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WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - Kei - Oct. 24, 2017
Outlined below are several important new ruling additions, updates, and clarifications to all WBO Organized Play rulebooks and the Organizers' Guide. View all WBO Organized Play Rules & Resources here, and a summary of the changes below:
Rule Updates Overview
- IMPORTANT: Trial Ban – Maximum Garuda Layer
- IMPORTANT: The Ωuter Disk is Now Banned
- IMPORTANT: Burst Format: Mode Changes For Parts Which Require Disassembly – 1 Allowed Per Match
- IMPORTANT: Beyblade Selection: Parts Borrowed at Any Point Must be Announced
- IMPORTANT: Burst Deck Format: Non-Contact Bursts = 1 Point
- Burst Format: God Chip Use in Mandatory
- Burst Deck Format: Regular God Chips May Be Repeated
- Organizers’ Guide: New Launchers Added to Rotation Chart
Burst Format Updates
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IMPORTANT: Trial Ban – Maximum Garuda Layer
Given Maximum Garuda's immense dominance in WBO Organized Play events since being introduced this past July, the decision has been made to proceed with a trial ban of mG so that we can observe what the metagame would look like without it in play. This trial ban will last for approximately 10 Burst Format tournaments (in at least 3 separate regions). After the 10 tournaments have been completed, we will re-evaluate the status of the ban with the following being determining factors:
- The Winning Combinations from each event
- Take into consideration the impressions of any players who played in each event (please post your thoughts if you play in an event during this trial ban! The WBO Tournament Reports forum is a good place to do so)
- Discussion in the community
- Any new parts released since the beginning of the ban which might make mG less dominant
In the mean time, please also feel free to continue posting your thoughts on Maximum Garuda and any tests you might conduct in the Maximum Garuda Testing/Discussion thread!
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IMPORTANT: The Ωuter Disk is Now Banned
Until further notice, the Ωuter Disk is now banned from all WBO Organized Play events. We will re-evaluate this ban when Ωuter becomes more easily obtainable.
In addition to dominating G2 and G3 tournaments in Japan, the Ωuter Disk has been proven to be a dominating force in the few WBO events it has been present at; it is undeniably the best Disk for Stamina in the game currently. However, because it is only available through Ωrichalcum Ωuter Ωcta in the RARE BEY GET BATTLE on the TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst website/app, and because it has been proven to be much more difficult to win than αmaterios or βaldur, we have decided that for the sake of fairness to all players that the Disk will be banned until it becomes more readily available.
IMPORTANT: Burst Format: Mode Changes For Parts Which Require Disassembly – 1 Allowed Per Match
Parts which require disassembly to change their mode–like Alter Chronos or Legend Spriggan–may now be changed once per match at any time. This means that for example, you can change Legend Spriggan from left- to right-spin once per match. If two players wish to change modes at the same time, they must turn around and do so in secret before continuing the match.
We welcome feedback on this rule change once you've had a chance to try it in a WBO Organized Play event and will be evaluating how effective or fair it is moving forward. Our hope however is that it will make Attack types like Legend Spriggan slightly more viable, which is important for Burst Format.
This change currently only applies to Burst Format.
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God Chip Use in Mandatory
We have clarified that the use of a God Chip in all Layers that accept them is mandatory.
Deck Format: Regular God Chips May Be Repeated
We have clarified that the repetition of regular God Chips in your Deck is permitted. Metal God Chips may not be repeated.
Deck Format: Non-Contact Bursts = 1 Point
Burst Finishes that occur without any contact with the opposing Beyblade are now worth 1 Point instead of 2.
Updates to All Rulebooks & Organizers’ Guide
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IMPORTANT: Beyblade Selection: Parts Borrowed at Any Point Must be Announced
If a player does not own a part that they are using in a tournament battle and are borrowing it from someone else, it must be announced who they are borrowing from during the Beyblade Selection phase before the match begins regardless of when the part was borrowed.
Judges: When the Beyblade Selection phase begins, ask each player if they are borrowing parts or receiving help from another person. If one or both players are, you must inform them who is helping or lending parts to their opponent.
Players: If you are borrowing part(s) or receiving advice from someone, you must tell the judge who the person is when he or she asks you. Parts borrowed at any point during the event for future use must be announced as well. The exact part(s) do not need to be announced, just the person they are being borrowed from.
This update has been made to further clarify the new rule from our August 2017 update regarding receiving help before a match begins. There is no longer any ambiguity regarding whether or not parts borrowed before the Beyblade Selection phase begins need to be announced or not: they do.
Original August 2017 Rule Update (Click to View)
Organizers’ Guide Updates
New Launchers Added to Rotation Chart
We have added in the proper number of launcher rotations for the BeyLauncher LR (7.5) and the Digital Sword launcher (TBD) to the chart in the Organizers’ Guide.
Feedback?
If you have any feedback on these particular changes, or any questions or suggestions for further adjustments or additions, please post your thoughts below or in the WBO Organized Play Rules thread.
Thank you to everyone for your continued support of WBO Organized Play! We appreciate any and all feedback and are always looking to improve and clarify things where possible.
View all WBO Organized Play Rules & Resources here.
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - Chrisnemisis - Oct. 24, 2017
Is it allowed to ask to change alter chronos from say, attack to stamina and still leave it in attack mode just to deceive your opponent?
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - Snidmist - Oct. 24, 2017
I am really happy with this trial ban on mg . This was the right thing to do . Great work wbo
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - Yblader1 - Oct. 24, 2017
Well I have said this for a while and now it’s come into action, personally though, instead of outer it should have been atomic suffering. Garuda is fully justifiable but atomic should be out too.
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - FIREFIRE CPB - Oct. 24, 2017
This is seriously my favourite update of this year! I'm esspecially excited for mid battle mode switching rule. I think it will make lS kinda op (opposite against attack, same against stamina/defence). but I'm esspecially excited how it will work in MFB. I imagine you can go with something like Wyvang Dragoon and swtich to Dragoon Wyavang against things like Duo. and have a benefit of adaptable E230MB which wont have fear of dragoon,
NowI guess almost all serious player will keep a dragoon in their scynchrome Ethier bellow or above
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - ultra destinus - Oct. 24, 2017
i don't know why but i feel like this will make tournaments a lot more interesting now that anyone who owns maximum garuda can't use it for now
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - Kei - Oct. 24, 2017
(Oct. 24, 2017 7:31 AM)Chrisnemisis Wrote: Is it allowed to ask to change alter chronos from say, attack to stamina and still leave it in attack mode just to deceive your opponent?
When you change modes of a part which requires disassembly, it has to then remain in that mode because you're only allowed to change modes once per match.
And there is no deception possible because the opponent will see when you are changing the mode (unless both players are changing at once, in which cases you turn your backs to each other to change modes).
(Oct. 24, 2017 9:20 AM)Yblader1 Wrote: Well I have said this for a while and now it’s come into action, personally though, instead of outer it should have been atomic suffering. Garuda is fully justifiable but atomic should be out too.
Banning Atomic would be like us banning Revolve last year. I understand some people don't like it, but the issue with the argument for banning Atomic is that while Atomic is heavily used and versatile, it is not difficult to handle defensively. It's a great part, but it isn't necessarily safe and ruining the viability of Attack types like Maximum Garuda was.
We have to be careful about needlessly banning things in the main Burst Format. Maybe if we had a "Limited Burst Format" it would be interesting to ban Atomic, but in the main format we always prefer to interfere with the natural progression of the game as much as possible.
(Oct. 24, 2017 10:43 AM)FIREFIRE CPB Wrote: This is seriously my favourite update of this year! I'm esspecially excited for mid battle mode switching rule. I think it will make lS kinda op (opposite against attack, same against stamina/defence). but I'm esspecially excited how it will work in MFB. I imagine you can go with something like Wyvang Dragoon and swtich to Dragoon Wyavang against things like Duo. and have a benefit of adaptable E230MB which wont have fear of dragoon,
NowI guess almost all serious player will keep a dragoon in their scynchrome Ethier bellow or above
The biggest thing we had on our minds for this rule was lS haha. We hope it does become more powerful.
As for your comments about MFB ... as it states in the opening post a couple times, the mode change rule only applies to Burst Format. One of the reasons we were open to implementing this rule is due to the simple construction of Burst Beyblades. Because it's so quick to assemble and disassemble them, it won't disrupt the flow of play as much as it might in other formats.
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - Mage - Oct. 24, 2017
(Oct. 24, 2017 10:43 AM)FIREFIRE CPB Wrote: This is seriously my favourite update of this year! I'm esspecially excited for mid battle mode switching rule. I think it will make lS kinda op (opposite against attack, same against stamina/defence). but I'm esspecially excited how it will work in MFB. I imagine you can go with something like Wyvang Dragoon and swtich to Dragoon Wyavang against things like Duo. and have a benefit of adaptable E230MB which wont have fear of dragoon,
NowI guess almost all serious player will keep a dragoon in their scynchrome Ethier bellow or above
The 1 switch per match rule is ,as of now, only applied to Burst format
Edit: Sniped by Kei
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - KnightinGale - Oct. 24, 2017
Finally we can change modes for mode changing beyblades.
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - FIREFIRE CPB - Oct. 24, 2017
(Oct. 24, 2017 3:00 PM)Kei Wrote:(Oct. 24, 2017 10:43 AM)FIREFIRE CPB Wrote: This is seriously my favourite update of this year! I'm esspecially excited for mid battle mode switching rule. I think it will make lS kinda op (opposite against attack, same against stamina/defence). but I'm esspecially excited how it will work in MFB. I imagine you can go with something like Wyvang Dragoon and swtich to Dragoon Wyavang against things like Duo. and have a benefit of adaptable E230MB which wont have fear of dragoon,
NowI guess almost all serious player will keep a dragoon in their scynchrome Ethier bellow or above
The biggest thing we had on our minds for this rule was lS haha. We hope it does become more powerful.
As for your comments about MFB ... as it states in the opening post a couple times, the mode change rule only applies to Burst Format. One of the reasons we were open to implementing this rule is due to the simple construction of Burst Beyblades. Because it's so quick to assemble and disassemble them, it won't disrupt the flow of play as much as it might in other formats.
EH, Ah, Ouch Lol. I was thinking it was for all format. but NP. E230MB would be too op if that was case
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - TrainiacJ - Oct. 24, 2017
I'm glad mG is in the doghouse where it belongs, and Outer's ban makes sense.
Spoiler (Click to View)
:p
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - strato-abyss19 - Oct. 24, 2017
You're banning a part because it's hard to get? Uh, that seems a little harsh to everyone who worked their tails off trying to win Ωrichalcum. I can understand banning a part because it's much too powerful and easily obtainable (like Deathscyther and Dark Deathscyther), but because it's top-tier AND hard to get? That makes about as much sense as KONAMI banning Blue-Eyes White Dragon from official play. I personally think you should rethink that ban, because if you're concerned about being fair, think about the players who have a rare and powerful part and won't even get a chance to use it just because it's too rare and powerful.
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - Yblader1 - Oct. 24, 2017
(Oct. 24, 2017 7:38 PM)strato-abyss19 Wrote: You're banning a part because it's hard to get? Uh, that seems a little harsh to everyone who worked their tails off trying to win Ωrichalcum. I can understand banning a part because it's much too powerful and easily obtainable (like Deathscyther and Dark Deathscyther), but because it's top-tier AND hard to get? That makes about as much sense as KONAMI banning Blue-Eyes White Dragon from official play. I personally think you should rethink that ban, because if you're concerned about being fair, think about the players who have a rare and powerful part and won't even get a chance to use it just because it's too rare and powerful.
(Oct. 24, 2017 7:38 PM)strato-abyss19 Wrote: You're banning a part because it's hard to get? Uh, that seems a little harsh to everyone who worked their tails off trying to win Ωrichalcum. I can understand banning a part because it's much too powerful and easily obtainable (like Deathscyther and Dark Deathscyther), but because it's top-tier AND hard to get? That makes about as much sense as KONAMI banning Blue-Eyes White Dragon from official play. I personally think you should rethink that ban, because if you're concerned about being fair, think about the players who have a rare and powerful part and won't even get a chance to use it just because it's too rare and powerful.
You do have a point, chances are that no one would even use outer rn as it stands since either u won’t obtain it or if u got it u don’t wanna use a rare piece. So banned or not , it won’t make a difference. Other than it being hard to obtain, the only other reason I see is that outer got a pretty circular shape that could affect play. But I wonder if the ban is for that reason or cos it’s hard to obtain cos then in that sense we might as well ban Octo.
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - Snidmist - Oct. 24, 2017
(Oct. 24, 2017 10:43 AM)FIREFIRE CPB Wrote: This is seriously my favourite update of this year! I'm esspecially excited for mid battle mode switching rule. I think it will make lS kinda op (opposite against attack, same against stamina/defence). but I'm esspecially excited how it will work in MFB. I imagine you can go with something like Wyvang Dragoon and swtich to Dragoon Wyavang against things like Duo. and have a benefit of adaptable E230MB which wont have fear of dragoon,
NowI guess almost all serious player will keep a dragoon in their scynchrome Ethier bellow or above
Bro i think you misunderstood . Its just for burst system
Sorry my bad someone already corrected this in a earlier post
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - Kei - Oct. 24, 2017
(Oct. 24, 2017 7:38 PM)strato-abyss19 Wrote: You're banning a part because it's hard to get? Uh, that seems a little harsh to everyone who worked their tails off trying to win Ωrichalcum. I can understand banning a part because it's much too powerful and easily obtainable (like Deathscyther and Dark Deathscyther), but because it's top-tier AND hard to get? That makes about as much sense as KONAMI banning Blue-Eyes White Dragon from official play. I personally think you should rethink that ban, because if you're concerned about being fair, think about the players who have a rare and powerful part and won't even get a chance to use it just because it's too rare and powerful.
I'm one of those people who worked their tails off trying to win Ωrichalcum, so I hear you. However, we're banning Ωuter for the time being because it is hard to obtain and extremely powerful. It is the best Stamina Disk in the game now (as proven by the two WBO events dominated with it and the numerous G2/G3 events it dominated in Japan).
We've waited in the past before too long to make decisions on this kind of thing (with the most recent one being Maximum Garuda which we probably had enough experience with a month ago to justify banning), and given the undeniably extraordinary circumstances surrounding Ωrichalcum Ωuter Ωcta (there has never been a Beyblade with a extremely powerful part made which is harder to get or more expensive than Ω.Ω.Ω), we decided to take action for the sake of fairness to all players.
Over the past year I've witnessed tons of players leaving the game because of the cost involved with importing and staying up to date with the newest releases. The WBO asks a lot of its players at times because of the disadvantage we are placed at in this generation especially where it is absolutely necessarily to import TAKARA-TOMY releases to be competitive in the main Burst Format. You can argue "who cares, that's their problem" if someone doesn't have X part and I would have been more inclined to agree in the past because Hasbro parts were competitive and there was nothing super rare (as in, several hundreds of dollars) that was also super powerful. But by my estimation, the WBO has an obligation to do what it can within reason to also make the game more accessible and fun for everyone. Competition is at the core of what we do, and I think allowing for a more reasonably even playing field by banning a part which costs hundreds of dollars to obtain (or an insane amount of luck as has been demonstrated by people trying over 800 times and not winning Ω.Ω.Ω). Allowing the game to continue where this sort of monetary investment was necessary to compete at the highest level wasn't something we were willing to endorse, so we went ahead with the ban only until Ωuter is more easily obtainable (and it will be eventually if the re-releases given to Amaterios and Baldur are any indication).
(Oct. 24, 2017 8:55 PM)Yblader1 Wrote: You do have a point, chances are that no one would even use outer rn as it stands since either u won’t obtain it or if u got it u don’t wanna use a rare piece. So banned or not , it won’t make a difference. Other than it being hard to obtain, the only other reason I see is that outer got a pretty circular shape that could affect play. But I wonder if the ban is for that reason or cos it’s hard to obtain cos then in that sense we might as well ban Octo.
It makes a difference in the sense that the few people who do have it won't be able to unfairly dominate tournaments by using it.
We didn't ban Ωcta because while competitive, it isn't the undisputed best part for its type like Ωuter is.
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - ayggdrasilgy - Oct. 25, 2017
hey i just wanna ask why outer is so powerful some can tell me?
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - MWF - Oct. 25, 2017
(Oct. 25, 2017 12:07 AM)ayggdrasilgy Wrote: hey i just wanna ask why outer is so powerful some can tell me?
It has high owd and is circular for lad. It dominates in stamina combos.
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - ayggdrasilgy - Oct. 25, 2017
(Oct. 25, 2017 12:56 AM)MWF Wrote:(Oct. 25, 2017 12:07 AM)ayggdrasilgy Wrote: hey i just wanna ask why outer is so powerful some can tell me?
It has high owd and is circular for lad. It dominates in stamina combos.
so you mean its perfect for stamina
i luv it soooo much
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - dt1000 - Oct. 25, 2017
I don't think anyone thought of this before, but maximum garuda outer atomic would be pretty unbeatable.
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - FIREFIRE CPB - Oct. 25, 2017
(Oct. 24, 2017 7:38 PM)strato-abyss19 Wrote: You're banning a part because it's hard to get? Uh, that seems a little harsh to everyone who worked their tails off trying to win Ωrichalcum. I can understand banning a part because it's much too powerful and easily obtainable (like Deathscyther and Dark Deathscyther), but because it's top-tier AND hard to get? That makes about as much sense as KONAMI banning Blue-Eyes White Dragon from official play. I personally think you should rethink that ban, because if you're concerned about being fair, think about the players who have a rare and powerful part and won't even get a chance to use it just because it's too rare and powerful.I agree with you. But this way basicly only richest or luckiet player will have an unfair advantage. WBO events need to be fair and equal for all and this way real skilled player will have fair chance to win as well as it will be possible for bladers of all age to win.
(Oct. 25, 2017 2:46 AM)dt1000 Wrote: I don't think anyone thought of this before, but maximum garuda outer atomic would be pretty unbeatable.No offense but thats very obvious lol.
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - ToxicAtom - Oct. 25, 2017
(Oct. 24, 2017 7:38 PM)strato-abyss19 Wrote: You're banning a part because it's hard to get? Uh, that seems a little harsh to everyone who worked their tails off trying to win Ωrichalcum. I can understand banning a part because it's much too powerful and easily obtainable (like Deathscyther and Dark Deathscyther), but because it's top-tier AND hard to get? That makes about as much sense as KONAMI banning Blue-Eyes White Dragon from official play. I personally think you should rethink that ban, because if you're concerned about being fair, think about the players who have a rare and powerful part and won't even get a chance to use it just because it's too rare and powerful.
To use your Yu-Gi-Oh example, it's less like banning BEWD (despite being one of the most common cards in the game, ironically), and more like banning a YCS tournament prize spell card that read "Immediately after this effect resolves: you win the duel." (Note: The last YCS tourney prize card that was competitively viable was worth over $1,500)
It's not just that the part is rare, it's that it's rare and disgustingly powerful. It outclasses basically all other parts in Stamina as far as we've seen, and it's valued at HUNDREDS (yes, with an 's') of dollars USD. Yeah, some people have they beypoints/money to spend on such a powerful part, but nobody wants to go to a tournament where one lone entrant basically says "I win because I payed a lot of money"
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - Tahoor - Oct. 25, 2017
Thanks for Banning maximum Garuda it was to over powered
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - V2KX - Oct. 25, 2017
Maximum Garuda is also pretty hard to get if you dont spend money on whole rb sets. (Chances of getting mG if you dont buy a full set: 1/8)
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - Bersilus - Oct. 25, 2017
(Oct. 25, 2017 2:07 PM)V2KX Wrote: Maximum Garuda is also pretty hard to get if you dont spend money on whole rb sets. (Chances of getting mG if you dont buy a full set: 1/8)
I'm pretty sure the odds are not even, else they won't list it as the rare prize bey....
So going by market rate this is 8-9 time the cost of one booster
(Oct. 25, 2017 10:17 AM)ToxicAtom Wrote:(Oct. 24, 2017 7:38 PM)strato-abyss19 Wrote: You're banning a part because it's hard to get? Uh, that seems a little harsh to everyone who worked their tails off trying to win Ωrichalcum. I can understand banning a part because it's much too powerful and easily obtainable (like Deathscyther and Dark Deathscyther), but because it's top-tier AND hard to get? That makes about as much sense as KONAMI banning Blue-Eyes White Dragon from official play. I personally think you should rethink that ban, because if you're concerned about being fair, think about the players who have a rare and powerful part and won't even get a chance to use it just because it's too rare and powerful.
To use your Yu-Gi-Oh example, it's less like banning BEWD (despite being one of the most common cards in the game, ironically), and more like banning a YCS tournament prize spell card that read "Immediately after this effect resolves: you win the duel." (Note: The last YCS tourney prize card that was competitively viable was worth over $1,500)
It's not just that the part is rare, it's that it's rare and disgustingly powerful. It outclasses basically all other parts in Stamina as far as we've seen, and it's valued at HUNDREDS (yes, with an 's') of dollars USD. Yeah, some people have they beypoints/money to spend on such a powerful part, but nobody wants to go to a tournament where one lone entrant basically says "I win because I payed a lot of money"
Tournament prize cards that read win duel , are never tournament legal as far as I know. If there really is such a card do enlighten me. I would also think it's probably an errata
RE: WBO Organized Play Rule Updates October 2017 – Maximum Garuda & Ωuter Ban + More - Foxer - Oct. 25, 2017
Thanks for making this ban! Now let us breath the air freedom without mg and outer ( lol I can't find the omega sighn on my keyboard)