Dec. 10, 2020 4:35 PM
Dec. 10, 2020 4:37 PM
(Dec. 10, 2020 4:23 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ](Dec. 10, 2020 4:08 PM)g2_ Wrote: [ -> ]Well, there's reasons for that. Because both Valt and Aiga gained the upper hand against Lane but both lost in BS way. Valt should've crushed Lane when he lost the barrier. And the barrier was not supposed to open by using the crater. The crater increases speed not centrifugal force, so it made no sense, and there's no way Lucifer didn't burst when colided with Brave Sword head on.
I agree with that. Valt and Aiga should of been able to beat lane
Aiga is a recurring character so that’s not an option. At least not legitimately.
Dec. 10, 2020 4:40 PM
(Dec. 10, 2020 4:35 PM)EarthHelios Wrote: [ -> ]Wait so each episode will have 1 battle only?
Episode 38 is apparently Hikaru and Hyuga vs Shu and Lane, and Aiga and Ranjiro vs Free and Sisco.
Dec. 10, 2020 4:41 PM
Do any of you have any idea who could possibly battle in this episode?
Dec. 10, 2020 4:43 PM
(Dec. 10, 2020 4:41 PM)EarthHelios Wrote: [ -> ]Do any of you have any idea who could possibly battle in this episode?
Lui and Dante vs Free and Silas maybe
Dec. 10, 2020 4:43 PM
(Dec. 10, 2020 6:01 AM)Sahaj Buttar Wrote: [ -> ]Every character has plot armour at least once,but beating legends does not mean he had plot
Your pretty much correct on that.
Dec. 10, 2020 4:44 PM
Correct. Every character has an amount of plot armor. However the act of beating a legend or just any strong blader isn’t necessarily plot armor.
Dec. 10, 2020 4:46 PM
There have been many bladers who didnt have plot armor and somehow yet they beated a bunch of top ranked bladers
Dec. 10, 2020 4:48 PM
(Dec. 10, 2020 4:46 PM)EarthHelios Wrote: [ -> ]There have been many blader who didnt have plot armor and somehow yet they beated a bunch of top ranked bladers
Hikaru won a battle royale against all the BC Sol legends and Hyuga with no plot armor.
Dec. 10, 2020 4:49 PM
(Dec. 10, 2020 4:48 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ](Dec. 10, 2020 4:46 PM)EarthHelios Wrote: [ -> ]There have been many blader who didnt have plot armor and somehow yet they beated a bunch of top ranked bladers
Hikaru won a battle royale against all the BC Sol legends and Hyuga with no plot armor.
What about Phi
Dec. 10, 2020 4:50 PM
Dec. 10, 2020 7:10 PM
Evidence that Shu trained Lane during GT:
1. Shu made no appearance during GT and you know how much the writers love putting Shu in the story so the fact that he wasn't in GT means that he was busy doing something else: training Lane.
2. Shu had Lane battle Free after nothing he did worked on Lane. Imagine how long it took Shu to just give up and ask Free for help especially considering their history with each other.
3. Sometimes beys and launchers from different generations mix, meaning sparking launchers could have been invented during the time of GT, but were not yet advertised to the blading world (safety concerns from the WBBA maybe). Just because they were using Sparking Launchers in the flashback, doesn't mean that the events took place in Sparking. Remember, Free and Shu still had Cho- z beys even when GT beys were used.
4. Lane used First Uranus in the flashbacks and normally bladers wait 1 year until evolving their beys unless they are a protagonist. This means that Lane used First Uranus while training under Shu for 1 year before evolving it into Lucifer and leaving the Bulls.
With this, it's safe to say that Lane has been training under Shu for a year. 1 year of extremely intense training under the number 2 blader should make him really powerful. It's not because of plot armor that he was winning, but because of how much he trained and the fact that he was already beating bladers left and right before Shu even met him.
1. Shu made no appearance during GT and you know how much the writers love putting Shu in the story so the fact that he wasn't in GT means that he was busy doing something else: training Lane.
2. Shu had Lane battle Free after nothing he did worked on Lane. Imagine how long it took Shu to just give up and ask Free for help especially considering their history with each other.
3. Sometimes beys and launchers from different generations mix, meaning sparking launchers could have been invented during the time of GT, but were not yet advertised to the blading world (safety concerns from the WBBA maybe). Just because they were using Sparking Launchers in the flashback, doesn't mean that the events took place in Sparking. Remember, Free and Shu still had Cho- z beys even when GT beys were used.
4. Lane used First Uranus in the flashbacks and normally bladers wait 1 year until evolving their beys unless they are a protagonist. This means that Lane used First Uranus while training under Shu for 1 year before evolving it into Lucifer and leaving the Bulls.
With this, it's safe to say that Lane has been training under Shu for a year. 1 year of extremely intense training under the number 2 blader should make him really powerful. It's not because of plot armor that he was winning, but because of how much he trained and the fact that he was already beating bladers left and right before Shu even met him.
Dec. 10, 2020 7:39 PM
(Dec. 10, 2020 7:10 PM)Apollo17 Wrote: [ -> ]Evidence that Shu trained Lane during GT:
1. Shu made no appearance during GT and you know how much the writers love putting Shu in the story so the fact that he wasn't in GT means that he was busy doing something else: training Lane.
2. Shu had Lane battle Free after nothing he did worked on Lane. Imagine how long it took Shu to just give up and ask Free for help especially considering their history with each other.
3. Sometimes beys and launchers from different generations mix, meaning sparking launchers could have been invented during the time of GT, but were not yet advertised to the blading world (safety concerns from the WBBA maybe). Just because they were using Sparking Launchers in the flashback, doesn't mean that the events took place in Sparking. Remember, Free and Shu still had Cho- z beys even when GT beys were used.
4. Lane used First Uranus in the flashbacks and normally bladers wait 1 year until evolving their beys unless they are a protagonist. This means that Lane used First Uranus while training under Shu for 1 year before evolving it into Lucifer and leaving the Bulls.
With this, it's safe to say that Lane has been training under Shu for a year. 1 year of extremely intense training under the number 2 blader should make him really powerful. It's not because of plot armor that he was winning, but because of how much he trained and the fact that he was already beating bladers left and right before Shu even met him.
Now I understand that some enjoy this theory, but it has no basis in the actual canon. There is nothing solid on which to base the idea that Shu trained Lane during GT.
Dec. 10, 2020 7:40 PM
Well this episode has to involve Valt and Rantaro somehow
Dec. 10, 2020 7:42 PM
As a further point, the GT manga mentions nothing about that nor does the sparking manga so there really is no real evidence supporting the idea that Shu trained Lane during GT/Rise.
Dec. 10, 2020 7:43 PM
I dont know why people come up with theories. Even if it was true how could that possibly happen in the anime?
Dec. 10, 2020 7:46 PM
(Dec. 10, 2020 7:43 PM)EarthHelios Wrote: [ -> ]I dont know why people come up with theories. Even if it was true how could that possibly happen in the anime?
still doesn't matter
Dec. 10, 2020 7:52 PM
(Dec. 10, 2020 7:42 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]As a further point, the GT manga mentions nothing about that nor does the sparking manga so there really is no real evidence supporting the idea that Shu trained Lane during GT/Rise.
Its made abundantly clear Shu trained Lain before the events of Surge. Meaning hw most likely trained Lain from mid-Rise to early Surge.
Dec. 10, 2020 7:53 PM
(Dec. 10, 2020 7:42 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]As a further point, the GT manga mentions nothing about that nor does the sparking manga so there really is no real evidence supporting the idea that Shu trained Lane during GT/Rise.
We are talking about the anime here, not the manga. They do things differently. Plus,the anime is 10 minutes long, they don't have time to give us every exact detail, so they put pieces of evidence throughout the show that make things obvious for the viewer. It's not a theory if it has solid evidence that you can prove. Shu didn't train Lane for a week then give up on him. That fact is made very clear in the anime.
Dec. 10, 2020 7:53 PM
He had to train Lain before Surge, however not so early into Surge Lain was clamoring to get to Onigashima and make Vex in time. During Rise is really the only time slot, maybe early Surge as well.
Dec. 10, 2020 7:53 PM
This is supposed to be episode 41 were talking about but I guess were all off topic talking about plot armor and stuff before Sparking came out
Dec. 10, 2020 8:22 PM
(Dec. 10, 2020 7:52 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]From the looks of it, it was not too long before the main events of Surge. I highly doubt it took place during Rise. Free is a good time marker. It wasn't too long after his loss to Lane that he created Mirage Fafnir. In addition by the time Shu took Lane on as an apprentice, Sparking/Surge beys were already a major thing. Couldn't have happened during Rise.(Dec. 10, 2020 7:42 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]As a further point, the GT manga mentions nothing about that nor does the sparking manga so there really is no real evidence supporting the idea that Shu trained Lane during GT/Rise.
Its made abundantly clear Shu trained Lain before the events of Surge. Meaning hw most likely trained Lain from mid-Rise to early Surge.
(Dec. 10, 2020 7:53 PM)Apollo17 Wrote: [ -> ](Dec. 10, 2020 7:42 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]As a further point, the GT manga mentions nothing about that nor does the sparking manga so there really is no real evidence supporting the idea that Shu trained Lane during GT/Rise.
We are talking about the anime here, not the manga. They do things differently. Plus,the anime is 10 minutes long, they don't have time to give us every exact detail, so they put pieces of evidence throughout the show that make things obvious for the viewer. It's not a theory if it has solid evidence that you can prove. Shu didn't train Lane for a week then give up on him. That fact is made very clear in the anime.
Certainly not saying he trained him in a week but I don't think it was in the Rise era given the available details we have. None of the concrete details point to the GT/Rise era. Presence of sparking launchers, Lane's battle with Free and Free's subsequent creation of Mirage Fafnir. All of it points to early Surge era not the events of GT/Rise.
Dec. 10, 2020 8:35 PM
(Dec. 10, 2020 8:22 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]The problem is by the time Free vs Lain take place Lain had already developed a flare and hostile personality, meaning its extremely likely he was about to leave. Meaning that took place near the tail end of Lain's time with Shu. Right after that he also developed Vex Lucius too. This was most likely near the very beginning, considering if it was during BC Sol arc Lain would be clamoring to get to Onigashima and make Vex since BC Sol arc is a few days before Onigashima, where Lain made his first appearance. If the start of Surge was when the end of the training was, mid/late Rise would have to be when it started.(Dec. 10, 2020 7:52 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]Its made abundantly clear Shu trained Lain before the events of Surge. Meaning hw most likely trained Lain from mid-Rise to early Surge.From the looks of it, it was not too long before the main events of Surge. I highly doubt it took place during Rise. Free is a good time marker. It wasn't too long after his loss to Lane that he created Mirage Fafnir. In addition by the time Shu took Lane on as an apprentice, Sparking/Surge beys were already a major thing. Couldn't have happened during Rise.
(Dec. 10, 2020 7:53 PM)Apollo17 Wrote: [ -> ]We are talking about the anime here, not the manga. They do things differently. Plus,the anime is 10 minutes long, they don't have time to give us every exact detail, so they put pieces of evidence throughout the show that make things obvious for the viewer. It's not a theory if it has solid evidence that you can prove. Shu didn't train Lane for a week then give up on him. That fact is made very clear in the anime.
Certainly not saying he trained him in a week but I don't think it was in the Rise era given the available details we have. None of the concrete details point to the GT/Rise era. Presence of sparking launchers, Lane's battle with Free and Free's subsequent creation of Mirage Fafnir. All of it points to early Surge era not the events of GT/Rise.
Early Surge before Onigashima was like 2 weeks at best. Training was way longer than that.
Meaning the training start would have to extend to late Rise at the very least.
Dec. 10, 2020 8:54 PM
(Dec. 10, 2020 8:35 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]The presence of sparking beys and launchers preclude it from taking place during the events of rise. It's a very clear indication of what era it takes place in.(Dec. 10, 2020 8:22 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]From the looks of it, it was not too long before the main events of Surge. I highly doubt it took place during Rise. Free is a good time marker. It wasn't too long after his loss to Lane that he created Mirage Fafnir. In addition by the time Shu took Lane on as an apprentice, Sparking/Surge beys were already a major thing. Couldn't have happened during Rise.The problem is by the time Free vs Lain take place Lain had already developed a flare and hostile personality, meaning its extremely likely he was about to leave. Meaning that took place near the tail end of Lain's time with Shu. Right after that he also developed Vex Lucius too. This was most likely near the very beginning, considering if it was during BC Sol arc Lain would be clamoring to get to Onigashima and make Vex since BC Sol arc is a few days before Onigashima, where Lain made his first appearance. If the start of Surge was when the end of the training was, mid/late Rise would have to be when it started.
Certainly not saying he trained him in a week but I don't think it was in the Rise era given the available details we have. None of the concrete details point to the GT/Rise era. Presence of sparking launchers, Lane's battle with Free and Free's subsequent creation of Mirage Fafnir. All of it points to early Surge era not the events of GT/Rise.
Early Surge before Onigashima was like 2 weeks at best. Training was way longer than that.
Meaning the training start would have to extend to late Rise at the very least.
Dec. 10, 2020 9:06 PM
(Dec. 10, 2020 8:54 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ](Dec. 10, 2020 8:35 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]The problem is by the time Free vs Lain take place Lain had already developed a flare and hostile personality, meaning its extremely likely he was about to leave. Meaning that took place near the tail end of Lain's time with Shu. Right after that he also developed Vex Lucius too. This was most likely near the very beginning, considering if it was during BC Sol arc Lain would be clamoring to get to Onigashima and make Vex since BC Sol arc is a few days before Onigashima, where Lain made his first appearance. If the start of Surge was when the end of the training was, mid/late Rise would have to be when it started.The presence of sparking beys and launchers preclude it from taking place during the events of rise. It's a very clear indication of what era it takes place in.
Early Surge before Onigashima was like 2 weeks at best. Training was way longer than that.
Meaning the training start would have to extend to late Rise at the very least.
That was near the end of the training though. Meaning it took place in early Surge. So the majority of it took place during Rise.