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Winning Valkyrie *OP* - Whitedragon14 - Sep. 24, 2018

Is Winning Valkyrie banned since from what i know it's hella overpowered.Can somebody help?

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - TL14 - Sep. 24, 2018

(Sep. 24, 2018  8:08 PM)Whitedragon14 Wrote: Is Winning Valkyrie banned since from what i know it's hella overpowered.Can somebody help?

wV is a good attack type Layer but it's not banned. Beyblade needs good attack types right now because with stamina and defense types dominating, it would be an unhealthy and onesided metagame.

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - Whitedragon14 - Sep. 24, 2018

Thanks Tl14

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - Mussino - Sep. 24, 2018

Don't have more infos, but from what i heard and read on the internet only the Garuda G3 energy layer is prohibited.

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - CrazyAries - Sep. 24, 2018

No matter how powerful it is, an attack bey always requires luck and launch techniques, so there would not be 100% win rate and would not be OP.

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - Mussino - Sep. 24, 2018

The attack bey requires a lot good launch they can destroy on a Perfect launch.

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - JavariTheChamp - Sep. 24, 2018

The attack blade needs a lot of attack , whilst maintaining defence power

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - MonoDragon - Sep. 24, 2018

Winning Valkyrie, while a good attack layer, is pretty badly crushed by Archer Hercules. So no it's nowhere near banned

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - LazerBeamz - Sep. 26, 2018

(Sep. 24, 2018  8:59 PM)MonoDragon Wrote: Winning Valkyrie, while a good attack layer, is pretty badly crushed by Archer Hercules. So no it's nowhere near banned
Sorry, MonoDragon, but I have to whole heartedly disagree with your statement of Winning Valkyrie being "pretty badly crushed by Archer Hercules." While Winning Valkyrie in most mobile attack combinations will be countered by Archer Hercules, Winning valkyrie in specific stationary attack combinatons, will counter Archer Hercules to the point of bursting Archer Hercules consistently. 

Here are the Winning Valkyrie stationary attack combos I know will burst Archer Hercules consistently from extensive testing of my own:

wV.7M.Revolve
wV.7M.Yard

Of course, 7 can be replaced with 0 and Meteor with Bump. Everyone should try these out so they can see what I mean.

That being said, I don't think enough testing has been done on the WBO to definitively say that any layer would be "badly crushed" by another. 

I would love to hear all your results with my suggested combos and work with you all to change the meta.

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - kjrules17 - Sep. 26, 2018

Might I add that Lazer and I should be able to test both of those wV combos this weekend if nothing gets in the way, so formal test results will be posted to the WBO soon.

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - Valkyriology - Sep. 26, 2018

(Sep. 26, 2018  12:34 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote:
(Sep. 24, 2018  8:59 PM)MonoDragon Wrote: Winning Valkyrie, while a good attack layer, is pretty badly crushed by Archer Hercules. So no it's nowhere near banned
Sorry, MonoDragon, but I have to whole heartedly disagree with your statement of Winning Valkyrie being "pretty badly crushed by Archer Hercules." While Winning Valkyrie in most mobile attack combinations will be countered by Archer Hercules, Winning valkyrie in specific stationary attack combinatons, will counter Archer Hercules to the point of bursting Archer Hercules consistently. 

Here are the Winning Valkyrie stationary attack combos I know will burst Archer Hercules consistently from extensive testing of my own:

wV.7M.Revolve
wV.7M.Yard

Of course, 7 can be replaced with 0 and Meteor with Bump. Everyone should try these out so they can see what I mean.

That being said, I don't think enough testing has been done on the WBO to definitively say that any layer would be "badly crushed" by another. 

I would love to hear all your results with my suggested combos and work with you all to change the meta.

Oooh more combos for me to test (╯✧∇✧)╯

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - LazerBeamz - Sep. 26, 2018

(Sep. 26, 2018  12:56 PM)Valkyriology Wrote:
(Sep. 26, 2018  12:34 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote: Sorry, MonoDragon, but I have to whole heartedly disagree with your statement of Winning Valkyrie being "pretty badly crushed by Archer Hercules." While Winning Valkyrie in most mobile attack combinations will be countered by Archer Hercules, Winning valkyrie in specific stationary attack combinatons, will counter Archer Hercules to the point of bursting Archer Hercules consistently. 

Here are the Winning Valkyrie stationary attack combos I know will burst Archer Hercules consistently from extensive testing of my own:

wV.7M.Revolve
wV.7M.Yard

Of course, 7 can be replaced with 0 and Meteor with Bump. Everyone should try these out so they can see what I mean.

That being said, I don't think enough testing has been done on the WBO to definitively say that any layer would be "badly crushed" by another. 

I would love to hear all your results with my suggested combos and work with you all to change the meta.

Oooh more combos for me to test (╯✧∇✧)╯

Let me know how it goes for you!

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - HyperBey123 - Sep. 26, 2018

Try dF against it.

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - GOD CHIPS - Sep. 27, 2018

(Sep. 26, 2018  12:34 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote:
(Sep. 24, 2018  8:59 PM)MonoDragon Wrote: Winning Valkyrie, while a good attack layer, is pretty badly crushed by Archer Hercules. So no it's nowhere near banned
Sorry, MonoDragon, but I have to whole heartedly disagree with your statement of Winning Valkyrie being "pretty badly crushed by Archer Hercules." While Winning Valkyrie in most mobile attack combinations will be countered by Archer Hercules, Winning valkyrie in specific stationary attack combinatons, will counter Archer Hercules to the point of bursting Archer Hercules consistently. 

Here are the Winning Valkyrie stationary attack combos I know will burst Archer Hercules consistently from extensive testing of my own:

wV.7M.Revolve
wV.7M.Yard

Of course, 7 can be replaced with 0 and Meteor with Bump. Everyone should try these out so they can see what I mean.

That being said, I don't think enough testing has been done on the WBO to definitively say that any layer would be "badly crushed" by another. 

I would love to hear all your results with my suggested combos and work with you all to change the meta.
Yard ? ( It scrapes a Lot , Maybe , the TESTER can swap it for Atomic , Orbit !)

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - RedPanda2 - Sep. 27, 2018

(Sep. 26, 2018  1:07 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote:
(Sep. 26, 2018  12:56 PM)Valkyriology Wrote: Oooh more combos for me to test (╯✧∇✧)╯

Let me know how it goes for you!

how do you define consistently bursting?

yes, some stationary wV combos can burst elite aH combos
sometimes two or even three tests in a row

but in my exhaustive testing a victorious wV vs aH is under 50% when averaged

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - Infinite.Zero - Sep. 27, 2018

(Sep. 27, 2018  6:03 PM)RedPanda2 Wrote:
(Sep. 26, 2018  1:07 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote: Let me know how it goes for you!

how do you define consistently bursting?

yes, some stationary wV combos can burst elite aH combos
sometimes two or even three tests in a row

but in my exhaustive testing a victorious wV vs aH is under 50% when averaged
My  stationary wV 7V Fr is 40-60 against aH 0 Et
I use Fr cause its doing better then At, R, Et, O

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - LazerBeamz - Sep. 27, 2018

(Sep. 27, 2018  3:06 PM)GOD CHIPS Wrote:
(Sep. 26, 2018  12:34 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote: Sorry, MonoDragon, but I have to whole heartedly disagree with your statement of Winning Valkyrie being "pretty badly crushed by Archer Hercules." While Winning Valkyrie in most mobile attack combinations will be countered by Archer Hercules, Winning valkyrie in specific stationary attack combinatons, will counter Archer Hercules to the point of bursting Archer Hercules consistently. 

Here are the Winning Valkyrie stationary attack combos I know will burst Archer Hercules consistently from extensive testing of my own:

wV.7M.Revolve
wV.7M.Yard

Of course, 7 can be replaced with 0 and Meteor with Bump. Everyone should try these out so they can see what I mean.

That being said, I don't think enough testing has been done on the WBO to definitively say that any layer would be "badly crushed" by another. 

I would love to hear all your results with my suggested combos and work with you all to change the meta.
Yard ? ( It scrapes a Lot , Maybe , the TESTER can swap it for Atomic , Orbit !)
The reason why I chose yard and why I have better results for yard than atomic is that yard lowers the overall height of the beyblade and allows for Winning Valkyrie's energy layer to make contact with most competive drivers for Archer Hercules (Eternal, Bearing, Atomic, Revolve). Winning Valkyrie's contact with Archer Hercule's driver is what leads to bursting Archer Hercules.
(Sep. 27, 2018  6:16 PM)Infinite.Zero Wrote:
(Sep. 27, 2018  6:03 PM)RedPanda2 Wrote: how do you define consistently bursting?

yes, some stationary wV combos can burst elite aH combos
sometimes two or even three tests in a row

but in my exhaustive testing a victorious wV vs aH is under 50% when averaged
My  stationary wV 7V Fr is 40-60 against aH 0 Et
I use Fr cause its doing better then At, R, Et, O
Seriously. Give yard a shot!

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - Infinite.Zero - Sep. 27, 2018

(Sep. 27, 2018  6:19 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote:
(Sep. 27, 2018  3:06 PM)GOD CHIPS Wrote: Yard ? ( It scrapes a Lot , Maybe , the TESTER can swap it for Atomic , Orbit !)
The reason why I chose yard and why I have better results for yard than atomic is that yard lowers the overall height of the beyblade and allows for Winning Valkyrie's energy layer to make contact with most competive drivers for Archer Hercules (Eternal, Bearing, Atomic, Revolve). Winning Valkyrie's contact with Archer Hercule's driver is what leads to bursting Archer Hercules.
(Sep. 27, 2018  6:16 PM)Infinite.Zero Wrote: My  stationary wV 7V Fr is 40-60 against aH 0 Et
I use Fr cause its doing better then At, R, Et, O
Seriously. Give yard a shot!
Unfortunately I dont have Yard , but I trust that you will give us some Tests for wV 7M Yd

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - LazerBeamz - Sep. 27, 2018

(Sep. 27, 2018  6:03 PM)RedPanda2 Wrote:
(Sep. 26, 2018  1:07 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote: Let me know how it goes for you!

how do you define consistently bursting?

yes, some stationary wV combos can burst elite aH combos
sometimes two or even three tests in a row

but in my exhaustive testing a victorious wV vs aH is under 50% when averaged

What combos are you using in your exhaustive testing? I should clarify that my wV combos have been exhaustively tested against:

aH./10/0/7.Eternal/Bearing/Atomic/Revolve

and 

aH.10/0/7.Cross.Eternal/Bearing/Atomic/Revolve
(Sep. 27, 2018  6:26 PM)Infinite.Zero Wrote:
(Sep. 27, 2018  6:19 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote: The reason why I chose yard and why I have better results for yard than atomic is that yard lowers the overall height of the beyblade and allows for Winning Valkyrie's energy layer to make contact with most competive drivers for Archer Hercules (Eternal, Bearing, Atomic, Revolve). Winning Valkyrie's contact with Archer Hercule's driver is what leads to bursting Archer Hercules.
Seriously. Give yard a shot!
Unfortunately I dont have Yard , but I trust that you will give us some Tests for wV 7M Yd
Yes, @[kjrules17] and I will have tests up this saturday for these combos. Stay Tuned.

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - BladerGem - Sep. 27, 2018

Shhh no don't listen to them wV is terrible on Yard

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - Infinite.Zero - Sep. 27, 2018

(Sep. 27, 2018  6:26 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote:
(Sep. 27, 2018  6:03 PM)RedPanda2 Wrote: how do you define consistently bursting?

yes, some stationary wV combos can burst elite aH combos
sometimes two or even three tests in a row

but in my exhaustive testing a victorious wV vs aH is under 50% when averaged

What combos are you using in your exhaustive testing? I should clarify that my wV combos have been exhaustively tested against:

aH./10/0/7.Eternal/Bearing/Atomic/Revolve

and 

aH.10/0/7.Cross.Eternal/Bearing/Atomic/Revolve
(Sep. 27, 2018  6:26 PM)Infinite.Zero Wrote: Unfortunately I dont have Yard , but I trust that you will give us some Tests for wV 7M Yd
Yes, @[kjrules17] and I will have tests up this saturday for these combos. Stay Tuned.
Forgot something...weak launch aH.

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - RedPanda2 - Sep. 27, 2018

(Sep. 27, 2018  6:26 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote:
(Sep. 27, 2018  6:03 PM)RedPanda2 Wrote: how do you define consistently bursting?

yes, some stationary wV combos can burst elite aH combos
sometimes two or even three tests in a row

but in my exhaustive testing a victorious wV vs aH is under 50% when averaged

What combos are you using in your exhaustive testing? I should clarify that my wV combos have been exhaustively tested against:

aH./10/0/7.Eternal/Bearing/Atomic/Revolve

and 

aH.10/0/7.Cross.Eternal/Bearing/Atomic/Revolve
(Sep. 27, 2018  6:26 PM)Infinite.Zero Wrote: Unfortunately I dont have Yard , but I trust that you will give us some Tests for wV 7M Yd
Yes, @[kjrules17] and I will have tests up this saturday for these combos. Stay Tuned.

what combos?
frankly, all of them

again i ask how you define “consistent bursting”?

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - LazerBeamz - Sep. 28, 2018

(Sep. 27, 2018  10:48 PM)RedPanda2 Wrote:
(Sep. 27, 2018  6:26 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote: What combos are you using in your exhaustive testing? I should clarify that my wV combos have been exhaustively tested against:

aH./10/0/7.Eternal/Bearing/Atomic/Revolve

and 

aH.10/0/7.Cross.Eternal/Bearing/Atomic/Revolve
Yes, @[kjrules17] and I will have tests up this saturday for these combos. Stay Tuned.

what combos?
frankly, all of them

again i ask how you define “consistent bursting”?

Gotcha. By "consistent bursting" I mean bursting Archer Hercules 70to 80% of the time. During my most recent testing session (10 battles both beys launched at the same time) my Winning Valkyrie Yard Combo burst Archer Hercules 10 Cross Eternal 8 out of 10 matches, Out-Spun 2 out of 10 matches. Again, more formal testing will be done and video-recorded with @[kjrules17] this Saturday if you need to see video proof.

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - RedPanda2 - Sep. 28, 2018

(Sep. 28, 2018  1:53 AM)LazerBeamz Wrote:
(Sep. 27, 2018  10:48 PM)RedPanda2 Wrote: what combos?
frankly, all of them

again i ask how you define “consistent bursting”?

Gotcha. By "consistent bursting" I mean bursting Archer Hercules 70to 80% of the time. During my most recent testing session (10 battles both beys launched at the same time) my Winning Valkyrie Yard Combo burst Archer Hercules 10 Cross Eternal 8 out of 10 matches, Out-Spun 2 out of 10 matches. Again, more formal testing will be done and video-recorded with @[kjrules17] this Saturday if you need to see video proof.

i welcome your results and thanks for sharing


but lets hope your video is shot in one take without edits

RE: Winning Valkyrie *OP* - kjrules17 - Sep. 28, 2018

(Sep. 28, 2018  6:54 AM)RedPanda2 Wrote: i welcome your results and thanks for sharing


but lets hope your video is shot in one take without edits
Our intent is to stream the tests, but if we can't, we'll record them. And don't worry, while each battle will have its own clip, we have no reason to fabricate the results. As far as my own testing videos go, I like to separate each battle by clip bc it poses a lesser risk than trying to record all 10 battles in one clip. Someone could call me (it has happened before even when my phone is in Airplane Mode), my phone could stop recording for some reason, I could get interrupted by family, etc. With separated clips, if one clip gets messed up, the other battles that I previously recorded won't be affected.