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Returning Player, Looking for Guide - Redemption - Dec. 11, 2018
Hi! I'm a returning player who played casually during MFB. Is there a definitive guide to Hasbro Only Burst such as a what to buy thread? Also, where can I semi-cheaply buy a standard stadium since it is the only legal one?
RE: Returning Player, Looking for Guide - DragonicMeister - Dec. 12, 2018
That’s hard to determine depending on your suit of style in battle. But one thing for certain is that the Spryzen Requiem and Maximus Garuda layers are banned.
RE: Returning Player, Looking for Guide - MetalMenace - Dec. 12, 2018
I'd say for a legal, burst official stadium try for Amazon and wait for a sale. Otherwise you are gonna' have to go for Walmart or Target for your needs.
RE: Returning Player, Looking for Guide - (=° ∀ °=) - Dec. 12, 2018
With Hasbro removing metal from their slingshock line, it looks to be that Switchstrike/God Layer System will be the dominating force in the Hasbro-only meta, with a few drivers and layers possibly being competitive enough in the format.
That said, I gave the wiki a quick glance and this is what's considered viable:
Energy Layers:
[Considered Must-haves]
- Luinor L3 (ATK) [L]
- Xcalius X3 (ATK) [R]
- Legend Spryzen S3 (BAL) [L/R]
- Balkesh B3 (DEF) [L]
[Welcome Additions]
- Kerbeus K4 (DEF) [R]
- Khalzar K3 (ATK) [R]
- Fafnir F3 (STA) [L]
- Caynox C3 (STA) [R]
[Banned from competitive play, good for testing your builds]
- Spryzen Requiem S3 (BAL) [L/R]
- Garuda G3 (STAM) [R]
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Forge Disks: (Takara Disks are legal in Hasbro format)
[Must-haves]
- 0
- 2
- 4/5 (Considered the same, performance-wise)
- 7 (Takara version is slightly better)
- 10 (Takara Cho-Z exclusive for now)
[Welcome Additions]
- 1
- 8
[Banned]
- Ωuter (Takara exclusive) (Possibly unbanned soon)
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Disk Frame:
[Viable]
- No frame (Depends on strategy)
- Bump (Good weight addition)
- Cross (High Life After Death)
- Glaive (High Life After Death)
- Proof (Takara Cho-Z exclusive for now) (High Life After Death)
[Welcome Additions]
- Meteor
- Vortex
- Star
- Under
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Performance Tips:
[Must-Haves]
- Atomic
- Bearing
- Trans
- Destroy
- Xtreme
- Jolt-S (Turbo)
[Welcome Addition]
- Defense
- Hold
- Orbit
- Hunter
- Iron
- Needle
- Zephyr
- Yard-S (Turbo)
- Extend-S (Turbo)
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May have missed a few here or there. For further refence and reading, please refer to:
- List of Burst System & Dual Layer System Parts
- List of God/Switchstrike Layer System Parts
- List of Cho-Z/Turbo Slingshock System Parts
Click on a part and look at the product list for an idea on which items to purchase, they should be separated by Takara Tomy and Hasbro releases.
Standard Stadiums B-09 and B-33 may be purchased from Amazon. B-33 is black with a slightly taller shield and opening, B-09 is the standard white one.
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If you're wondering why I went through the trouble of making a list like this, I've also been considering opening a Hasbro only format/scene in my area but am still doing some research into it before fully committing, so I can refer to this again for my ease of use as well.
Thanks for reading~
RE: Returning Player, Looking for Guide - Adarsh Abhinav - Dec. 12, 2018
(Dec. 12, 2018 7:33 AM)(=° ∀ °=') Wrote: With Hasbro removing metal from their slingshock line, it looks to be that Switchstrike/God Layer System will be the dominating force in the Hasbro-only meta, with a few drivers and layers possibly being competitive enough in the format.
That said, I gave the wiki a quick glance and this is what's considered viable:
Energy Layers:
[Considered Must-haves]
- Luinor L3 (ATK) [L]
- Xcalius X3 (ATK) [R]
- Legend Spryzen S3 (BAL) [L/R]
- Balkesh B3 (DEF) [L]
[Welcome Additions]
- Kerbeus K4 (DEF) [R]
- Khalzar K3 (ATK) [R]
- Fafnir F3 (STA) [L]
- Caynox C3 (STA) [R]
[Banned from competitive play, good for testing your builds]
- Spryzen Requiem S3 (BAL) [L/R]
- Garuda G3 (STAM) [R]
-----
Forge Disks: (Takara Disks are legal in Hasbro format)
[Must-haves]
- 0
- 2
- 4/5 (Considered the same, performance-wise)
- 7 (Takara version is slightly better)
- 10 (Takara Cho-Z exclusive for now)
[Welcome Additions]
- 1
- 8
[Banned]
- Ωuter (Takara exclusive) (Possibly unbanned soon)
-----
Disk Frame:
[Viable]
- No frame (Depends on strategy)
- Bump (Good weight addition)
- Cross (High Life After Death)
- Glaive (High Life After Death)
- Proof (Takara Cho-Z exclusive for now) (High Life After Death)
[Welcome Additions]
- Meteor
- Vortex
- Star
- Under
-----
Performance Tips:
[Must-Haves]
- Atomic
- Bearing
- Trans
- Destroy
- Xtreme
- Jolt-S (Turbo)
[Welcome Addition]
- Defense
- Hold
- Orbit
- Hunter
- Iron
- Needle
- Zephyr
- Yard-S (Turbo)
- Extend-S (Turbo)
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May have missed a few here or there. For further refence and reading, please refer to:
- List of Burst System & Dual Layer System Parts
- List of God/Switchstrike Layer System Parts
- List of Cho-Z/Turbo Slingshock System Parts
Click on a part and look at the product list for an idea on which items to purchase, they should be separated by Takara Tomy and Hasbro releases.
Standard Stadiums B-09 and B-33 may be purchased from Amazon. B-33 is black with a slightly taller shield and opening, B-09 is the standard white one.
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If you're wondering why I went through the trouble of making a list like this, I've also been considering opening a Hasbro only format/scene in my area but am still doing some research into it before fully committing, so I can refer to this again for my ease of use as well.
Thanks for reading~
When did you made it? It's outdated
RE: Returning Player, Looking for Guide - (=° ∀ °=) - Dec. 12, 2018
(Dec. 12, 2018 7:36 AM)Adarsh Abhinav Wrote: When did you made it? It's outdated
I made it just now by quickly glancing at the wiki, which probably has outdated information. Since I have a large majority of all the Hasbro parts I'm probably going to be looking into doing my own testing before going forward.
Thanks for reading~
RE: Returning Player, Looking for Guide - Adarsh Abhinav - Dec. 12, 2018
(Dec. 12, 2018 7:41 AM)(=° ∀ °=') Wrote:(Dec. 12, 2018 7:36 AM)Adarsh Abhinav Wrote: When did you made it? It's outdated
I made it just now by quickly glancing at the wiki, which probably has outdated information. Since I have a large majority of all the Hasbro parts I'm probably going to be looking into doing my own testing before going forward.
Thanks for reading~
Alright
Outer is unbanned.
And 5 is better than 4 in all terms. Just everything. Hasbro 7 was hollowed
RE: Returning Player, Looking for Guide - Mage - Dec. 12, 2018
(Dec. 12, 2018 7:51 AM)Adarsh Abhinav Wrote:(Dec. 12, 2018 7:41 AM)(=° ∀ Wrote: I made it just now by quickly glancing at the wiki, which probably has outdated information. Since I have a large majority of all the Hasbro parts I'm probably going to be looking into doing my own testing before going forward.
Thanks for reading~
Alright
Outer is unbanned.
And 5 is better than 4 in all terms. Just everything. Hasbro 7 was hollowed
I would argue that 4 is better in right spin and 5 is better in left spin
RE: Returning Player, Looking for Guide - DaJetsnake - Dec. 12, 2018
(Dec. 12, 2018 7:33 AM)(=° ∀ °=) Wrote:Spoiler (Click to View)
I wouldn't consider Legend Spryzen (oof) a must have, Deep Caynox is more so on those lines
RE: Returning Player, Looking for Guide - (=° ∀ °=) - Dec. 14, 2018
(Dec. 12, 2018 7:51 AM)Adarsh Abhinav Wrote: Alright
Outer is unbanned.
And 5 is better than 4 in all terms. Just everything. Hasbro 7 was hollowed
I had forgotten the date that Outer was unbanned, the wiki wasn't been updated to reflect it yet I suppose.
Can't say I have experience with 4/5 anyways since I tend to just use 0, 2, 7(TT) and 10.
Also aware of the 7(TT) being better than 7(H), but thanks for the reminder.
(Dec. 12, 2018 7:35 PM)Mage Wrote: I would argue that 4 is better in right spin and 5 is better in left spin
Is there any evidence to back this up? Not calling you a liar, just curious on a knowledge level.
(Dec. 12, 2018 11:52 PM)DaJetsnake Wrote: I wouldn't consider Legend Spryzen (oof) a must have, Deep Caynox is more so on those lines
I see, that's interesting to know. Though to be fair, I did base my quick list off the wiki which states that it's a must-have in the Hasbro-only format (which again, may just be very outdated information). I do agree Caynox C3 is a very strong layer at the moment.
RE: Returning Player, Looking for Guide - Mage - Dec. 15, 2018
(Dec. 14, 2018 4:24 AM)(=° ∀ °=') Wrote:(Dec. 12, 2018 7:35 PM)Mage Wrote: I would argue that 4 is better in right spin and 5 is better in left spin
Is there any evidence to back this up? Not calling you a liar, just curious on a knowledge level.
The LAD is probably the most notable difference.
Putting a left spin layer on a frameless 4 yields the most notable difference in LAD between 4 and 5. The difference seems to be less significant when a right spin layer is put on 5 though, most likely due to 5 being overall more round than 4. I'm not too sure about the spin time difference and I'm a bit unwilling to test as it would take up a lot of time for something not entirely useful for the current meta. Hopefully that was sufficient for you.