(Jan. 31, 2021  2:54 AM)Pixi Wrote: wait what battles are in this episode?

(Jan. 31, 2021  2:09 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Jan. 31, 2021  2:07 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: A lot of people have been called prodigies and have been in this business way longer than Lean has, so I could understand parts of why people rage at his power level (other than some plot armor). Granted, Valt and Rantaro ain't gonna win without some plan.

You can still be a skilled blader even if someone has been blading before you. Like the whole thing with Valt and Shu, Valt was playing longer than Shu but Shu quickly caught up and got stronger than Valt. Why aren't people mad at him?

1. In real life; upto a certain point talent is overshadowed by hard work. This is obvious as if a talented person doesnt put in any effort he/she is bound to not perform well. However, if that talented person has to reach to the same level as another less talented person; he/she will no doubt have to work hard. But the amount of work put in will be lesser as compared to the less talented person. For example; the current world champion in chess Magnus Carlsen was a child Prodigy and he managed to defeat a former world champion at the age of 12/13. Obviously the former world champion put in a lot of work since his childhood but he still lost due to the gap in talent among other reasons. One important thing to nte is that Magnus also worked extremely hard since when he was 5 years. 
   
2. Now coming to the point of Lean. Lean is the classic example of lazy writing. Yes, he has been shown to be powerful and has been called a prodigy. But as I said earlier, we haven't really seen him working super hard to achieve the level of power he has. Another problem is that the way he beats opponents is also odd; with a seemingly odd plot device called flare which could have had interesting applications. 
   

(Jan. 31, 2021  12:07 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Jan. 30, 2021  11:54 PM)g2_ Wrote: Bro, Lane has been blading for like a few months, he is the one with all the plot armor. Explain to me, how can Hikaru and Hyuga beat Shu and Lane, but Valt and Rantaro can't?

He's been known as a blading prodigy even before Lucius and trained under Shu Kurenai. What did you expect? A weakling?

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He's a decently skilled blader and his beys gimmicks once you understand are different but nothing too crazy, they're just hard to crack.

(Jan. 31, 2021  2:51 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Jan. 31, 2021  2:09 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: You can still be a skilled blader even if someone has been blading before you. Like the whole thing with Valt and Shu, Valt was playing longer than Shu but Shu quickly caught up and got stronger than Valt. Why aren't people mad at him?

It makes me wonder how many fan favorites Lui took down during his first national tournament win. If we saw the story at that time, people would probably rage.

(Jan. 31, 2021  4:34 AM)Vtryuga Wrote: This entire talent vs hardwork theme with lean beating the legends is the major concern which I can see.
My take on this is  as follows:

1. In real life; upto a certain point talent is overshadowed by hard work. This is obvious as if a talented person doesnt put in any effort he/she is bound to not perform well. However, if that talented person has to reach to the same level as another less talented person; he/she will no doubt have to work hard. But the amount of work put in will be lesser as compared to the less talented person. For example; the current world champion in chess Magnus Carlsen was a child Prodigy and he managed to defeat a former world champion at the age of 12/13. Obviously the former world champion put in a lot of work since his childhood but he still lost due to the gap in talent among other reasons. One important thing to nte is that Magnus also worked extremely hard since when he was 5 years. 
   
2. Now coming to the point of Lean. Lean is the classic example of lazy writing. Yes, he has been shown to be powerful and has been called a prodigy. But as I said earlier, we haven't really seen him working super hard to achieve the level of power he has. Another problem is that the way he beats opponents is also odd; with a seemingly odd plot device called flare which could have had interesting applications. 
   

(Jan. 31, 2021  8:43 PM)Nitrogenic Wrote: I like how they are giving Drum and Lui the spotlight after they already lost three times, two in a very mediocre way, lol! Would they really need to try against Aiga and Ranjiro? Kinda since he's finally using SHIELD.

(Jan. 31, 2021  9:06 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jan. 31, 2021  8:43 PM)Nitrogenic Wrote: I like how they are giving Drum and Lui the spotlight after they already lost three times, two in a very mediocre way, lol! Would they really need to try against Aiga and Ranjiro? Kinda since he's finally using SHIELD.

Honestly Aiga and Ranjiro are doing better than them so you underestimating them doesn’t make much sense. Statistically Drum and Lui are fourth/third out of the teams 🤷‍♂️. I do have to say, although I’m not much of an Aiga or Ranjiro fan myself, people who underestimate based on their bias are just annoying.

(Jan. 31, 2021  11:05 PM)EarthHelios Wrote: Tell me if it goes the way for the Valt and Rantaro duo win against Shu and Lane so these would be the placements at the end of the tournament?:
1. Hikaru and Hyuga- 5 wins (Aiga and Ranjiro, Lui and Drum, Free and Sisco, Valt and Rantaro, and Shu and Lane) 2 losses (Shu and Lane, Valt and Rantaro)
2. Shu and Lane- 4 wins (Hikaru and Hyuga, Aiga and Ranjiro, Lui and Drum, and Free and Sisco) 2 Loss (Valt and Rantaro, Hikaru and Hyuga)
3. Valt and Rantaro- 3 wins (Hikaru and Hyuga, Free and Sisco, Shu and Lane) 3 losses (Lui and Drum, Aiga and Ranjiro, Hikaru and Hyuga)
4. Lui and Drum- 2 wins (Valt and Drum, Aiga and Ranjiro) 3 losses (Free and Sisco, Shu and Lane, Hikaru and Hyuga)
5. Aiga and Ranjiro- 2 wins (Free and Sisco, Valt and Rantaro) 3 losses (Shu and Lane, Hikaru and Hyuga, Lui and Drum)
6. Free and Sisco- 1 win (Lui and Drum) 4 losses (Aiga and Ranjiro, Valt and Rantaro, Shu and Lane, Hikaru and Hyuga)

(Jan. 31, 2021  10:57 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Jan. 31, 2021  9:06 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Honestly Aiga and Ranjiro are doing better than them so you underestimating them doesn’t make much sense. Statistically Drum and Lui are fourth/third out of the teams 🤷‍♂️. I do have to say, although I’m not much of an Aiga or Ranjiro fan myself, people who underestimate based on their bias are just annoying.

Main reason I believe Drum and Lui will win is the focus from the preview and the rainbow aura. Not to mention, that would leave another team at 2 wins, which could line up nicely later on.

(Jan. 31, 2021  9:06 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jan. 31, 2021  8:43 PM)Nitrogenic Wrote: I like how they are giving Drum and Lui the spotlight after they already lost three times, two in a very mediocre way, lol! Would they really need to try against Aiga and Ranjiro? Kinda since he's finally using SHIELD.

Honestly Aiga and Ranjiro are doing better than them so you underestimating them doesn’t make much sense. Statistically Drum and Lui are fourth/third out of the teams 🤷‍♂️. I do have to say, although I’m not much of an Aiga or Ranjiro fan myself, people who underestimate based on their bias are just annoying.

(Feb. 01, 2021  3:55 AM)Nitrogenic Wrote:

(Jan. 31, 2021  9:06 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Honestly Aiga and Ranjiro are doing better than them so you underestimating them doesn’t make much sense. Statistically Drum and Lui are fourth/third out of the teams 🤷‍♂️. I do have to say, although I’m not much of an Aiga or Ranjiro fan myself, people who underestimate based on their bias are just annoying.

Statistics don't matter lol

(Feb. 01, 2021  6:06 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Feb. 01, 2021  3:55 AM)Nitrogenic Wrote: Statistics don't matter lol

Why wouldn’t they? Evidently most of the teams participating in this tournament are more or less on equal grounds based on who beats who, if statistics don’t matter then neither should (your) bias. Besides even if bias (or misjudgement) was actually correct then Lui and Drum losing to Free/Silas would just make them worse still. No offense but it smells an awful lot like bias in here 👃🤔

(Feb. 01, 2021  8:33 AM)valtaoi_007 Wrote:

(Feb. 01, 2021  6:06 AM)Zeutron Wrote: Why wouldn’t they? Evidently most of the teams participating in this tournament are more or less on equal grounds based on who beats who, if statistics don’t matter then neither should (your) bias. Besides even if bias (or misjudgement) was actually correct then Lui and Drum losing to Free/Silas would just make them worse still. No offense but it smells an awful lot like bias in here 👃🤔

the entire beyblade series is biased, what do you think plot armor is?

(Feb. 01, 2021  6:06 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Feb. 01, 2021  3:55 AM)Nitrogenic Wrote: Statistics don't matter lol

Why wouldn’t they? Evidently most of the teams participating in this tournament are more or less on equal grounds based on who beats who, if statistics don’t matter then neither should (your) bias. Besides even if bias (or misjudgement) was actually correct then Lui and Drum losing to Free/Silas would just make them worse still. No offense but it smells an awful lot like bias in here 👃🤔

(Feb. 01, 2021  8:42 PM)Nitrogenic Wrote:

(Feb. 01, 2021  6:06 AM)Zeutron Wrote: Why wouldn’t they? Evidently most of the teams participating in this tournament are more or less on equal grounds based on who beats who, if statistics don’t matter then neither should (your) bias. Besides even if bias (or misjudgement) was actually correct then Lui and Drum losing to Free/Silas would just make them worse still. No offense but it smells an awful lot like bias in here 👃🤔

Statistics don't matter when you got plot armor villain riding the league and legends beating legends that beat other legends that beat the first pair of legends. Sure you can say Aiga and Rantaro beat Free and Silas who beat Lui and Drum but you can also say that Drum and Lui did better against the twins and against Lane and Shu than Aiga and Rantaro did. With the exception of Lane and Shu and the protags, the legends are on equal grounds in terms of power and it all comes down to strategy or stadium use. So yes statistics don't matter when any of the legends can beat any of the legends. And the Free and Silas excuse? Guess who used Nothing Break and guess who got lucky with the speed plate. I'm not biased, Lui and Drum are better in legend rankings overall and have the same levels of synergy.