnt checked any page after2 in custimication forums are just thron aside. Pretty decent combos will just get more hidden by other combos and no one looks through tons of pages of combos( Like me )
Sep. 05, 2011  12:48 PM
 
I was thinking about a thread like this. I agree with most that you have said.

1. We do strive for professionalism on the WBO so combos that require their own thread should be pretty darn good. The moderately good ones don't really require their own thread but can be posted in the other threads to post combos. What I think we need to do with moderately good ones is say "it's ok" instead of shutting them right down and the problem is how we deal with it. Members shouldn't just go "It sucks carp" (unless it is really outdated). We just need to say "it's ok but it doesn't require its own thread".

2. I guess I said this in the last point and I agree that there are members who intimidate people shutting them down and making them never want to come back on. However I do see some more encouraging members then when I first arrived so it isn't all bad.

3. This part is true. I think the more experienced members get off with a lot more than newer ones. We need to treat everyone as equals as you never know the new guy who just signed up might just be the next mod. Sometimes don't challenge advanced members but if you do have a lot of back up and can prove them wrong then you probably are quite a decent member but mostly these debates are cut off straight away thinking that advanced members or mods are always right. Rising members often aren't given a chance.
Sep. 05, 2011  1:01 PM
 
I completely Agree with you, Rai.

Who knows? maybe Dark has hidden potential?(Probably not Speechless) Yet I still don't understand why we Spoil around people who makes bad combos. we can always help them Uncertain

The people here are Indeed strict, yet their strictness is an understanding. We must be a bit polite, not like the usual "that bey sucks carp", it should be "The Bey you made is pretty awful, but we can help you"

I also agree with the unfairness of the WBO. every member must be treated with respect and be disciplined fairly. If what you said is true(No offence to you two. nothing personal here, OK?), then what's the point of being fair?

we should Fix the problems ASAP. just think of the new generation going to us Speechless
Sep. 05, 2011  1:11 PM
 
Point 3 is totally true. I have another example of that happening.
Sep. 05, 2011  1:14 PM
 
(Sep. 05, 2011  12:48 PM)RowDog Wrote: 3. This part is true. I think the more experienced members get off with a lot more than newer ones. We need to treat everyone as equals as you never know the new guy who just signed up might just be the next mod. Sometimes don't challenge advanced members but if you do have a lot of back up and can prove them wrong then you probably are quite a decent member but mostly these debates are cut off straight away thinking that advanced members or mods are always right. Rising members often aren't given a chance.

I notice whenever I give my opinion to others in the customizations forum they decide to not explain their opinion at all when I am interested in what they have to say. Really boring just because I have some italics on my name no one decides to share their own ideas as if what I've said is set in stone or something when what I'm usually interested in is others opinions and thoughts. :V

/tangent lol
Sep. 05, 2011  1:23 PM
 
Maybe they are too scared to.
Sep. 05, 2011  1:30 PM
 
It's like tyranny all over again Speechless

Well, for me, The newbies don't care. The freshmen Care's a bit. the sophomores are already having fear, the juniors Fear to the seniors.


here's what I mean:
The newbies just stand there posting stuff that should not have been done. the people who just joined(like beybladeking1)
The freshmen already knows the rules, yet still spams. the people who stayed here for about 3 months(?)
The sophomores are little mods, trying to coach the newbies. the people who stayed here for about 5 months(that's me and Rai)
The Juniors are the people who knows the main problems. the advance members(Dan's the best example)
lastly, The seniors are the Mods and the admin, who solve the problems(I pretty much know everyone here knows every mod here, correct?)

the Juniors and the seniors are the most feared ones Speechless
Sep. 05, 2011  2:24 PM
 
(Sep. 05, 2011  5:09 AM)Raigeko13 Wrote: These "smarter members" act like they own the place, and act like other members, while in many times true, act like they are superior to them. That is a problem that I believe should be dealt with.

I am a huge factor in that one. In the "Your Creations!" forum, I really think we're too harsh on all of the n00bs that make "stories." I've brought this up a few times, but it's always countered with "For their own good" or "It will help in the long run." But really, what if your parents treated you like that when you wrote something? Would you strive to do better or just feel so bad about all of the people telling you you're no good and give up?
Sep. 05, 2011  2:48 PM
 
Erm, my stories have been rejected, told they plain suck, and I've been told that if I kept writing bad to quit. Instead, I got better at it. At least we try to explain what is wrong instead of saying "This sucks." While I agree with all of the points in the OP, is ego really the issue in the Your Creations forum? Yeah, I rant. But there is some good out of it. EXAMPLE: I went on a minor rant against one member, T.L Drago, a while ago, and he's actually a pretty good writer now.

On the rest of the WBO: Eh, maybe we do need to stop with the egotistical act. But we can't sugarcoat everything. If someone has been here a whole two months and still SPAMs like it is their first day, then yeah, someone's going to get annoyed. Guaranteed. If someone gets annoyed, sarcasm will come into play. But this wouldn't be an issue if people would READ THE RULES. Not saying I did, I didn't. But because of this, in 5 months, I had a 60% warning level. That was because nobody was blunt enough to say: "Dude, you're being a moron. Quit the SPAM." Yes, we should lay off on the newbies FOR A WHILE. Once they hit a certain mark where they are supposed to know the rules, well... "This bey sucks, dude." is totally plausible for a member that's been here a month and suggests Poison Bull 100S. My opinion. Ease up until they are expected to know the rules.

On Elitism: It is becoming more and more common to see people simply not respond to anyone with an antique face, an Advanced Member, a mod, or an Admin. The instant recognition within the community can go to people's heads for a while. I had some idea about "smarter" members getting away with a lot, namely how they conduct themselves. But when it happens so rarely, as it often is the case, you really don't want to suspend a member that has been an important part of the community, right? (Not my personal view, just what I think is going on.) On the other hand, you have to admit: When a new member makes a mistake, it seems much worse than if an Advanced Member makes one. This in no way excuses the behavior, but mini-modding seems to be an issue too, no?

EDIT: Whoa. Didn't know I typed that much.
Sep. 05, 2011  4:39 PM
 
@"When a new member makes a mistake, it seems much worse than if an Advanced Member makes one. This in no way excuses the behavior, but mini-modding seems to be an issue too, no?"
Yes, I know for a fact I"m guilty of "mini modding" along with many others. I just pointed out that even though, as an example, Kei didn't get warned, but Pockey did. It's sort of like a democracy here, (yay civics class has a use in my brain) it's slated with the title Everyone is Treated Equally and Fairly, but the smaller people really aren't. Personally, I have no problem with this, but I felt it needed to be brought up, due to Pockeys situation, and likely a few others.
Sep. 05, 2011  4:45 PM
 
In essence, all members are equal, but some members are more equal than others. (Hah, Animal Farm quote. Minus the animals.) Is this your point? I was actually off on a tangent there, but now that I think of it, they are kinda connected. A new member makes a mistake, the more experienced ones want to look like they are important parts of keeping the WBO SPAM-free, but they get ahead of themselves. They either go too far, or they miss important details so they don't notice that it really isn't SPAM, just misplaced.
Sep. 05, 2011  5:20 PM
 
Woah, I swear I was just going to write something similar to this in "the State of The Customization Forum".
Then I saw this. Smile

First, I just want to say that I believe the closing of the Basalt TH170MB topic was probably my fault. I thought I was going to explode, the bickering was really out of hand in two topics, and I just unloaded there.

I keep getting the feeling that some people in particular are in need of proving themselves. I noticed that when me, ikmv, Uwik, and byser became advanced members, people started posting like they had to always be right. I got the feeling they felt they were partially more inclined to be advanced members. Which is honestly not a problem to me, that's fine. But the customization forum has become very uptight because of this.

I don't like how some people are in favor of some members, and against others. There's instances -which I prefer not to name- that a member only seems to agree with one member. That person disagrees with everyone else's opinion but his/her own and that other person.

I just don't get it. Why is there a need for this? Why is there a need to be better than the next member? It's pointless. This is different for other people, but for me there's 52 000 people that I don't even know on here. Why is there a need to prove knowledge or worth.

Thank you for this Raigeko13, I really like this. This is the one problem with the WBO right now, and it's not even the WBO's fault.

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