(Jan. 31, 2012 2:50 AM)Nocto Wrote: [ -> ]Circumstances here would be the match-up, and the rotational velocity of each beyblade at any given time.
However, All I meant to say was that the opposing Beyblade can also use L-Drago Destroy's rubber to its advantage, to "absorb" L-Drago's spin, but perhaps I put emphasis on something overly obvious, or maybe it is simply irrelevant.
I'm not sure if it is relevant, because the expectation for L-Drago spin stealers is for them to tie, or
maybe outlast the opponent by a rotation or two somehow. It would never be
disadvantageous for the L-Drago Wheel being used, I think.
Mmm, they focus on equalizing with and destabilising the opponent to score outspins, if they cannot KO them, and failing everything else, draw the battle. They're the evolved form of Kei's LDrago 90WF.
That said, LDD doesn't do it that well, like I said. It's okay at it but honestly, MLD was the star of the family for that, LDD and LDG don't have the balance to pull it off as easily. Same thing occurs with BD145MF, they end up getting outspun, and lack the advantage Gravity had from its dual spin.
MLD isn't as risky as most people (including me subconsciously) consider it, though I don't really know how it would cope with Death, Phantom, and Duo BD145CS combos, as I haven't tried it, I doubt LDD would do significantly better.
Won't weak shooting turn LDD's spin equalizing against it? LDD has very poor endurance, so highly balanced wheels like Duo might outspin it if weakly shot.
Most LDD spin stealing combinations use tips that are able to avoid the contact weak launched beys speed themselves up with. I mean, if you did launch right, you could manage to still be at a decent RPM, but it would be very involved, my half asleep mind tells me.
Weak shooting would only help. Think about it this way: say you were to launch at full power, both beys would be deteriorating in spin ending up with a tie more often than not while if you were to weak launch the left spin bey it would be increasing in rotations by actually feeding off on the opposing bey. (could debate that the left spin bey was merely dragging the opposing bey down to equal rotations, not gaining but still)
Well, at least that is what my quarter-asleep mind tells me, haha.
Oh, I see. Haha
Just to clarify, were you talking about weak-shooting LDD? My post might have been confusing, I meant weak shooting something with WD or whatnot.
(Jan. 30, 2012 5:32 PM)Kei Wrote: [ -> ]That probably is the case. First impressions are often lasting, haha. It would be nice if someone could do some testing comparing the two ... maybe:
MF Meteo L Drago ED145EWD/MF L Drago Destroy ED145EWD vs. Phantom/Duo Aquario BD145CS/EDS/AD145WD/TH170D.
I don't know if ED145 would be the best Track or not, but I've heard of people using it before.
Can someone please conduct these tests? Even only ten rounds of both Meteo and L Drago Destroy would be better than nothing.
So, looking at this, the information still seems to be true, but we're stuck with the spin stealing comparisson.
Again, I can't fulfill these tests (
), but I really think that if somebody does the tests (they're pretty quick anyways) then this is a really good looking article.
This seems OK, no ?
Quote:Face: L-Drago III
This Face mark features a more complete form of L Drago, while also showing a more aggressive design. "L Drago" isn't written anymore, and, instead, the rest of the dragon's neck is shown as well as its left hand, its right arm and its right shoulder.
4D Metal Wheel: L-Drago Destroy
-Weight: 44.29 Grams
This Metal Wheel is made up of two parts: a Core and a Metal Frame. Unlike other 4D Metal Wheels, the Core is made of rubber/plastic and sits below–rather than above–the Metal Frame, which comprises the bulk of the Metal Wheel. This follows the trend of the other L Drago Wheels.
--Metal Frame
The Metal Frame is the largest part of the Metal Wheel and therefore makes the most contact with opposing Beyblades. Like previous L Drago Wheels, the three-sided Metal Frame is shaped to resemble three dragon heads. It is much wider, has larger gaps between each head, and is significantly heavier than each of the former L Drago Wheels, many of which were notorious for their extremely light weight. While made entirely of metal, its color upon release was a dark gray. Its relief features some slight, jagged bumps instead of being very smooth, to create an overall fierce design.
--Core
L-Drago Destroy's Core is made of PC (plastic) as well as PVC (rubber), continuing the trend started with Meteo L-Drago. It is comprised of six protrusions which act as the teeth and lower jaw for the dragon heads; all six contain rubber, but only three expose rubber on the outside, while the other three expose plastic. The rubber protrusions can assist in spin stealing from right-spin Beyblades.
Like all 4D Metal Wheels, L-Drago Destroy features a mode-changing gimmick. It works by rotating the Metal Frame while the Beyblade is disassembled. The two Modes are:
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*'''Attack Mode''': In this mode, the rubber protrusions on the Core are aligned with the front of the dragon heads on the Metal Frame.
*'''Absorb Mode''': In this mode, the Core is rotated 180° so that the plastic protrusions on the Core are aligned with the front of the dragon heads of the Metal Frame.
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Attack Mode is widely considered to be superior to Absorb Mode for Smash Attack. The rubber protrusions on the Core are covered for the most part by the dragon heads while in Absorb Mode, allowing for the plastic protrusions to make the most impact in combination with the Metal Frame. In Attack Mode, L-Drago Destroy can be considered an upgrade to the popular Lightning L-Drago, but it has since been outclassed generally by Metal Wheels like Blitz, Flash and VariAres.
Use in Attack Customization
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Though it has less pure Smash Attack power than Metal Wheels like Flash, Blitz and VariAres, what L-Drago Destroy does have is less [[Recoil]]. This can make it a somewhat more reliable choice to play against Stamina customizations, which do not necessarily require the same huge amount of brute force to be KOed as the force found in Blitz and VariAres. The customization '''MF L-Drago Destroy BD145MF''' can be used for this purpose; the reliability of L-Drago Destroy and the controllability of MF combine to make a usable Smash Attacker versus lightweight and tall Stamina customs.
Bottom: Final:Survive
-Weight: 5.73 Grams
F:S is a completely automatic Bottom, switching between "Hole Flat" and "Sharp" tips as its spin velocity lowers. The gimmick of this 4D Bottom is the contrary of Big Bang Pegasis' F:D: instead of beginning at a Stamina tip and ending with Attack, F:S starts with moderate attack, and ends up with a Stamina-type tip to try and give it a boost of spin time and win more by equalizing with the opposing Beyblade's spin. This mechanism works in a similar fashion to F:D: tabs on the side of the big base pop in or out depending on the Beyblade's Spin Velocity and the consequential centrifugal force affected to the spinning top. However, as good as the gimmick sounds in theory, in practice, there are many disadvantages. The HF tip, which is slightly wider than the regular HF Bottom, has trouble maintaining a Sliding Shoot pattern, and the change between tips causes a disruption in the Beyblade’s balance, especially given the notorious balance issues of Sharp Bottoms. This Bottom therefore has absolutely no use competitively.
Other Versions
L-Drago Destroy DF105LRF Gold Armored Ver. – CoroCoro Fan Service (Gold)
L-Drago Destroy F:S Legend Beyblade Ver. – WBBA Exclusive, Legend Beyblade Set, TAKARA-TOMY lottery (Gold)
Gallery
Overall
The L-Drago series is known for having powerful Attack skills, and L-Drago Destroy lives up to this aspect, being commonly regarded as superior to Lightning L-Drago due to its increased weight, Attack range, and its more prominently exposed wings. L-Drago Destroy does not Spin Steal as well as Meteo L-Drago, so the latter should be used for a Spin-Stealing combos though. F:S is useless competitively, but L-Drago Destroy can be used in specific situations. '''L-Drago Destroy F:S is not a must-have, but it is nevertheless a welcomed addition to any collection.'''
I like this draft. It seems perfect
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Quote:'''MF L-Drago Destroy BD145MF''' can be used for this purpose; the reliability of L-Drago Destroy and the controllability of MF...
Maybe which MF is being described should be specified, the Metal Face or the Metal Flat.
Other than that this looks ready.
Is the information mentioned above in the post by Kai correct for the Hasbro version as well or just the Takara-Tomy version?
If you read the Beywiki article, it is very clear ... Also, the Hasbro version is not even called "L Drago Destroy".
(Oct. 10, 2012 3:30 AM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ]If you read the Beywiki article, it is very clear ... Also, the Hasbro version is not even called "L Drago Destroy".
Oh oops sorry wrong beyblade I thought that link was for the L-Drago Destructor. I would delete my other comment but I can not for some reason.
Edit: oh oops okay apparently they are the same, okay so is the two different modes the same on the Hasbro version as it is on the Takara-Tomy or did Hasbro change it? sorry.
The modes are the same, it is just their effectiveness which will be different, considering that the two pieces for this Metal Wheel weigh less in Hasbro's version.
(Oct. 10, 2012 4:43 AM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ]The modes are the same, it is just their effectiveness which will be different, considering that the two pieces for this Metal Wheel weigh less in Hasbro's version.
Ahh okay whew and oh I see interesting
Shall I save and upload the pictures in the OP? Not sure if BeybladeStation will see and do this.
Yes, go ahead if you have time.
They have been added, sorry for the delay. Oh, and by the way should "L-Drago Destructor LW105LF" link to this, because it describes the Metal Wheel?
I am not certain. I think I will still make a separate article for the Hasbro version.
Aren't there there different versions/molds on the Final Survive piece? Because my SonoKong F:S looks different, as do some other bladers' I know. It is a lot more circular and shield like.
(Oct. 14, 2012 2:40 AM)BladerPegasis Wrote: [ -> ]Aren't there there different versions/molds on the Final Survive piece? Because my SonoKong F
looks different, as do some other bladers' I know. It is a lot more circular and shield like.
Post photographs.
Here are two:
The hooks don't stick out as much in this version, and this F:S is authentic: from SonoKong.