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Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - TreeJay - Sep. 02, 2017
Several times in the anime (both dubbed and subbed), beyblade is referred to as a sport. This took me to the point where I put "Beyblade" as my favorite sport in school, and searched up what it means to be a sport on google.
Here are the requirements for a sport:
1) An activity used for fun
2)Puts strain on joints or muscles
3)Is played competitively between multiple people or teams
All of which beyblade falls under. So in that case, beyblade is technically a sport. What do you think about this?
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - Bersilus - Sep. 02, 2017
I agree. But it'll be a longggggg time before the public sees it that way as well.
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - Mage - Sep. 02, 2017
I agree with you entirely
As of now society deems beyblade as childish,l
Tbh I don't think they'll come to realize what makes it so fun or intriguing to adult audiences
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - Eleanor - Sep. 02, 2017
I wish beyblade could become popular like Fifa world cup or like the cricket world cup...having teams from different countries and having a big arena just like the cricket grounds have 22 yards
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - ThaKingTai - Sep. 02, 2017
The problem with Beyblade being a sport is that it is a Trademarked toy from Hasbro, TT and Young Toys. It's not like basketball, baseball or cricket, in which no company can lay claim to it. It's fun to think of as a sport though. It's just as competitive as other sports too.
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - Beylon - Sep. 02, 2017
Back in game design class, they told us sport was a game you play for money. What they meant was, sport happens when a game has a measurable impact on your survival. So fox hunting is sport. Professional cricket is sport. Battle Royale is sport. Boxing is sport by default because you MUST hit the other guy. I personally measure sport by whether the rewards for winning help you do something outside the game - which is unlike the kind of prizes offered through the WBO, which are really only useful in the game itself.
Beyblade could be sport if we had cash prizes or paid professional players - but it just isn't used that way in reality. There are other spinning top sports though, so it's not totally off the charts as an idea.
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - Eleanor - Sep. 02, 2017
Lets compare beyblade with other sport...I am comparing it with cricket coz its the only game I know almost all the rules...
1. In cricket and beyblade both physical strength is required. Cricket requires more muscle strength though.
2. Both are governed by a set of rules and customs competatively.
3. Both requires skills for achieving results.
According to above criteria beyblade is a sport but is not enough to make public appearance as a sport. Why? Thats because in every sport the result depends on the efforts of the athlete...
For eg. In cricket the the player has full control on the bat, the rotation of the ball and the wicket. So both the teams end up scoring. But whoever team has more efforts end up having more score and eventually wins.
But in beyblade the rotation and the movement of the beyblade cannot be controlled and depends on luck. We can increase the rotation but cannot controll the beyblade. So the result depends on probablity that the player may win or may not.
I did a quick survey in my locality and these were the results....
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - AndyHG - Sep. 02, 2017
(Sep. 02, 2017 2:41 PM)Eleanor Wrote: For eg. In cricket the the player has full control on the bat, the rotation of the ball and the wicket. So both the teams end up scoring. But whoever team has more efforts end up having more score and eventually wins.
But in beyblade the rotation and the movement of the beyblade cannot be controlled and depends on luck. We can increase the rotation but cannot controll the beyblade. So the result depends on probablity that the player may win or may not.
I did a quick survey in my locality and these were the results....
We could go back to the style of the rc Beyblades for control
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - Eleanor - Sep. 02, 2017
(Sep. 02, 2017 3:00 PM)AndyHG Wrote:(Sep. 02, 2017 2:41 PM)Eleanor Wrote: For eg. In cricket the the player has full control on the bat, the rotation of the ball and the wicket. So both the teams end up scoring. But whoever team has more efforts end up having more score and eventually wins.
But in beyblade the rotation and the movement of the beyblade cannot be controlled and depends on luck. We can increase the rotation but cannot controll the beyblade. So the result depends on probablity that the player may win or may not.
I did a quick survey in my locality and these were the results....
We could go back to the style of the rc Beyblades for control
Sure if its remote controlled then may be we dont have any problem....but then another question comes in mind...why arent all remote controlled toys competative?? Meaning we have remote controlled cars and planes then why isnt any tournament for them??? May be economy and finance is a reason...
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - TreeJay - Sep. 02, 2017
(Sep. 02, 2017 2:41 PM)Eleanor Wrote: Lets compare beyblade with other sport...I am comparing it with cricket coz its the only game I know almost all the rules...Archery is a sport, isn't it? In archery, where the arrow hits depends on the angle, pullback, and stance of the archer. Then, it's all up to the laws of physics to decide where the arrow lands. This goes for beyblade as well. where the beyblade lands and how it moves all depends on the parts used in the bey, the bladers stance, and the angle of the launcher.
1. In cricket and beyblade both physical strength is required. Cricket requires more muscle strength though.
2. Both are governed by a set of rules and customs competatively.
3. Both requires skills for achieving results.
According to above criteria beyblade is a sport but is not enough to make public appearance as a sport. Why? Thats because in every sport the result depends on the efforts of the athlete...
For eg. In cricket the the player has full control on the bat, the rotation of the ball and the wicket. So both the teams end up scoring. But whoever team has more efforts end up having more score and eventually wins.
But in beyblade the rotation and the movement of the beyblade cannot be controlled and depends on luck. We can increase the rotation but cannot controll the beyblade. So the result depends on probablity that the player may win or may not.
I did a quick survey in my locality and these were the results....
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - Limetka - Sep. 02, 2017
(Sep. 02, 2017 2:05 PM)Beylon Wrote: Back in game design class, they told us sport was a game you play for money. What they meant was, sport happens when a game has a measurable impact on your survival. So fox hunting is sport. Professional cricket is sport. Battle Royale is sport. Boxing is sport by default because you MUST hit the other guy. I personally measure sport by whether the rewards for winning help you do something outside the game - which is unlike the kind of prizes offered through the WBO, which are really only useful in the game itself.This is a very bad definition of sport, sorry.
Beyblade could be sport if we had cash prizes or paid professional players - but it just isn't used that way in reality. There are other spinning top sports though, so it's not totally off the charts as an idea.
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - Eleanor - Sep. 02, 2017
Well what Beylon said is actually a part of sport...thats becoz sports teach us how to survive in a harsh environment when the odds are stacked against U....like swimming...like hunting...like archery...every sport we know teach us how to survive in an unfavourable environment....and I think thats what beylon said...
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - Limetka - Sep. 02, 2017
The sports you listed are pretty quiestionable but ok. The most traditional sports like Basketball, football or hockey do not teach you how to survive, nor have to be played for money (hence streetasketball)
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - Eleanor - Sep. 03, 2017
Yeah Limetka what U said is also true....therefore the conclusion is we cannot define sports...if so not all sports fall into that catagory...
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - thoriumRing - Sep. 03, 2017
Beyblade can't become a sport. Like ThaKingTai said it's owned entirely by TT and it's licensees. To reach reach the kind of broad appeal you need more freedom to play in the design space. Imagine wildcat leagues classed by weight or material but otherwise unlimited in top source and design. That gets makers and CnC maniacs involved and an arms race to find the coolest thing.
Take car racing. The idea of a "car" isn't owned by anyone and despite them all being more or less the same in terms of parts included you still have a range of outcomes based on performance that day and driver skill. If the battling top environment encouraged that kind of ecosystem you'd have more of a sport.
I'm saying I want a Ferrari top.
Until then it won't become a "sport."
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - Ayane_2355 - Sep. 03, 2017
My opinion on the subject of Beyblade being a sport is, that though it would be nice to have more people taking Beyblade seriously, I know that Beyblade becoming a sport, is something that is very unlikely. But I am totally open to the idea, and discussion of Beyblade becoming a sport. Especially since, reading everyone's opinions, and reasons for why Beyblade should, or should not become a sport, is very interesting.
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - Beylon - Sep. 04, 2017
(Sep. 02, 2017 5:26 PM)Limetka Wrote:(Sep. 02, 2017 2:05 PM)Beylon Wrote: Back in game design class, they told us sport was a game you play for money. What they meant was, sport happens when a game has a measurable impact on your survival. So fox hunting is sport. Professional cricket is sport. Battle Royale is sport. Boxing is sport by default because you MUST hit the other guy. I personally measure sport by whether the rewards for winning help you do something outside the game - which is unlike the kind of prizes offered through the WBO, which are really only useful in the game itself.This is a very bad definition of sport, sorry.
Beyblade could be sport if we had cash prizes or paid professional players - but it just isn't used that way in reality. There are other spinning top sports though, so it's not totally off the charts as an idea.
Baha! Well, not a great explanation of why either. But I guess the following replies do indicate the point was lost. I was just drawing an academic distinction between what is a "game" and what is a "sport" because those two things are often taken as one, when they are actually not the same. The crucial point is how to measure the difference.
An easy example is Chess. You can play a game of chess with someone and that is all it will be - a harmless, friendly game between two normal people. But "professional" chess is a multinational sport which is a big deal all around the world. The difference between the "game" and the "sport" here is not in any physical skill using muscles - because chess is entirely intellectual. Nor is the difference in the presence of teamwork, which chess does not use at all. Instead, the difference is simply that "professional" chess players get paid to play chess. So in the context of "survival" it is not the "game" of chess itself which contributes to the players' ongoing ability to survive in real life - but the money they get paid for playing. Just like having a job and earning money is how you would normally survive in society.
When playing a game is your job (even your second job, or third job, part-time, or whatever) then you are playing that game "for sport" which is a very old concept. In traditional game-hunting, the "game" is the actual animal being hunted. In chess, the "game" is the board with the pieces on it. The "game" simply defines the rules and apparatus for playing - the hunted animal defines the rules and apparatus for each hunt. The concept of "sport" really just describes the "way you play" rather than the "game" itself and is different to (and perhaps greater than) a simple "game" because players are playing for keeps (where you take something of inherent value home at the end of the day). Actually earning something "real" from playing, like a salary, sponsorship payment, food or valuable prize money, makes any "game" played a sport.
That's why we have "professional sportsmen" but not "professional game players" as any game played for money is technically a sport.
That's also why I personally use a more specific definition (as I said originally). Winning beyblade-related prizes at WBO events doesn't make beyblade a sport for me - because those prizes can only really be used in more games of beyblade, rather than to survive in the real world. It's a grey area... But I think that's a good thing.
(Sep. 03, 2017 3:09 AM)thoriumRing Wrote: Beyblade can't become a sport. Like ThaKingTai said it's owned entirely by TT and it's licensees.
I'm saying I want a Ferrari top. Until then it won't become a "sport."
I also think this is true. Beyblade is a trademark and could probably only be "sportified" if Takara or Hasbro licensed it for that purpose. Doesn't stop almost identical top-fighting games being sports though. The Ferrari top concept (make your own hyper-performance fighting top) is something which gained a lot of traction in the lead up to Burst. Could still happen.
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - Alta - Sep. 04, 2017
Oh look it's this thread again.
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - Eleanor - Sep. 04, 2017
Hey everybody, I want to share something...its not related to this thread...U may all scroll down if not interested...
While on a shopping trip with my mom and my aunt...I watched an 8 yr old boy comming out of a shop having dranzer ms and draciel ms...he was walking behind his big brother...and silently saying "Beyblade ,beyblade...I have got a beyblade"... while intensely watching his two beyblades...his face had the most beautiful and priceless smile ever...I felt happy for the boy and thought beyblade still brings innocence back on those small kids...sneaking away from my mom and aunt...I ventured into the store and saw they were selling cosmic pegesus and other metal master beyblades..and somewhere in my mind I think I also had the same smile which brought back many memories when I got my first beyblade...
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - Latios300000 - Sep. 06, 2017
For me, beyblade is a sport. I dont say that because the anime and manga makes it be a sport in that world. I say this for many reasons. First we have "actual" sports. Things like basketball, soccer, american football,criket and much more. These kinds of sports all have one thing in common, they are very physical. Now we have the category I call "side" sports. By side sports i mean sports that people who mostly play "actual" sports dont consider a sport but by deffinition are sports. "Side" sports are things like chess, card game competitions,cup stacking, darts, billiards (pool), competative video games, and beyblade. All these "side" sports all have one big thing in common, they all mostly fille under hobbies. But with that said both "side" and "actual" can be called full sports because they all share these traits, that i feel define a "sport".
They are physical in some way
They make you use strategy
They can be competitive
They have tournaments
They have a community
They can be both a hobby and a job
And they are fun for those who enjoy it.
While my list might be a bit eh for some, for me thats what makes a sport. And yes many things can be a sport. I have heared people call gambling and playing in casino a sport too. So for me beyblade is more then just a game, it is a sport. But it is also a game. One we can play when we want, alone or with friends, one that does not judge on your age. Its a combination of everything. Beyblade makes you think, about all your parts, the opponents parts, the stadium, the rules, spin speed, launch style, launch angle, the beys movement pattern, launch force, and much much more then that. It is also physical as you have to youse strength to have the bey move faster. All this and more adds to the competition aspect of it as well. That just adds more to it being a sport in my opinion.
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - DECEPTICON - Sep. 09, 2017
We really do need to be on our ESPORTS flow.
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - bidinga - Sep. 09, 2017
honestly i can't think of anyone wasting time playing beyblades as a job unless they are a youtuber/get paid good money for it.i think for most people beyblade is just a side hobby.not enough people would be serious enough for beyblade to be a sport.
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - BusyBlader - Sep. 10, 2017
(Sep. 09, 2017 11:39 PM)bidinga Wrote: honestly i can't think of anyone wasting time playing beyblades as a job unless they are a youtuber/get paid good money for it.i think for most people beyblade is just a side hobby.not enough people would be serious enough for beyblade to be a sport.I'm more than serious enough. So i think it should be a olympic sport xD
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - Beylon - Sep. 10, 2017
(Sep. 10, 2017 4:19 AM)BusyBlader Wrote:(Sep. 09, 2017 11:39 PM)bidinga Wrote: honestly i can't think of anyone wasting time playing beyblades as a job unless they are a youtuber/get paid good money for it.i think for most people beyblade is just a side hobby.not enough people would be serious enough for beyblade to be a sport.I'm more than serious enough. So i think it should be a olympic sport xD
If curling can do it...
RE: Beyblade: The Honorary Sport! - FIREFIRE CPB - Sep. 10, 2017
IMO I think beyblade is more of a competive game then sport. As in sport your paid (as beylon mentioned) to represent a specific team, country, etc but in beyblade it doesn't work that way. In beyblade anyone can just pick up a beyblade from there local toy store and play. why would you pay each and every kid which plays beyblade weather its good or bad? Sure I know you still get some reward when you win tournament or place but thats why I called it competive game as you play for yourself and compete for a goal or place. As for team tournament it's possible to be paid for representing but there is problem. TT owns game so basicly they won't allow anyone else to make money of it which is problem as you will get paid to represent but if one who is paying won't make any profit. why would they pay in first place? even if that happen it won't be much profitable as most bladers are intrested in blading themselves and being best blader in world rather then watching other on tv it may still work but TT would rather make more profit by hosting events with fees and selling beys what they do now. if they allow other manifacturers to makw and use beyblade brand there would be still problem. More powerful parts would be very expensive as they would increase your chances of winning or basicly tool to earn you more (invest more, earn more) and it would break real fun of beyblade as it won't be game where anyone can get stronger and win. it would be kinda like bega and thats bad as we all know.
feel free to correct me if I said anything wrong.