(May. 25, 2018  1:07 PM)TL14 Wrote: My theory is that the outer Layer goes onto the inner Layer like Blast Jinnius. Because it's right spin it won't fly off when launched and when the Layer gets hit outer Layer rises on the slopes that are in between the outer and inner layer (and carved into the inner layer) and flyes off. That way it has to be bursted a second time to be bursted once. Because of this we would only have to deal with 1 loose part in the stadium which is significantly less than we would have with the Phantom Fox alternative. I know my English isn't perfect but I hope you can understand what I'm trying to explain.

(May. 17, 2018  5:11 PM)TechnicalBlader Wrote:

(May. 17, 2018  3:49 PM)Dracomageat Wrote: The spring provides a store of kinetic energy that's entirely separate from the motion of the beyblade but you'll see that the layer rarely flies straight up. Instead it keeps going with similar horizontal speed to what it had while it was still attached, taking that momentum out of the system rather than leaving it with the bey.

Except in cases when a bey bursts when it's not being hit.There's usually a final impact that causes it to burst and it is a force so it has a direction so if the bey bursts on that hit, the layer is no more resisting motion as it is seperated from the driver and airborne so it should fly in the direction of that last impact.Even in stationary attack every contact point is actually generating a force in the direction of the tangent line at that point.

(May. 26, 2018  5:46 PM)Siⱺn Wrote: My bet is that the outer part is like a friction slope ring with to open spots for it to fly out, and then the inner part has the actual teeth for the beyblade to actually burst. To me at least, that makes the most sense.

(May. 29, 2018  5:47 AM)CrazyAries Wrote: Perhaps this is what rP is supposed to do?

(May. 29, 2018  5:56 AM)KnightPro Wrote: Possibly!! This is awesome how did you do this? I have Blast Jinnus and really wanna try

(May. 29, 2018  6:00 AM)Jinbee Wrote: @[CrazyAries], that definitely makes more sense now that we can see it. It reminds me of when there were apparently rules of when frames being detached during a battle was considered a loss, I forgot if it was true, but lets say it was, then it wpuld be conflicting to the whole idea of rP still being in match with the outer part of the layer removed.

(May. 29, 2018  6:02 AM)Frostic Fox Wrote:

(May. 29, 2018  6:00 AM)Jinbee Wrote: @[CrazyAries], that definitely makes more sense now that we can see it. It reminds me of when there were apparently rules of when frames being detached during a battle was considered a loss, I forgot if it was true, but lets say it was, then it wpuld be conflicting to the whole idea of rP still being in match with the outer part of the layer removed.

Given that it's an intended effect rather than a part accidentally coming loose, it should be considered fine, I think. Just would probably need a clarification in the rules, just like Phantom Fox MS has.

(May. 29, 2018  5:56 AM)KnightPro Wrote: Possibly!! This is awesome how did you do this? I have Blast Jinnus and really wanna try

(May. 29, 2018  5:47 AM)CrazyAries Wrote: Perhaps this is what rP is supposed to do?

(May. 13, 2018  5:50 AM)Suhasini Wrote: No idea of the owner right? Wondering who would get the Phoenix...

(May. 29, 2018  6:48 PM)MonoDragon Wrote: If Revive Phoenix does send part of its Layer flying, then should the moderator/referee of the match in a tournament be the one to pull it out of the stadium as soon as possible if it doesn't get sent out of a pocket?

Quote:If one part of the Beyblade using Bunshin Core stops spinning but the other continues to, the stopped piece must be left alone. The standard rules for touching the BeyStadium or a Beyblade during a round still apply.

(May. 29, 2018  7:18 PM)tFrostic Fox Wrote:

(May. 29, 2018  6:48 PM)MonoDragon Wrote: If Revive Phoenix does send part of its Layer flying, then should the moderator/referee of the match in a tournament be the one to pull it out of the stadium as soon as possible if it doesn't get sent out of a pocket?

No, I think it should sit in the stadium and no one be allowed to touch anything.

(May. 30, 2018  6:14 AM)ThePheonix Wrote:

(May. 29, 2018  7:18 PM)tFrostic Fox Wrote: No, I think it should sit in the stadium and no one be allowed to touch anything.

That's ridiculous cuz it'll affect the flower patterns/Rush Launches of the Attack types so much and now that we are in the burst gen, I'll affect rP itself and the opponent in terms of locking mechanism...

(May. 30, 2018  6:15 AM)Adarsh Abhinav Wrote:

(May. 30, 2018  6:14 AM)ThePheonix Wrote: That's ridiculous cuz it'll affect the flower patterns/Rush Launches of the Attack types so much and now that we are in the burst gen, I'll affect rP itself and the opponent in terms of locking mechanism...

yeah, but this rule if followed since plastic gen, like bit chips and bakushin core had same rule to follow

(May. 30, 2018  6:18 AM)ThePheonix Wrote:

(May. 30, 2018  6:15 AM)Adarsh Abhinav Wrote: yeah, but this rule if followed since plastic gen, like bit chips and bakushin core had same rule to follow

Well that sucks...

(May. 30, 2018  6:14 AM)ThePheonix Wrote:

(May. 29, 2018  7:18 PM)Frostic Fox Wrote: No, I think it should sit in the stadium and no one be allowed to touch anything.

That's ridiculous cuz it'll affect the flower patterns/Rush Launches of the Attack types so much and now that we are in the burst gen, I'll affect rP itself and the opponent in terms of locking mechanism...

(May. 16, 2018  4:36 AM)Frostic Fox Wrote: This is Phantom Fox MS in action:

I actually can't help but wonder if Revive Phoenix will work very similarly, as we have only gotten top shots of the Beyblade, never a real side view.

(May. 30, 2018  7:08 AM)Frostic Fox Wrote:

(May. 30, 2018  6:14 AM)ThePheonix Wrote: That's ridiculous cuz it'll affect the flower patterns/Rush Launches of the Attack types so much and now that we are in the burst gen, I'll affect rP itself and the opponent in terms of locking mechanism...

You think it's ridiculous, but I think it's ridiculous that people are so concerned about it, haha. Bunshin Core worked out just fine, and I'd say that's arguably worse interference. Fight 2 tops, and that's a bigger thing in the way when it's fallen over. From its construction though, TT really worked to balance that out, with the tops being weaker with being of lesser weight.

That would be part of the gamble for the user of Revive Phoenix. Is it worth it? Plus, Defense Types are supposed to be a bother for Attack Types, so it messing with the pattern is fair to me if that's the gimmick (lose pieces but keep spinning). Spriggan Requiem having 2 separate gimmicks is worse to me, especially since it was designed without any real flaws or counters to make it overpowered.

I think it's pretty cool. But we need more info to be really sure of how it works. We don't know how it fully works or how the performance of the parts are. I think the facts and actual performance will make all the difference.

You're free to have your opinion, but my opinion disagrees is all.

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For anyone who missed the video demonstrating the Bunshin Core of Phantom Fox MS:

(May. 16, 2018  4:36 AM)Frostic Fox Wrote: This is Phantom Fox MS in action:



I actually can't help but wonder if Revive Phoenix will work very similarly, as we have only gotten top shots of the Beyblade, never a real side view.

(May. 29, 2018  5:59 AM)Frostic Fox Wrote: Good example there!

(May. 29, 2018  5:56 AM)KnightPro Wrote: Possibly!! This is awesome how did you do this? I have Blast Jinnus and really wanna try

I've done something very similar....put on a frame, but don't get that final lock into place. If it gets a decent hit, it will go.

My greatest fear with 12, haha....