Got Phantom Orion in yesterday.

Aside from battle scenario, alternate objective is to see whether the 7min advertised is REALLY legit or not.

Points to consider:
1) Various MW will be used for solo spin time first.
2) Bearings are fresh. These may take time to fully break in, but given that I only have 2 B:D to play with for now, we'll just test what we could.

Now for the results (time): (Tests are done in chronological order)

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Phantom Orion B:D : 5.41
Scythe Cancer B:D : 4.17
MF-H Scythe Cancer B:D : 4.43
Earth Cancer B:D : 3.38 (wtf)
Hell Cancer B:D : 3.58
MF-H Basalt Hologium B:D : 2.42 (Really aggressive movement due to off center weight. 3cm away from ring out gate).
Libra B:D: 3.17

From InfiniteLibra

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All Right I'm done. (Man that took a while )
Look at my earlier post for conditions
1st: 6.44.15
2nd: 6.50.30
3rd: 7.11.67
4th: 6.58.55
5th: 6.49.27

Avg. 6.628 or 7.03

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I have two sets of data to contribute, height comparisons and solo spin time tests.

Height Comparisons

B:D = 21.48 mm
145 + WD = 19.55 mm
TH170 (170) + WD = 22.12 mm
230 no tip = 22.86 mm
230 + WD = 27.95 mm

With the understanding that a tip must be added to other spin tracks (I used WD as it is similar to B:D's tip portion) the nearest height analog to B:D is TH170WD at the 170 height.

Solo Spin Times (Stock Phantom Orion)
2:38
2:49
3:01
2:58
2:34
2:35
2:36
2:53
2:55
2:28
2:44 Average

What a disappointment! My B:D movement has a "click" at one point in its rotation, so maybe this one is a Dud. If so, I'm pretty PO'd...

But I did order more than one, so I will test another one later today/tomorrow.

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That's very true, I am rather having eccentric behavior, just need to average this all up.

I'm getting 5:00, that is as far as it goes now.

So, with a new Orion B:D I got:

1st: 5:20
2nd: 5:00
3rd: 5:10
4th: 4:50
5th: 5:15

5.00 Average. Exact.

Battle tests:
Due to the B:D possibly not breaking in and severe time constraint, only 10 rounds were conducted. Tests WILL be redone again once the B:D are have broken in as results should be fairly different.

Edit: All tests were done with bey launchers and by 2 people with rotation. Karabiner grips were used mostly.

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MF-L Meteo L Drago (Absorb) B:D vs MF Basalt Kerbex 230 CS

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MF-L Meteo L Drago (Absorb) B:D : 7OS (7 Wins)
MF Basalt Kerbex 230 CS: 1OS 2KO (3 Wins)
Win Rate: 7:3 (70%)

MF-L Meteo L Drago (Absorb) B:D vs MF Basalt Kerbex BD145 CS

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MF-L Meteo L Drago (Absorb) B:D : 6OS (6 Wins)
MF Basalt Kerbex BD145 CS : 4KO (4 Wins)
Win Rate: 6:4 (60%)
As long as there is no direct Metal contact, Meteo will just spin steal.

MF Basalt Rex B:D vs MF Basalt Kerbex 230 CS

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MF Basalt Rex B:D : 4OS 2KO
MF Basalt Kerbex 230 CS: 2OS 2KO
Win Rate: 6:4 (%60)

MF Basalt Rex B:D vs MF Basalt Kerbex BD145 CS

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MF Basalt Rex B:D : 0 (0 Wins)
MF Basalt Kerbex BD145 CS : 5KO 5OS (10 Wins)
Win Rate: 0:10 (0%)

MF PHANTOM ORION B:D(STAMINA) vs MF BASALT KERBEX TH170 CS

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MF PHANTOM ORION B:D(STAMINA): 2KO 5OS (7Wins)
MF BASALT KERBEX TH170 CS(170): 11KO2OS (13Wins)
Win Rate: 7:13 (35%)

MF PHANTOM ORION B:D(STAMINA): 10 OS
MF BASALT KERBEX TH170 CS(195): 7KO 3 OS
Win Rate: 5:5 (50%)

MF PHANTOM ORION B:D(STAMINA): 12OS
MF BASALT KERBEX TH170 CS(220):: 7KO 1OS
Win Rate: 12:8 (60%)

MF-L PHANTOM ORION B:D(STAMINA) vs MF SCYTHE HOLOGIUM BD145 EDS (FREE SPINNING)

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MF-L PHANTOM ORION B:D(STAMINA) : 9OS
MF SCYTHE HOLOGIUM BD145 EDS (FREE SPINNING): 1OS
Win Rate: 9:1 (90%)
Stopped at 10 due to overwhelming results.

MF Phantom Orion B:D VS MF Basalt Kerbex BD145CS (semi aggro)

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MF Phantom Orion B:D(Attack mode): 2OS 3KO
MF Basalt Kerbex BD145CS:15KO
Win Rate: 5:15 (25%)

MF Phantom Orion B:D(Stamina Mode): 4OS
MF Basalt Kerbex BD145CS:1OS 15KO
Win Rate:4:16 (20%)

MF-L Scythe Hologium B:D(Stamina) VS MF-H BASALT KERBEX BD145 CS (semi Aggro)

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MF-L Scythe Hologium B:D(Stamina): 6OS 1KO
MF-H BASALT KERBEX BD145 CS (semi Aggro): 11KO 2OS
Win Rate: 7:13 (35%)

MF-L Scythe Hologium B:D(Stamina) VS MF BASALT KERBEX TH170 CS

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MF-L Scythe Hologium B:D(Stamina): 11OS
MF BASALT KERBEX TH170 CS(170): 7OS 2KO
Win Rate: 11:9 (55%)

MF-L Scythe Hologium B:D(Stamina): 8OS
MF BASALT KERBEX TH170 CS(195): 10OS 2KO

Win Rate: 8:12 (40%)

MF Basalt Bull B:D VS MF-L VariAres CH120 RF

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MF Basalt Bull B:D: 3OS 5KO
MF-L VariAres CH120 RFCH120(120 Right): 12KO
Win Rate: 8:12 (40%)

MF Basalt Bull B:D: 3OS 4KO
MF-L VariAres CH120 RFCH120(145 Right): 13KO
Win Rate: 7:13 (35%)

MF Basalt Bull B:D: 7KO 1OS
MF-L VariAres CH120 RFCH120(145 Left): 12KO
Win Rate: 8:12 (40%)

MF Basalt Bull B:D: 5KO 3OS
MF-L VariAres CH120 RFCH120(120 Left): 12KO
Win Rate: 8:12 (40%)

B:D VS B:D TESTING
Mold A3 and A1 were found. Interchange after 5 battles. Switch users after every 2 ~ 3.
MF-L Phantom Orion (Stamina) B:D VS MF Basalt Cancer B:D

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MF-L Phantom Orion (Stamina) B:D: 2KO (20%)
MF Basalt Cancer B:D: 6KO 2OS (80%)

MF-L Scythe Kronos (Stamina) B:D VS MF Basalt Cancer B:D

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MF-L Scythe Kronos (Stamina) B:D: 2KO 2OS (40%)
MF Basalt Cancer B:D: 6KO (60%)

MF-L Scythe Kronos (Stamina) B:D VS MF-L Phantom Orion (Stamina) B:D

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MF-L Scythe Kronos (Stamina) B:D: 1OS (10%)
MF-L Phantom Orion (Stamina) B:D: 9OS (90%)

MF-L Earth Cancer B:D VS MF Basalt Cancer B:D

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MF-L Earth Cancer B:D: 3OS (30%)
MF Basalt Cancer B:D: 3OS 4KO (70%)

MF-L Earth Cancer B:D VS MF-L Phantom Orion (Stamina) B:D

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MF-L Earth Cancer B:D: 0 (0%)
MF-L Phantom Orion (Stamina) B:D: 8OS 2KO (100%)

MF-L Earth Cancer B:D VS MF-L Scythe Kronos (Stamina) B:D

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MF-L Earth Cancer B:D: 0 (0%)
MF-L Scythe Kronos (Stamina) B:D: 10OS (100%)

MF-L Scythe Kronos (Stamina) B:D VS MF-L Gravity Persues (Stamina) B:D (L spin)

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MF-L Scythe Kronos (Stamina) B:D: 6OS 3KO (90%)
MF-L Gravity Persues (Stamina) B:D (L spin): 1KO (10%)

MF-L Scythe Kronos (Stamina) B:D VS MF-L L Drago Destroy (Absorb) B:D

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MF-L Scythe Kronos (Stamina) B:D: 9OS 1KO (100%)
MF-L L Drago Destroy (Absorb) B:D: 0 (0%)

From BBS

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Just picked up my Orion today from the mail, and ready to show some great Stamina Tests!

Here we go bro's:

Attack Mode

Phantom Orion B:D VS. Scythe Kronos T125EDS
Phantom Orion Wins: 20 [ALL OS]
Scythe Kronos Wins: 0 [NONE]
Orion Win%Age: 100%

No Game.

Phantom Orion B:D VS. Scythe Kronos BD145EDS
Phantom Orion Wins: 20 [ALL OS]
Scythe Kronos Wins: 0 [NONE]
Orion Win%Age: 100%

Pretty amazed, but at points they were near seconds.

Phantom Orion B:D VS. Scythe Kronos 100EDS <-[LTSC]
Phantom Orion Wins: 16 [ALL OS]
Scythe Kronos Wins: 4 [NONE]
Orion Win%Age: 80%

These were much erratic bunches of testings, normally, you would expect the PC Frame to stop the Metal Wheel; but no, the opposite happened.. and hell was it messed up.


Phantom Orion B:D VS. Scythe Kronos AD145EDS
Phantom Orion Wins: 20
Scythe Kronos Wins: 0
Orion Win%age: 100%

No, way! AD145 didn't last a SECOND in the ring. Boo.

Stamina Mode Mode

Phantom Orion B:D VS. Scythe Kronos T125EDS
Phantom Orion Wins: 20 [ALL OS]
Scythe Kronos Wins: 0 [NONE]
Orion Win%Age: 100%

No Game, once again.

Phantom Orion B:D VS. Scythe Kronos BD145EDS
Phantom Orion Wins: 20 [ALL OS]
Scythe Kronos Wins: 0 [NONE]
Orion Win%Age: 100%

Same thing really, Orion was a bit tipping over here..

Phantom Orion B:D VS. Scythe Kronos 100EDS <-[LTSC]
Phantom Orion Wins: 20 [ALL OS]
Scythe Kronos Wins: 0 [NONE]
Orion Win%Age: 100%

These were much erratic bunches of testings, normally, you would expect the PC Frame to stop the Metal Wheel; but no, the opposite happened.. and hell was it messed up. <- SAME


Phantom Orion B:D VS. Scythe Kronos AD145EDS
Phantom Orion Wins: 20
Scythe Kronos Wins: 0
Orion Win%Age: 100%

No, way! AD145 didn't last a SECOND in the ring. Again..

Well I think some battles would be nice , since there is barely anything here hopefully you can get some tests up soon.

Well I think some battles would be nice , since there is barely anything here hopefully you can get some tests up soon.

Formal tests results will be posted on soon. All we have are informal ones at the moment which doesnt really sum to much.

does this really mean the TT video was kinda fake?
or maybe the bearings on theres were broken in already?
anyway nice results
hope to see battles some time in the future

Probably tuned/season if that was the case if its real. Or they just have very strong hands =|

I'm pretty sure there are different molds of the bottom, making the results vary. I think it is caused by rattling in the bottom making it lose stamina.

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Why would there be different molds? If its anything it more of manufacturing differences. I dont believe TT would intentionally release something drastically different in each box.

As for the default configuration of Phantom Orion, I have several reports of an average of 4 ~ 5 min mark from other users.

Yea, that's sort of what I meant that the times would vary on whether you got a good one or a dodgy one.

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First requests:

Scythe Rex B : D vs MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145 CS (Calm CS)
Scythe Rex B : D vs MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 230 CS (Calm CS)

Edit: Scythe in stamina mode please, and launched first. If 2 people test, alternate the beys please. Thanks

First requests:

Scythe Rex B : D vs MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145 CS (Calm CS)
Scythe Rex B : D vs MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 230 CS (Calm CS)

Edit: Scythe in stamina mode please, and launched first. If 2 people test, alternate the beys please. Thanks

Why Rex?

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Just a hunch.. They released it in the strongest set.. It should have a function. Basalt takes defense, Blitz takes attack. Nightmare, we all know is just average. UW145, EWD is just OK. Which leaves only Rex.

Rex actually looks like a fairly good clear wheel but you should also do the tests with more used clear wheel (Bull etc.)

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Just a hunch.. They released it in the strongest set.. It should have a function. Basalt takes defense, Blitz takes attack. Nightmare, we all know is just average. UW145, EWD is just OK. Which leaves only Rex.

Yeah, I guess. Like when BeyCenter did Blitz Rex 85 R2F

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I really doubt the part when the bottom of the 4d bottom (the free spinnig one) stops and the above still spinning can last as long as the one it TT vids did (1min). I supposed because we test on an attack Stadium and they test on the Wide Square one, .may be?

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Yes, I agree with Tyler Le. The angles of the stadia are different, and this can affect the movement. How about Hell Kerbecs BD145WD

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How many tests did you do for the solospin times? You might want to trial each combo a bit more to get better results.
And yeah we need battle tests. I want to see how this thing does.

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tut tut i didnt expect scythe and basalt to go like that B seems rather unpredictable. Some battles WOULD have been nice i want to see if phantom and B can take hits- it would completely defeat the purpose if they both got knocked out the instant they enter...

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You seriously cannot expect molds when it has been released not even a month ago. Especially molds for the Bottom.

wow, there were many people lie to me, they said scythe cancer B was have powerful stamina then phantom orion, i don't know, who must i believe?

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wow, there were many people lie to me, they said scythe cancer B was have powerful stamina then phantom orion, i don't know, who must i believe?

Erm solo spin time isn't a perfect indication of how they do in battle so it's not been properly disproven yet.

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Erm solo spin time isn't a perfect indication of how they do in battle so it's not been properly disproven yet.

QFT.

If the post is on schedule, I should be getting mine late next week. I can help with some testings.

I know its pretty time consuming, but I would recommend having atleast 3 of each of the solo spin times.

Also, what launcher are you using?

Sigh, not looking good for B: D............. Please let it be good on Destroy and Meteo.............................. oh well, gotta wait till next week or so to get them orions