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(Feb. 11, 2021  3:58 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: [ -> ]
(Feb. 11, 2021  3:18 PM)The Blacknight Wrote: [ -> ]Imma give my two cents

Ok, so I honestly couldn’t care less for this booster. I have no reason to whatsoever to waste my money on it. Seriously wish we got a new sparking ring, or chassis, or whatever to go with Solomon(sorta like flare). At least with Uranus we got okay parts that look decent. Legit, if you have 2B and any chip with metal besides spriggan and diabolos, there is really no reason to buy this. Death looks pretty cool tho, I’ll give it that
Solomon is still the heaviest sparking Chip though, so there’s still that aspect that still makes it a must have.

There hardly any significance in the weight of a sparking chip as is. Sure it’ll provide the slightest advantage but other factors will more or less determine the outcome.
(Feb. 11, 2021  4:02 PM)The Blacknight Wrote: [ -> ]
(Feb. 11, 2021  3:58 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: [ -> ]Solomon is still the heaviest sparking Chip though, so there’s still that aspect that still makes it a must have.
yes, solomon is great, but is $20 really worth having a 1/8 chance of getting a mediocre japanese spinning top?
Oh, I have a wrong answer.
(Feb. 11, 2021  4:25 PM)Dasmind Wrote: [ -> ]
(Feb. 11, 2021  4:02 PM)The Blacknight Wrote: [ -> ]yes, solomon is great, but is $20 really worth having a 1/8 chance of getting a mediocre japanese spinning top?
Oh, I have a wrong answer.

Wha??wdym
(Feb. 11, 2021  4:29 PM)KerbeusKmie Wrote: [ -> ]
(Feb. 11, 2021  4:25 PM)Dasmind Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, I have a wrong answer.

Wha??wdym
Quote:[font="Source Sans Pro", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]yes, solomon is great, but is $20 really worth having a 1/8 chance of getting a mediocre japanese spinning top?[/font]
[font="Source Sans Pro", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]I don’t think so, higher price is better than it[/font]
(Feb. 11, 2021  4:31 PM)Dasmind Wrote: [ -> ]
(Feb. 11, 2021  4:29 PM)KerbeusKmie Wrote: [ -> ]Wha??wdym
Quote:[font="Source Sans Pro", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]yes, solomon is great, but is $20 really worth having a 1/8 chance of getting a mediocre japanese spinning top?[/font]
[font="Source Sans Pro", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]I don’t think so, higher price is better than it[/font]

It really depends on what you have &what you need.
For almost the same price you can get either Rage,Brave,Mirage,Spriggan which boast more than one good part,so yeah
(Feb. 11, 2021  4:02 PM)The Blacknight Wrote: [ -> ]
(Feb. 11, 2021  3:58 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: [ -> ]Solomon is still the heaviest sparking Chip though, so there’s still that aspect that still makes it a must have.
yes, solomon is great, but is $20 really worth having a 1/8 chance of getting a mediocre japanese spinning top?

I think you’ve been confused...
This isn’t a random booster, this is a regular booster. That means you’re getting Death Solomon Metal Fusion 2B 100% for sure.
(Feb. 11, 2021  4:17 PM)KerbeusKmie Wrote: [ -> ]
(Feb. 11, 2021  4:02 PM)The Blacknight Wrote: [ -> ]yes, solomon is great, but is $20 really worth having a 1/8 chance of getting a mediocre japanese spinning top?

How is it 1/8? Isn't Death Solomon release as a booster?

The only good part for competitive in this booster is Solomon, it's good if you don't have HyperionII (I buy Helios Volcano Separately).You can make 3 Right-spin combo with heaviest chip, LuciferII,Solomon,Lucifer, all 3 easy to get due to being a single booster release
But cheese,other than that this booster offer nothing(aside aesthetics such as Death recolour&2B-Chassis)
Oh, thought was an rb. Might be worth it then

(Feb. 11, 2021  5:41 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: [ -> ]
(Feb. 11, 2021  4:02 PM)The Blacknight Wrote: [ -> ]yes, solomon is great, but is $20 really worth having a 1/8 chance of getting a mediocre japanese spinning top?

I think you’ve been confused...
This isn’t a random booster, this is a regular booster. That means you’re getting Death Solomon Metal Fusion 2B 100% for sure.

I hath Been confuzzled.
Might actually buy this then. I just like that death recolor. Still garbage work on tt’s part tho.
(Feb. 11, 2021  2:38 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]You’re definitely right, Solomon is top tier but I do feel like it really isn’t as major as you think it is or hype it up to be. A top tier chip with the slightest amount of heavier weight even with an mcc really isn’t a big deal at all and LTE’s imbalance isn’t either-heck, it’s not even that big of a difference when in comparison of regular plastic chips. A top tier sparking chip is like a burger with an extra piece of lettuce, it’s there but that doesn’t change much. When battling using beys with such small weight differences the launch angle, power and driver etc start to factor in far more than anything else as opposed to a small little chip.

You're definitely not denying that it's an advantage, so why diss it for not being a big enough bonus? Do you want Σolomon to be ridiculously powerful beyond all others like GT's Diabolos chip? The truth is that on the vast majority of right spin combos Σolomon is the reigning king, better than any other chip but not by so much that it becomes crippling or excessively pushy on other options like GT's Diabolos was. I consider that an ultimately good thing as it gives people far more freedom when they build combos instead of having to go directly for a very specific part every time.

Even then that doesn't mean Σolomon's not worth seeking out if you want to up your game and maximize your chances for right spin Sparking combos. For all you know you might just find yourself in a mirror match and win by a fraction of a second just because of that extra gram or two, or hang onto the edge of a pocket instead of falling in, or any number of possibilities. In the end every little bit counts, especially in the competitive scene, and an advantage is an advantage no matter how large or small. That's not even mentioning people that want it for collector's purposes, where a release like this saves them hundreds of dollars that would otherwise be spend getting the incredibly gaudy and rare Brave Σolomon (a purchase my wallet still feels today).

To make it simple for you to understand: Why are you upset over free lettuce, and why do you think that the lettuce doesn't overall improve your burger to something better than it was before? Aren't you glad that you can choose lettuce or tomatoes instead of being forced to get lettuce to keep up with your burger game? Why is claiming that the extra lettuce is in fact the most value you can get for your burger somehow overhyping it at all when it's true? Have you not thought that I might've tried and tested this extra lettuce strategy myself, as someone who has it?
(Feb. 12, 2021  8:52 AM)MagikHorse Wrote: [ -> ]
(Feb. 11, 2021  2:38 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]You’re definitely right, Solomon is top tier but I do feel like it really isn’t as major as you think it is or hype it up to be. A top tier chip with the slightest amount of heavier weight even with an mcc really isn’t a big deal at all and LTE’s imbalance isn’t either-heck, it’s not even that big of a difference when in comparison of regular plastic chips. A top tier sparking chip is like a burger with an extra piece of lettuce, it’s there but that doesn’t change much. When battling using beys with such small weight differences the launch angle, power and driver etc start to factor in far more than anything else as opposed to a small little chip.

You're definitely not denying that it's an advantage, so why diss it for not being a big enough bonus? Do you want Σolomon to be ridiculously powerful beyond all others like GT's Diabolos chip? The truth is that on the vast majority of right spin combos Σolomon is the reigning king, better than any other chip but not by so much that it becomes crippling or excessively pushy on other options like GT's Diabolos was. I consider that an ultimately good thing as it gives people far more freedom when they build combos instead of having to go directly for a very specific part every time.

Even then that doesn't mean Σolomon's not worth seeking out if you want to up your game and maximize your chances for right spin Sparking combos. For all you know you might just find yourself in a mirror match and win by a fraction of a second just because of that extra gram or two, or hang onto the edge of a pocket instead of falling in, or any number of possibilities. In the end every little bit counts, especially in the competitive scene, and an advantage is an advantage no matter how large or small. That's not even mentioning people that want it for collector's purposes, where a release like this saves them hundreds of dollars that would otherwise be spend getting the incredibly gaudy and rare Brave Σolomon (a purchase my wallet still feels today).

To make it simple for you to understand: Why are you upset over free lettuce, and why do you think that the lettuce doesn't overall improve your burger to something better than it was before? Aren't you glad that you can choose lettuce or tomatoes instead of being forced to get lettuce to keep up with your burger game? Why is claiming that the extra lettuce is in fact the most value you can get for your burger somehow overhyping it at all when it's true? Have you not thought that I might've tried and tested this extra lettuce strategy myself, as someone who has it?

It is just 1-2 grams more, I will not buy it ;-)
(Feb. 12, 2021  8:52 AM)MagikHorse Wrote: [ -> ]
(Feb. 11, 2021  2:38 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]You’re definitely right, Solomon is top tier but I do feel like it really isn’t as major as you think it is or hype it up to be. A top tier chip with the slightest amount of heavier weight even with an mcc really isn’t a big deal at all and LTE’s imbalance isn’t either-heck, it’s not even that big of a difference when in comparison of regular plastic chips. A top tier sparking chip is like a burger with an extra piece of lettuce, it’s there but that doesn’t change much. When battling using beys with such small weight differences the launch angle, power and driver etc start to factor in far more than anything else as opposed to a small little chip.

You're definitely not denying that it's an advantage, so why diss it for not being a big enough bonus? Do you want Σolomon to be ridiculously powerful beyond all others like GT's Diabolos chip? The truth is that on the vast majority of right spin combos Σolomon is the reigning king, better than any other chip but not by so much that it becomes crippling or excessively pushy on other options like GT's Diabolos was. I consider that an ultimately good thing as it gives people far more freedom when they build combos instead of having to go directly for a very specific part every time.

Even then that doesn't mean Σolomon's not worth seeking out if you want to up your game and maximize your chances for right spin Sparking combos. For all you know you might just find yourself in a mirror match and win by a fraction of a second just because of that extra gram or two, or hang onto the edge of a pocket instead of falling in, or any number of possibilities. In the end every little bit counts, especially in the competitive scene, and an advantage is an advantage no matter how large or small. That's not even mentioning people that want it for collector's purposes, where a release like this saves them hundreds of dollars that would otherwise be spend getting the incredibly gaudy and rare Brave Σolomon (a purchase my wallet still feels today).

To make it simple for you to understand: Why are you upset over free lettuce, and why do you think that the lettuce doesn't overall improve your burger to something better than it was before? Aren't you glad that you can choose lettuce or tomatoes instead of being forced to get lettuce to keep up with your burger game? Why is claiming that the extra lettuce is in fact the most value you can get for your burger somehow overhyping it at all when it's true? Have you not thought that I might've tried and tested this extra lettuce strategy myself, as someone who has it?

Because just as extra lettuce is barely a contribution so is a chip that is 2 grams heavier, yes it’s an advantage but it’s a small and hardly relevant. It’s just far too insignificant and as I said before, it wouldn’t factor in much at all between two beys battling. You think a match between two Tempest combos using two different chips, one metal and one not will end with the metal chip combo dominating the other because of a chip? Heck no, the launch angle and form will determine that more often than anything else. What I’m getting at is that it’s not in the best interest of most people to pay that much money with shipping for a release with hardly any new or viable parts and a tiny chip with hardly any effect on performance doesn’t make the difference at all. Sure you can tell me about your tests and what not but I highly doubt a 1-2 gram centralized weight difference has a highlighted advantage, empirical evidence doesn’t really outplay logical thinking and it was probably coincidence. People did these same tests with metal god chips and there weren’t many difference at all.

To answer one of your other questions no, I don’t want Solomon to be ridiculously powerful I’m just saying that a chip with an extremely slight advantage isn’t enough incentive to buy this, it’s my personal opinion. Not much good comes out of this anymore than bad parts and the Solomon chip really isn’t in the realm of heavy advantages. It’s just not worth the money plus shipping. Collectors being be able to get their hands on this chip is well and good but not everyone in the general public is a collector my friend. The target audience are almost always the biggest consumers and most kids really aren’t heavily invested in these sort of things seeing as they cost as much as they do. Even for competitive players I don’t see much of an appeal. Sure little weight differences count but they don’t count for much at all you can get what you get here in other releases.

Now about the lettuce analogy, sure it’s free. But it’s not a major contribution as it doesn’t change the fact that lettuce is a bland ingredient that’s there primarily for its crunch. A small piece of lettuce would barely make the difference at all and you probably wouldn’t notice this difference unless you saw it or were told it’s there sound familiar? Now I never claimed that the lettuce is the primary value in the burger and it wasn’t about the choice between lettuce and tomatoes either. As a matter of fact, the point I’m trying to make is that the extra piece of lettuce really isn’t worth much and isn’t extra incentive to buy the burger just as an extra gram or two won’t be much incentive to buy this release since that’s not much.
I can't eat lettuce and other vegetables due to my health problems,so I'm going to skip any lettuce people offer in my burger,even if it's free(my problem is real😂)

As Zeutron said, budget bladers will grab a bey that offers a lot of competitive parts(at least more than 1)
I can say that I'm partly budget and this booster isn't interesting enough for it cost, I think it'll be better if they release this bey in a starter & give it l/r sparking launcher
(Feb. 12, 2021  6:15 PM)KerbeusKmie Wrote: [ -> ]I can't eat lettuce and other vegetables due to my health problems,so I'm going to skip any lettuce people offer in my burger,even if it's free(my problem is real😂)

As Zeutron said, budget bladers will grab a bey that offers a lot of competitive parts(at least more than 1)
I can say that I'm partly budget and this booster isn't interesting enough for it cost, I think it'll be better if they release this bey in a starter & give it l/r sparking launcher

Oh that's sad, didn't know there was such a health problem
(Feb. 12, 2021  3:10 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]Because just as extra lettuce is barely a contribution so is a chip that is 2 grams heavier, yes it’s an advantage but it’s a small and hardly relevant. It’s just far too insignificant and as I said before, it wouldn’t factor in much at all between two beys battling. You think a match between two Tempest combos using two different chips, one metal and one not will end with the metal chip combo dominating the other because of a chip? Heck no, the launch angle and form will determine that more often than anything else.

It's more of a contribution than nothing. Testing also reveals that yes, chips do matter and will tilt the match in the better chip's favor, as would any other improvement anywhere on the combo. This isn't to say launch angle, form, and strength don't matter, but an improved combo can help make up the difference or cover for minor mistakes. That is not worthless, especially at the highest levels of competitive play. In a well balanced meta these changes will not cause one to steamroll over another, but provide a smaller edge. This is fine, but doesn't prevent one part from being "the best at X" or not.

(Feb. 12, 2021  3:10 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]What I’m getting at is that it’s not in the best interest of most people to pay that much money with shipping for a release with hardly any new or viable parts and a tiny chip with hardly any effect on performance doesn’t make the difference at all. Sure you can tell me about your tests and what not but I highly doubt a 1-2 gram centralized weight difference has a highlighted advantage, empirical evidence doesn’t really outplay logical thinking and it was probably coincidence. People did these same tests with metal god chips and there weren’t many difference at all.

Logic is hard defined by empirical evidence, and as such empirical evidence will always "outplay" logical thinking. Would you assume logically that plants need the sun to grow if you didn't see one wilting in the shade, discover the method behind biological photosynthesis, or be told by someone else? You cannot because you don't have any information to base the conclusion on, so you can't connect the two together logically. The same applies to any other logical conclusion you can potentially draw. Paraphrasing this underlined quote you can get messages like "It's true because I think it is. All that evidence against me is coincidence.", which is not only false but really, really self-centered and a potentially dangerous line of thinking. If you truly believe in this, then you have issues far beyond my ability to help.

Speaking of going over your logic, Metal God Chips are such a tiny increase in weight at 0.66 grams on average, and dead center at that. Metal chip cores are ever so slightly heavier than that. Σolomon is generally a bigger weight gain, around 3.67 grams compared to the Valkyrie chip, and most of that weight is near the edge where it's optimized for maximum inertia (as opposed to chips like Diabolos and Spriggan, where it's more centralized and therefore less effective). It's not fair to compare a dead center weight with weight that is positioned farther away, and so your logic falls through here as the testing has shown time and time again. If tests ever misalign with logic it's the logic that is bad, not the real-life testing. Ergo, since real life testing doesn't match your logic, your logic is flawed somewhere.


(Feb. 12, 2021  3:10 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]To answer one of your other questions no, I don’t want Solomon to be ridiculously powerful I’m just saying that a chip with an extremely slight advantage isn’t enough incentive to buy this, it’s my personal opinion. Not much good comes out of this anymore than bad parts and the Solomon chip really isn’t in the realm of heavy advantages. It’s just not worth the money plus shipping. Collectors being be able to get their hands on this chip is well and good but not everyone in the general public is a collector my friend. The target audience are almost always the biggest consumers and most kids really aren’t heavily invested in these sort of things seeing as they cost as much as they do. Even for competitive players I don’t see much of an appeal. Sure little weight differences count but they don’t count for much at all you can get what you get here in other releases.

If you don't see the value for the competitive scene then I'd ask you to please take a few steps out from that rock you're hiding under. Until right spin Sparking layers are no longer competitive Σolomon will continue to be the best right spin chip, though not one that is necessary or irreplaceable. 2B is a competitively viable chassis, if underused. Metal Accel may prove interesting in formats like Classic and Limited, presuming it doesn't get banned. That's quite a bit of competitive value right there, if not necessarily in the way you'd expect or hope it to be.

Also, "not everyone is an X" is only a counterargument if I was saying that everyone should get this, which I have not. As long as people that like X exist then there is a reason for them to give a few releases to those sorts of people. In this case, it covers two large bases between collectors and those seeking a competitive edge. No, this release is probably not going to attract kids or more budget players. That doesn't mean everyone else can't enjoy it, and if you think it does then you really need to step back and think about things for a while or stop thinking so much of yourself and think about what others might like.

(Feb. 12, 2021  3:10 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]Now about the lettuce analogy, sure it’s free. But it’s not a major contribution as it doesn’t change the fact that lettuce is a bland ingredient that’s there primarily for its crunch. A small piece of lettuce would barely make the difference at all and you probably wouldn’t notice this difference unless you saw it or were told it’s there sound familiar? Now I never claimed that the lettuce is the primary value in the burger and it wasn’t about the choice between lettuce and tomatoes either. As a matter of fact, the point I’m trying to make is that the extra piece of lettuce really isn’t worth much and isn’t extra incentive to buy the burger just as an extra gram or two won’t be much incentive to buy this release since that’s not much.


Great, so you don't like lettuce. Why complain about that to people that might enjoy that lettuce? Who ever said it was the primary focus of the burger instead of simply better than a burger without lettuce? The "tomatoes" here are an allegory to other metal chips, so quite frankly there is that flexibility I've already gone over. Remove the lettuce and you have the plain chips, which are fine but not as much value because you're getting less stuff with your hypothetical burger. If you can't afford to get a burger this time that's fine, but also none of my business since I plan on eating a burger regardless of what you say about it. Arguing to try and get me to eat something besides this burger is just dragging me down and causing trouble. You should stop this and let those that like this release like it without you looking down on us because we have a burger that you're clearly not interested in.

In summation, Σolomon is the reigning king of right spin Sparking chips. This is factual through testing from any number of individuals who own the part already and remains an uncontested conclusion, and my argument has gone no further than this. My original post was just to say that the MCC is not a requirement for Σolomon, and that it is still the best overall chip in most right spin combinations even without a MCC. You even seem to agree with this as fact despite claiming that it's "not a big enough difference", and yet accuse me of overhyping this?

I have not hyped it beyond its actual abilities, since not even once have I told people to get this or otherwise promoted the part short of stating its superiority over other chips, which is itself not "overhyping" because it is what the facts have brought to the table. In addition I've even admitted that it's replaceable and not mandatory. Unless you want to claim that telling the truth about a part's power level is "overhyping it", itsefl a claim that goes against a great deal of part testing, then you have no argument left with me.
(Feb. 13, 2021  2:45 AM)MagikHorse Wrote: [ -> ]
(Feb. 12, 2021  3:10 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]Because just as extra lettuce is barely a contribution so is a chip that is 2 grams heavier, yes it’s an advantage but it’s a small and hardly relevant. It’s just far too insignificant and as I said before, it wouldn’t factor in much at all between two beys battling. You think a match between two Tempest combos using two different chips, one metal and one not will end with the metal chip combo dominating the other because of a chip? Heck no, the launch angle and form will determine that more often than anything else.

It's more of a contribution than nothing. Testing also reveals that yes, chips do matter and will tilt the match in the better chip's favor, as would any other improvement anywhere on the combo. This isn't to say launch angle, form, and strength don't matter, but an improved combo can help make up the difference or cover for minor mistakes. That is not worthless, especially at the highest levels of competitive play. In a well balanced meta these changes will not cause one to steamroll over another, but provide a smaller edge. This is fine, but doesn't prevent one part from being "the best at X" or not.

(Feb. 12, 2021  3:10 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]What I’m getting at is that it’s not in the best interest of most people to pay that much money with shipping for a release with hardly any new or viable parts and a tiny chip with hardly any effect on performance doesn’t make the difference at all. Sure you can tell me about your tests and what not but I highly doubt a 1-2 gram centralized weight difference has a highlighted advantage, empirical evidence doesn’t really outplay logical thinking and it was probably coincidence. People did these same tests with metal god chips and there weren’t many difference at all.

Logic is hard defined by empirical evidence, and as such empirical evidence will always "outplay" logical thinking. Would you assume logically that plants need the sun to grow if you didn't see one wilting in the shade, discover the method behind biological photosynthesis, or be told by someone else? You cannot because you don't have any information to base the conclusion on, so you can't connect the two together logically. The same applies to any other logical conclusion you can potentially draw. Paraphrasing this underlined quote you can get messages like "It's true because I think it is. All that evidence against me is coincidence.", which is not only false but really, really self-centered and a potentially dangerous line of thinking. If you truly believe in this, then you have issues far beyond my ability to help.

Speaking of going over your logic, Metal God Chips are such a tiny increase in weight at 0.66 grams on average, and dead center at that. Metal chip cores are ever so slightly heavier than that. Σolomon is generally a bigger weight gain, around 3.67 grams compared to the Valkyrie chip, and most of that weight is near the edge where it's optimized for maximum inertia (as opposed to chips like Diabolos and Spriggan, where it's more centralized and therefore less effective). It's not fair to compare a dead center weight with weight that is positioned farther away, and so your logic falls through here as the testing has shown time and time again. If tests ever misalign with logic it's the logic that is bad, not the real-life testing. Ergo, since real life testing doesn't match your logic, your logic is flawed somewhere.


(Feb. 12, 2021  3:10 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]To answer one of your other questions no, I don’t want Solomon to be ridiculously powerful I’m just saying that a chip with an extremely slight advantage isn’t enough incentive to buy this, it’s my personal opinion. Not much good comes out of this anymore than bad parts and the Solomon chip really isn’t in the realm of heavy advantages. It’s just not worth the money plus shipping. Collectors being be able to get their hands on this chip is well and good but not everyone in the general public is a collector my friend. The target audience are almost always the biggest consumers and most kids really aren’t heavily invested in these sort of things seeing as they cost as much as they do. Even for competitive players I don’t see much of an appeal. Sure little weight differences count but they don’t count for much at all you can get what you get here in other releases.

If you don't see the value for the competitive scene then I'd ask you to please take a few steps out from that rock you're hiding under. Until right spin Sparking layers are no longer competitive Σolomon will continue to be the best right spin chip, though not one that is necessary or irreplaceable. 2B is a competitively viable chassis, if underused. Metal Accel may prove interesting in formats like Classic and Limited, presuming it doesn't get banned. That's quite a bit of competitive value right there, if not necessarily in the way you'd expect or hope it to be.

Also, "not everyone is an X" is only a counterargument if I was saying that everyone should get this, which I have not. As long as people that like X exist then there is a reason for them to give a few releases to those sorts of people. In this case, it covers two large bases between collectors and those seeking a competitive edge. No, this release is probably not going to attract kids or more budget players. That doesn't mean everyone else can't enjoy it, and if you think it does then you really need to step back and think about things for a while or stop thinking so much of yourself and think about what others might like.

(Feb. 12, 2021  3:10 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]Now about the lettuce analogy, sure it’s free. But it’s not a major contribution as it doesn’t change the fact that lettuce is a bland ingredient that’s there primarily for its crunch. A small piece of lettuce would barely make the difference at all and you probably wouldn’t notice this difference unless you saw it or were told it’s there sound familiar? Now I never claimed that the lettuce is the primary value in the burger and it wasn’t about the choice between lettuce and tomatoes either. As a matter of fact, the point I’m trying to make is that the extra piece of lettuce really isn’t worth much and isn’t extra incentive to buy the burger just as an extra gram or two won’t be much incentive to buy this release since that’s not much.


Great, so you don't like lettuce. Why complain about that to people that might enjoy that lettuce? Who ever said it was the primary focus of the burger instead of simply better than a burger without lettuce? The "tomatoes" here are an allegory to other metal chips, so quite frankly there is that flexibility I've already gone over. Remove the lettuce and you have the plain chips, which are fine but not as much value because you're getting less stuff with your hypothetical burger. If you can't afford to get a burger this time that's fine, but also none of my business since I plan on eating a burger regardless of what you say about it. Arguing to try and get me to eat something besides this burger is just dragging me down and causing trouble. You should stop this and let those that like this release like it without you looking down on us because we have a burger that you're clearly not interested in.

In summation, Σolomon is the reigning king of right spin Sparking chips. This is factual through testing from any number of individuals who own the part already and remains an uncontested conclusion, and my argument has gone no further than this. My original post was just to say that the MCC is not a requirement for Σolomon, and that it is still the best overall chip in most right spin combinations even without a MCC. You even seem to agree with this as fact despite claiming that it's "not a big enough difference", and yet accuse me of overhyping this?

I have not hyped it beyond its actual abilities, since not even once have I told people to get this or otherwise promoted the part short of stating its superiority over other chips, which is itself not "overhyping" because it is what the facts have brought to the table. In addition I've even admitted that it's replaceable and not mandatory. Unless you want to claim that telling the truth about a part's power level is "overhyping it", itsefl a claim that goes against a great deal of part testing, then you have no argument left with me.

Jesus Christ MagikHorse you really went all out here, let’s just say you’re right. I’m tired of typing and you probably are anyways lol. Couldn’t help but think you took my response as a lot more hostile than it actually was though and I will say that I mean no harm or anything like that.

Of course I still find it to not be worth the price but we all have our own opinions and I should probably stop trying to shove mine in.
(Feb. 13, 2021  2:48 AM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]Jesus Christ MagikHorse you really went all out here, let’s just say you’re right. I’m tired of typing and you probably are anyways lol. Couldn’t help but think you took my response as a lot more hostile than it actually was though and I will say that I mean no harm or anything like that.

Of course I still find it to not be worth the price but we all have our own opinions and I should probably stop trying to shove mine in.

This isn't the first time I've gone all out, it won't be the last rest assured.

The line I underlined is still a bit concerning though, given what it can be paraphrased to. I have absolutely no clue how you can believe that at all.
(Feb. 13, 2021  3:07 AM)MagikHorse Wrote: [ -> ]
(Feb. 13, 2021  2:48 AM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]Jesus Christ MagikHorse you really went all out here, let’s just say you’re right. I’m tired of typing and you probably are anyways lol. Couldn’t help but think you took my response as a lot more hostile than it actually was though and I will say that I mean no harm or anything like that.

Of course I still find it to not be worth the price but we all have our own opinions and I should probably stop trying to shove mine in.

This isn't the first time I've gone all out, it won't be the last rest assured.

The line I underlined is still a bit concerning though, given what it can be paraphrased to. I have absolutely no clue how you can believe that at all.

My bad on that one, I didn’t expand upon what I meant. What I meant to say was that empirical evidence doesn’t always outweigh logical thinking in heavily probable situations.
Just realized this is the last thing in sparking.
Whether this thing is worth it or not depends on how competitive or minmaxed you want to play. For me, a 20$ for a Solomon Chip, even without the rest of the parts is a pretty good deal. I'd probably get 2 even.

For those who prefer the excitement of new parts/gimmicks, then I understand if they aren't too excited to buy this. Maybe if there's a new ring or driver they'd be more interested. Jet Wyvern, for example, is a product more suited for these types of players (whereas I personally think its not worth due to the lack of competitive usage in the new parts).

As a side note: based on my experience, Lucifer2 is a downgrade for stamina combos. Its a minor imbalance, but if it makes your combo perform less compared to a similar combo with a balanced chip, its not worth it. Solomon, and even Hyperion2 is preferable. I only found use for Luci2 on Hollow so far.
(Feb. 13, 2021  3:10 AM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]My bad on that one, I didn’t expand upon what I meant. What I meant to say was that empirical evidence doesn’t always outweigh logical thinking in heavily probable situations.

This is still incorrect. Empirical evidence is the facts, the truth, the test results, and reality itself. Logic is our theories, our suppositions, our expectations and dreams, but they are the results of our minds and not necessarily real. In short, reality is stronger than your ability to reason and deduce through logic. To say otherwise is to say that reality is broken because it doesn't match what you think, which is obviously untrue.

Take 1D for example. Most people consider 1S to be superior to 1D, given its greater weight especially around its perimeter. Despite this 1D has extraordinary test results against 1S in mirror matches, and often with a favorable winrate. Logic doesn't explain that at all, and yet it still holds itself to be truth through testing however unlogical it may appear.
College essay aside, Solomon is not enough to justify this booster.

The more paragraphs I see defending it, the less I care about this stupid chip.
(Feb. 13, 2021  4:19 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]College essay aside, Solomon is not enough to justify this booster.

The more paragraphs I see defending it, the less I care about this stupid chip.

Death and Solomon were both hard to get ahold of, Solomon especially. It doesn’t justify this being a regular booster rather than a WBBA release, but you have to admit that being able to get ahold of two rare parts is kinda cool, even if it’s a regular booster that should have been something else.
(Feb. 13, 2021  4:59 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: [ -> ]Death and Solomon were both hard to get ahold of, Solomon especially. It doesn’t justify this being a regular booster rather than a WBBA release, but you have to admit that being able to get ahold of two rare parts is kinda cool, even if it’s a regular booster that should have been something else.

Yeah, it does make me wonder why there were no real WBBA releases during Sparking, unless somehow they were too difficult to manage or produce through COVID. Like, the only ones I really know about are the pieces of that black and gold Glide Ragnaruk recolor, golden Wheel, golden 1S, e.t.c.
New Death Solomon Pictures:
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I guess it's ok, having a side with a purple sticker over the screw and one side with a red sticker over the screw matches the two sides of the Solomon chip do that's neat.
I'm appreciative of the inclusion of violet and orange. Gold/Red is such a basic combination for a Beyblade, at this point, so it really adds something to it.

Overall, kind of a boring release, but not terrible.
Honestly with the exception of the driver, I'm liking this release, even if it is a tad boring. Σolmon and Death were hard to get, and both are pretty nice parts. 2B is neat as well. And I like how they went with red and purple instead of the traditional red and blue, it's not cliché and imo looks better on this bey.
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