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It just really doesn't get that detailed on that small section of drafts.

I guess if that is what you are looking for, D125 has a snug fit on the core, and has shape that provides air flow enough for it..

Yeah, that....just raised even more questions than what I was expecting, for I'm just going to nod and say yes.

(Nov. 20, 2011  12:14 AM)Kaji Motomiya Wrote: [ -> ]

(Nov. 19, 2011  8:11 PM)BeybladeStation Wrote: [ -> ]It says right in the description..

Smash Attack..

What I was looking for more of "how it helps LDrago Destroy." Like how they say that 145-Tracks (not specifically 145) works well against 230 Track combos. It's nice to know that an "excellent Smash Attacker" can work well with a part that's "used in some Attack customizations", but I'm looking for what makes D125 in design and technical-wise compatible with LDrago Destroy wheel.

It works because 125 is an optimal or near-optimal height for this MW against common threats and D125 is heavier and more aerodynamic than 125. I don't see why you want us to write you a dissertation on common sense. It will not start firing laser beams when attacked to LDD due to fairy magic, if that is what you're curious about - genuine track synergy only exists on maybe four combos in the entire metagame.

(Nov. 19, 2011  10:28 PM)BeybladeStation Wrote: [ -> ]Not everyone has a BD145, CH120, etc. I'm pretty sure it would't hurt to have those up..

Anyone who doesn't have those parts should be encouraged to get them by seeing that they are the absolute ideal parts for the combo, not encouraged to use garbage substitutions. The Beywiki is for competitive information, not "it's okay if you can't have the right parts" - it isn't okay.

(Nov. 20, 2011  12:59 AM)Hazel Wrote: [ -> ]It works because 125 is an optimal or near-optimal height for this MW against common threats and D125 is heavier and more aerodynamic than 125. I don't see why you want us to write you a dissertation on common sense. It will not start firing laser beams when attacked to LDD due to fairy magic, if that is what you're curious about - genuine track synergy only exists on maybe four combos in the entire metagame.

Maybe because I'm not that hardcore of a player as everyone else here, and I'm still learning. Maybe because I have a harder time learning unless something is broken down and explained in a clear and thorough manner.

While I appreciate that you did explain it, I'd ask that you not wave your Advanced Member status with a side of attitude. This entire time, you were never being helpful, but were being a straight-up carp. I don't appreciate being looked down on because I don't know as much as you and that I'd want to learn.

(Nov. 20, 2011  1:36 AM)Kaji Motomiya Wrote: [ -> ]While I appreciate that you did explain it, I'd ask that you not wave your Advanced Member status with a side of attitude. This entire time, you were never being helpful, but were being a straight-up carp. I don't appreciate being looked down on because I don't know as much as you and that I'd want to learn.

You couldn't have said it better.

Either way, I'll change those combos but..

(Nov. 20, 2011  1:36 AM)Kaji Motomiya Wrote: [ -> ]While I appreciate that you did explain it, I'd ask that you not wave your Advanced Member status with a side of attitude. This entire time, you were never being helpful, but were being a straight-up carp. I don't appreciate being looked down on because I don't know as much as you and that I'd want to learn.

Your question was odd, and something that I suppose I expected people to be able to figure out on their own, especially given the nature of the parts in question. I insisted that you actually think about it. If I hurt your feelings by being so blunt, or came off as "looking down on you", I apologize.

Moreover, response to you had absolutely nothing to do with my italicized name - the fact that you would even bring it up actually strikes me as odd. Are you under the misguided impression that being Advanced grants me power or status worth notoriety? I am as much a normal user as anyone else here, with the minor ability to post in one forum others cannot. I am not more important or significant here because of it. If I am to be deemed Sarcasmo the Annihilator, let it be for my nature, not the font style of my name.

Under the Metal Frame section in the 2nd sentence "dragonhead" should be two words?

Yes, it should.

I was thinking of updating this a slight bit. I wanted to change the Attack section and part of the overall to say it can't beat death and duo. Sound good? Should I change it to "there is no reason to buy this blade yo" ?

Sounds good, needed too!

Quote:Face: L-Drago

The Face on this Beyblade depicts a Dragon, Draco, one of the 88 constellations in space. This is the most current L-Drago Face, being the third of its type.

4D Metal Wheel: L-Drago Destroy

-Weight: 44.29 Grams

L-Drago Destroy is structured of both a Metal Frame and Core, and these two parts combine to make one Metal Wheel.

--Metal Frame

The Metal Frame is placed on the top and is located where the L-Drago Clear Wheel would normally be. It is the largest part of the Metal Wheel and makes the most contact with opposing Beyblades. The Metal Frame is shaped similarly to the previous Beyblades in the L Drago series, in regards to having three Dragon heads, each of which has an identical flame design. However, it is is much wider, has larger gaps between each head, and is significantly heavier than each of the former L Drago Beyblades.

--Core

The Core on L Drago Destroy is placed on the bottom and takes the place of where the Lightning or Meteo Metal Wheels would normally be. It is made of PC plastic as well as PVC rubber, and is therefore very light. The Core's protrusions lay beneath the Dragon heads at all times, and the rubber protrusions assist in spin stealing from right spin Beyblades.


L-Drago Destroy has two modes which can be switched between exactly like Lightning L-Drago and Meteo L Drago. By disassembling the Face and Metal Wheel, then rotating the Metal Frame, there are two modes:

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*'''Attack Mode''':
Attack Mode is when plastic on the Core is visible amidst each dragon head on the Metal Frame.
*'''Absorb Mode''':
Absorb Mode is when rubber on the Core is visible admist each dragon head on the Metal Frame.
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It is widely considered that Attack Mode is superior to Absorb Mode.

Like the L-Drago II Clear Wheel, L Drago Destroy is capable of equalizing rotations between itself and the opposing Beyblade, but to a lesser extent than that of Meteo LDrago.

Use in Attack Customization
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Due to its width, large gaps, and weight, L-Drago Destroy was once considered a prolific Smash Attacker. Its most prominent combos were MF L-Drago Destroy BD145RF and MF L-Drago Destroy CH120XF. L Drago Destroy works well with many parts, but cannot keep up with the current top Defense Wheels, such as Death and Duo. It also is overshadowed by VariAres and Blitz for Attack.


Bottom: Final Survive

-Weight: 5.73 Grams

Final Survive, or F:S, is a completely automatic bottom, which goes from Attack to Stamina. It switches modes when the spin speed slows, and switches from Hole Flat to Sharp. The tabs on the side of F:S are what enable the Mode Change. The change between causes a disruption in the Beyblade’s balance, especially since the bottom being switched to is notorious for having bad balance.

This loss in balance, as well as the inability for this slightly wider HF to sustain a Sliding Shoot pattern, makes F:S a competitively useless part.

Other Versions

L-Drago Destroy DF105LRF Gold Armored Ver. – WBBA Exclusive (Gold)

Gallery

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Overall

-Weight: 50 Grams

The L Drago series is known for having powerful Attack, and L Drago Destroy lives up to this aspect, being commonly regarded as superior to Lightning L Drago. L Drago Destroy does not Spin Steal as well as Meteo L Drago, so the latter should be used for a Spin Stealing combo. F:S has no uses, and L Drago Destroy has recently been put out of commission. There is little to no reason to purchase this Beyblade.

I also reformatted it the way Kei wants for 4D Beyblades.

Few edits.

Looking at this article, I really don't like the way the overall has been written. It's as if you are building it up to make it sound great, and then suddenly 'Don't buy this'. Perhaps a transition could be placed there? Ex:

Quote:Overall

The L-Drago series is known for having powerful Attack, and L-Drago Destroy lives up to this aspect, being commonly regarded as superior to Lightning L-Drago, but L-Drago Destroy does not Spin Steal as well as Meteo L-Drago so the latter is a superior choice for a Spin Stealing combo. However, L-Drago Destroy has recently been put out of commission by more powerful Attack-type Metal Wheels such as Blitz and VariAres, and F has no uses. Therefore, there is little to no reason to purchase this Beyblade.

Do what you will with my edit, just a suggestion.

I added Shabalabadoo's edits; however I cannot see why it was written "Crossing my fingers"...

Anyways, should I add the other edits or what? Any disagreements?

Yeah use both of them!

In the first post, if you look in the spoiler called "BBS's Draft", it has the weights there. By the way BeybladeStation, you can just remove the original drafts now.

Quote:Face: L-Drago III

This mark features a more complete form of L Drago, while also showing a more aggressive design. "L Drago" isn't written anymore, and, instead, the rest of the dragon's neck is shown as well as its left hand, its right arm and its right shoulder.

4D Metal Wheel: L-Drago Destroy

-Weight: 44.29 Grams

This Metal Wheel is made up of two parts; a Core and a Metal Frame. Unlike other 4D Metal Wheels, the Core is made of rubber/plastic and sits below–rather than above–the Metal Frame, which comprises the bulk of the Metal Wheel.

--Metal Frame

The Metal Frame is the largest part of the Metal Wheel and therefore makes the most contact with opposing Beyblades. Like previous L Drago Wheels, the three-sided Metal Frame is shaped to resemble three dragon heads. It is much wider, has larger gaps between each head, and is significantly heavier than each of the former L Drago Wheels, many of which were notorious for their extremely light weight.

--Core

The Core is made of PC plastic as well as PVC rubber, continuing the trend started with Meteo L Drago. It is comprised of six protrusions which act as the "teeth" for the dragon heads; all six contain rubber, but only three expose rubber in an area where it can easily make contact with the opposing Beyblade, while the other three expose plastic. The rubber protrusions can assist in spin stealing from right spin Beyblades.


Like all 4D Metal Wheels, L-Drago Destroy features a mode changing gimmick. It works by rotating the Metal Frame while the Beyblade is disassembled. The two Modes are:

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*'''Attack Mode''':
In this mode, the rubber protrusions on the Core are aligned with the front of the "dragon heads" on the Metal Frame.
*'''Absorb Mode''':
In this mode, the Core is rotated 180° so that the plastic protrusions on the Core are aligned with the front of the "dragon heads" of the Metal Frame.
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Attack Mode is widely considered to be superior to Absorb Mode for Smash Attack. The rubber protrusions on the Core are covered for the most part by the dragon heads while in Absorb Mode, allowing for the plastic protrusions to make the bulk of the contact in combination with the Metal Frame. In Attack Mode, L-Drago Destroy can be considered an upgrade to the popular Lightning L-Drago, but it has since been outclassed for general use by Wheels like Blitz and VariAres.

Use in Attack Customization
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Though it has less pure Smash Attack power than Wheels like Blitz and VariAres, what L Drago Destroy does have is less recoil. This can make it a somewhat more reliable choice to play against Stamina customizations, which do not necessarily require the huge amount of brute force to be KOed found in Blitz and VariAres. The customization MF L-Drago Destroy BD145MF can be used for this purpose; the reliability of L-Drago Destroy and the controllability of MF combine to make a usable Smash Attacker versus lightweight and tall-Track Stamina customs.

Bottom: Final Survive

-Weight: 5.73 Grams

F:S is a completely automatic bottom, switching between "Hole Flat" and "Sharp" tips as its spin velocity lowers. The HF tip, which is slightly wider than the regular HF Bottom has trouble maintaining a Sliding Shoot pattern, and the change between tips causes a disruption in the Beyblade’s balance, especially given the notorious balance issues of Sharp Bottoms. This Bottom therefore has absolutely no use competitively.

Other Versions

L-Drago Destroy DF105LRF Gold Armored Ver. – WBBA Exclusive (Gold)
L-Drago Destroy F:S Legend Beyblade Ver. – WBBA Exclusive (Gold)

Gallery

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Overall

The L-Drago series is known for having powerful Attack, and L-Drago Destroy lives up to this aspect, being commonly regarded as superior to Lightning L-Drago due to its increased weight, attack range, and more prominently exposed wings. L-Drago Destroy does not Spin Steal as well as Meteo L-Drago, so the latter should be used for a Spin Stealing combo. F:S is useless competitively, but L-Drago Destroy can be used in specific situations. L-Drago Destroy F:S is not a must-have, but it is nevertheless a welcome addition to any collection.

Re-wrote/updated most of the article. A couple questions, though:

Is there a specific name for the L Drago Destroy F:S from the Legend Beyblade Set? I just put "Legend Beyblade Ver.", as you can see.

I did not include a paragraph describing the uses for Absorb Mode. I wanted to say that it was better for spin-stealing purposes, but I wasn't sure if that was true/if it had been proven. Also, it was mentioned in the L Drago Destroy and Overall sections that Meteo L Drago was superior for that purpose. Has this been proven as well? Even if it is better, I would argue that it's almost guaranteed suicide to use Meteo L Drago these days given its lightweight and the recoil of the opponents it is likely to face.

Okay thanks, I will update now!

And I'm not so sure what the name of that version is.

There is no official name for that version.

Kei Wrote:Face: L-Drago III

This mark features a more complete form of L Drago, while also showing a more aggressive design. "L Drago" isn't written anymore, and, instead, the rest of the dragon's neck is shown as well as its left hand, its right arm and its right shoulder.

The word "L Drago" was abandoned on L Drago II, should we really mention it again?

--Core

The Core is made of PC plastic as well as PVC rubber, continuing the trend started with Meteo L Drago. It is comprised of six protrusions, all of which represent dragons’ lower jaws; three are made of rubber and have plastic tongues, while the other three are made of plastic and have rubber tongues. The rubber protrusions can assist or hinder spin stealing from right spin Beyblades.

If your Beyblade with rubber parts has more grip on another Beyblade, then that beyblade also has more grip on yours. Circumstances makes it advantageous or disadvantageous.


Like all 4D Metal Wheels, L-Drago Destroy features a mode changing gimmick. It works by rotating the Metal Frame 180° while the Beyblade is disassembled. The two Modes are:

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*'''Attack Mode''':
In this mode, the rubber jaws on the Core are aligned with the dragon heads’ upper jaws on the Metal Frame.

*'''Absorb Mode''':
In this mode, the plastic jaws on the Core are aligned with the dragon heads’ upper jaws on the Metal Frame.
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Attack Mode is widely considered to be superior to Absorb Mode for Smash Attack.In Absorb Mode, the rubber protrusions on the Core are covered for the most part by the dragon heads while in Absorb Mode, allowing for the plastic protrusions to make the bulk of the contact in combination with the Metal Frame. In Attack Mode, L-Drago Destroy can be considered an upgrade to the popular Lightning L-Drago, but it has since been outclassed for general use by Wheels like Blitz and VariAres.

I’m unsure about the second sentence, aren’t the rubber protrusions least covered when in Absorb Mode?


Bottom: Final Survive
-Weight: 5.73 Grams

F:S is a completely automatic bottom, switching from "Hole Flat" to "Sharp" tips as its spin velocity lowers. The HF tip, which is slightly wider than the regular HF Bottom has trouble maintaining a Sliding Shoot pattern, and the change between tips causes a disruption in the Beyblade’s balance, especially given the notorious balance issues of Sharp Bottoms. This Bottom therefore has absolutely no use competitively.

I leave to your discretion (as well as anyone involved in this draft) to take or leave my Metal Wheel edits, but I'm adamant about the changes on Final Survive; the way it's written now could be misleading.

As far as spin stealing/equalizing goes, It was already niche when Meteo L Drago was at its "peak", and I don't think it has improved in our current metagame, if my own (informal) testing is anything to go by.

From my experience, Absorb Mode does spin steal more than Attack Mode.

For the comparisson with Meteo, it's what I had read back when people were originally testing L Drago Destroy. Although I agree that it's worthless for competitive play, I put it in there as a "Hmm, I wonder which one steals spin better..." scenario.

MLD is still usable, given things it used to beat are still around in most meta, and LDD's poor stamina makes it significantly less effective, even if it is harder to KO.

(Jan. 30, 2012  4:11 AM)Nocto Wrote: [ -> ]I’m unsure about the second sentence, aren’t the rubber protrusions least covered when in Absorb Mode?

Ah, yes. You're right. I think I meant to write "Attack Mode".

(Jan. 30, 2012  4:11 AM)Nocto Wrote: [ -> ]If your Beyblade with rubber parts has more grip on another Beyblade, then that beyblade also has more grip on yours. Circumstances makes it advantageous or disadvantageous.

In what situations would it be disadvantageous? The more it is able to "absorb" from its opponent, or the more it is able to make contact with it, the better.

Here's an updated version with most of your edits included:

(Jan. 30, 2012  4:58 AM)Shabalabadoo Wrote: [ -> ]For the comparisson with Meteo, it's what I had read back when people were originally testing L Drago Destroy. Although I agree that it's worthless for competitive play, I put it in there as a "Hmm, I wonder which one steals spin better..." scenario.

That probably is the case. First impressions are often lasting, haha. It would be nice if someone could do some testing comparing the two ... maybe:

MF Meteo L Drago ED145EWD/MF L Drago Destroy ED145EWD vs. Phantom/Duo Aquario BD145CS/EDS/AD145WD/TH170D.

I don't know if ED145 would be the best Track or not, but I've heard of people using it before.

(Jan. 30, 2012  5:32 PM)Kei Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jan. 30, 2012  4:11 AM)Nocto Wrote: [ -> ]If your Beyblade with rubber parts has more grip on another Beyblade, then that beyblade also has more grip on yours. Circumstances makes it advantageous or disadvantageous.

In what situations would it be disadvantageous? The more it is able to "absorb" from its opponent, or the more it is able to make contact with it, the better.

Circumstances here would be the match-up, and the rotational velocity of each beyblade at any given time.

However, All I meant to say was that the opposing Beyblade can also use L-Drago Destroy's rubber to its advantage, to "absorb" L-Drago's spin, but perhaps I put emphasis on something overly obvious, or maybe it is simply irrelevant.