Quote:Luinor L2, known in Japan as Lost Longinus, is an Energy Layer released as part of the Burst System. It debuted with the release of the B-66 Starter Lost Longinus Nine Spiral on December 28th, 2016.

==Description==
Luinor L2 is a wide and heavy Energy Layer designed for attack that features two large dragon heads, representing the anime's rendition of this Layer's beast, a dragon, that come from the perimeter in towards the center and four wings, two of which are larger and make up the main contact points and two of which are smaller and make up secondary contact points, creating an aggressive, high recoil design. The contact points of the larger wings are molded in the shape of spear heads which are meant to represent this Layer's Japanese namesake, the Roman Soldier Longinus of Biblical Events who stabbed Christ in the heart with a lance.

Luinor L2 has two main gimmicks:
The first are the dragon heads as they are made of metal. The inclusion of the metal makes Luinor L2 the heaviest Layer in the game.
The second is the fact that this Layer is made to spin Left, opposite to every other Burst Beyblade before it.

The heavy weight of Luinor L2 generates high inertia and with the aggressive design, makes this Layer excel in Knock-Out attack potential. While these features may also create high Burst attack potential, that's only true against another Left spin opponent. Against a Right spin Beyblade, the Left spinning nature of Luinor L2 means that it and the opponent's layer will spin together like gears, heavily reducing the rate of Bursts. However, Bursts are still possible, especially if Luinor L2 is spinning slower than the opponent, and the opposite spin creates an opposite movement pattern, increasing both the force of impact against an equally aggressive opponent and the rate of collisions, complimenting this Layer's high Knock-Out attack. The Takara Tomy release of Luinor L2 features three teeth of medium-high length that are capable of withstanding the recoil this Layer produces, even against another Left spin opponent and the heavy weight further increases Burst resistance as the Layer's higher inertia can better resist teeth skipping.

Despite the aggressiveness, Luinor L2's design also lends itself well to spin equalization in more passive combinations at it creates many points for the opponents Layer to hook into and increase the Luinor L2 combination's spin speed despite the high weight that normally hinders spin equalization.

==Use in Attack Combinations==
Luinor L2 can be put to use in the Attack customization Luinor L2 Heavy/Gravity/2Glaive/4Vortex Xtreme/Accel/Zephyr. The heavy weight of Heavy/Gravity/2Glaive/4Vortex further enhances Luinor L2's high inertia and the Layer's teeth and weight reduces the Burst risk associated with using heavy disks while Xtreme/Accel/Zephyr's aggressive movement compliments the Layer's Knock-Out attack.

==Use in Spin Equalization Combinations==
Luinor L2 can be put to use in the Spin Equalization combination Luinor L2 Spread/Knuckle/Heavy/Gravity/2Glaive/4Vortex Hold/Revolve. Luinor L2's shape, left spin nature and heavy weight allows it equalize spin with a right spin opponent, which the light weight of Spread/Knuckle further aids, and resist Knock-Outs and Bursts against Stationary Attack combinations, which the weight of Heavy/Gravity/2Glaive/4Vortex further aids. The high procession and free spinning nature of Hold/Revolve is also ideal for spin equalization and out spinning the opponent.

==Overall==
Due to Luinor L2's heavy weight, aggressive design and strong Burst resistance make the Layer an excellent part in Knock-Out Attack Combinations and the Left spin nature and aforementioned shape lends itself well to Spin Equalization Combinations. As such, Luinor L2 is a must have for competitive bladers.

==Product List==
==Takara Tomy==

• B-66 Lost Longinus Nine Spiral (White)
  
• Lost Longinus Nine Spiral (Crimson Dragon Ver.) (translucent blue, red painted dragon heads)
  
• B-00 Lost Longinus Nine Spiral (red colored plastic, black translucent plastic, gold painted dragon heads)
  

==Hasbro==

(May. 14, 2017  2:04 AM)ToxicAtom Wrote: Instead of "Christian history/Mythology", I'd say "Biblical events".

It's a very touchy subject when why have rules against religious speak but also have to discuss beys named after biblical figures.

(May. 14, 2017  3:02 AM)Kai-V Wrote: Lost Longinus on Hold barely wins by spin equalising. Instead, it bursts and knocks the hell out of the opponent most of the time. And personally, I find Lost Longinus to be bad at spin equalisation, so I would not risk using Lost Longinus on Revolve, nor would I personally say that is top-tier.

Quote:Luinor L2, known in Japan as Lost Longinus, is an Energy Layer released as part of the Burst System. It debuted with the release of the B-66 Starter Lost Longinus Nine Spiral on December 28th, 2016.

==Description==
Luinor L2 is a wide and heavy Energy Layer designed for attack that features two large dragon heads, representing the anime's rendition of this Layer's beast, a dragon, that come from the perimeter in towards the center and four wings, two of which are larger and make up the main contact points and two of which are smaller and make up secondary contact points, creating an aggressive, high recoil design. The contact points of the larger wings are molded in the shape of spear heads which are meant to represent this Layer's Japanese namesake, the Roman Soldier Longinus of Biblical Events who stabbed Christ in the heart with a lance.

Luinor L2 has two main gimmicks:
The first are the dragon heads as they are made of metal. The inclusion of the metal makes Luinor L2 the heaviest Layer in the game.
The second is the fact that this Layer is made to spin Left, opposite to every other Burst Beyblade before it.

The heavy weight of Luinor L2 generates high inertia and with the aggressive design, makes this Layer excel in Knock-Out attack potential. While these features may also create high Burst attack potential, that's only true against another Left spin opponent. Against a Right spin Beyblade, the Left spinning nature of Luinor L2 means that it and the opponent's layer will spin together like gears, heavily reducing recoil and rate of Bursts. However, if Luinor L2 is soft launched to give it a slower spin than the opponent, the slower spin speed will increase recoil, which both grants this Layer Burst Attack and further improves this Layer's Knock-Out Attack. Furthermore the opposite spin creates an opposite movement pattern, increasing the rate of collisions against a roaming opponent. The Takara Tomy release of Luinor L2 features three teeth of medium-high length that are capable of withstanding the recoil this Layer produces, even against another Left spin opponent as the heavy weight further increases Burst resistance as the Layer's higher inertia can better resist teeth skipping.

==Use in Attack Combinations==
Luinor L2 can be put to use in the Attack customization Luinor L2 Heavy/Gravity/2Glaive/4Vortex Xtreme/Accel/Zephyr/Hold. The heavy weight of Heavy/Gravity/2Glaive/4Vortex further enhances Luinor L2's high inertia and the Layer's teeth and weight reduces the Burst risk associated with using heavy disks while Xtreme/Accel/Zephyr/Hold's aggressive movement compliments the Layer's Knock-Out attack. Hold specifically, due to the soft launch needed control it, is able to give Luinor L2 the low spin velocity needed to give it Burst Attack.

==Overall==
Due to Luinor L2's heavy weight, aggressive design and strong Burst resistance make the Layer an excellent part in Knock-Out Attack Combinations, however, since Knock-Outs are less important in the Burst Metagame, Luinor L2 falls behind other Energy Layers that specialize in Burst Attack such as Valtryek and Xcalius. As such, Luinor L2 is a not must have but instead a welcome addition to any blader's collection.

==Product List==
==Takara Tomy==

• B-66 Lost Longinus Nine Spiral (White)
  
• Lost Longinus Nine Spiral (Crimson Dragon Ver.) (translucent blue, red painted dragon heads)
  
• B-00 Lost Longinus Nine Spiral (red colored plastic, black translucent plastic, gold painted dragon heads)
  
• B-00 Lost Longinus Nine Spiral (yellow/gold, black painted dragon heads)
  
  

==Hasbro==

(May. 14, 2017  3:34 AM)Kai-V Wrote: No video on my part since it would really require two people or a tournament anyway, but it is also very important to note that Lost Longinus must almost always be weak launched, to perform the greatest.

(May. 14, 2017  3:41 AM)Mage Wrote: There's also B-00 L2 Gold/yellow (plastic) and black(metal) ver

(May. 14, 2017  3:11 AM)MonoDragon Wrote: How's this?

Okay I'm seriously getting confused, on my Hold Draft I have some people telling me an L2 Hold combo is a spin equalizer and here I'm being told it's a heavy Burst and KO combo.

Does anyone have a video on this combo's performance so I can make sure.

(May. 14, 2017  3:02 AM)Kai-V Wrote: Lost Longinus on Hold barely wins by spin equalising. Instead, it bursts and knocks the hell out of the opponent most of the time. And personally, I find Lost Longinus to be bad at spin equalisation, so I would not risk using Lost Longinus on Revolve, nor would I personally say that is top-tier.

(May. 14, 2017  1:57 PM)Kai-V Wrote: What do you mean, it cannot burst things well? It bursts and knocks things out, when launched weakly, litterally "like there is no tomorrow". If that is not an Attack type doing what it does best, I do not know what is.

(May. 14, 2017  1:57 PM)Kai-V Wrote: What do you mean, it cannot burst things well? It bursts and knocks things out, when launched weakly, litterally "like there is no tomorrow". If that is not an Attack type doing what it does best, I do not know what is.

(May. 16, 2017  7:08 AM)Wombat Wrote: To be totally honest Kai-V, I really get the sense that you're taking out your personal frustrations about Burst on poor, Lost Longinus here. You've talked about it almost exclusively in absolute terms ever since you first posted your tests of it.

(May. 16, 2017  7:08 AM)Wombat Wrote: Also, I can't really make sense of this one sentence in the last paragraph in the Description section:
"However, Bursts if Luinor L2 is soft launched to give it a slower spin than the opponent as the slower spin speed increases recoil, which both grants this Layer Burst Attack further improves this Layer's Knock-Out Attack."

(May. 16, 2017  3:16 PM)Kai-V Wrote:

(May. 16, 2017  7:08 AM)Wombat Wrote: To be totally honest Kai-V, I really get the sense that you're taking out your personal frustrations about Burst on poor, Lost Longinus here. You've talked about it almost exclusively in absolute terms ever since you first posted your tests of it.

I have frustrations about Burst, but how is that even related to any degree to the fact that Lost Longinus + Hold is very powerful? If anything, I just want to make people aware of it and warn everybody about its possible domination. I do not see why A would cause me to talk in absolute terms about B...?

In Montréal's experience, the opponent launching weakly as well was not a sure-fire counter at all. It worked once in a while, but in no way was it a reliable strategy.

All I did that day was launch Lost Longinus pathetically weakly.

(May. 16, 2017  4:34 PM)MonoDragon Wrote: I'm gonna wait for another tournament with L2 use or more testing before calling it.

(May. 17, 2017  6:31 AM)MonoDragon Wrote: The way I see it, L2 can, to a degree, spin steal due to the wings acting as hooks.

If the opponent can resist bursting from L2's heavy weight, it will push L2 faster. But the effect is bogged down considerably due to the high inertia L2 has, it's so heavy it resists spin speed changes. It's enough to make a battle last longer than it would have with a right spin Beyblade, but not enough to be the main focus.

But that's from my experiences with L2 (yes I do own it), but I doubt the validity of my own experiences because:
1. I don't have any right spin Takara Tomy Beyblades yet (planning on fixing that), only Hasbro. That also means I don't have Hold to test the primary combo.
2. I don't have a Takara Tomy Stadium either

(May. 17, 2017  6:12 AM)Wombat Wrote: It just seems that you have taken rather extreme opinions about the part's characteristics, and are being unnecessarily stubborn about them... at first you thought that L2 only had some potential in KO Attack, and was horrible at Spin Stealing, then your opinion changed completely after using it in the Club Event, and now it seems that it's back to what it was before.

The way I see it, it's like you think it's impossible for L2 to have success Spin Stealing in a combo that is designed to do just that, even when the evidence states otherwise.

(May. 14, 2017  3:11 AM)MonoDragon Wrote:

Quote:Luinor L2, known in Japan as Lost Longinus, is an Energy Layer released as part of the Burst System. It debuted with the release of the B-66 Starter Lost Longinus Nine Spiral on December 28th, 2016.

==Description==
Luinor L2 is a wide and heavy Energy Layer designed for attack that features two large dragon heads, representing the anime's rendition of this Layer's beast, a dragon, that come from the perimeter in towards the center and four wings, two of which are larger and make up the main contact points and two of which are smaller and make up secondary contact points, creating an aggressive, high recoil design. The contact points of the larger wings are molded in the shape of spear heads which are meant to represent this Layer's Japanese namesake, the Roman Soldier Longinus of Biblical Events who stabbed Christ in the heart with a lance.

Luinor L2 has two main gimmicks:
The first are the dragon heads as they are made of metal. The inclusion of the metal makes Luinor L2 the heaviest Layer in the game.
The second is the fact that this Layer is made to spin Left, opposite to every other Burst Beyblade before it.

The heavy weight of Luinor L2 generates high inertia and with the aggressive design, makes this Layer excel in Knock-Out and Burst Attack potential. While the left-sin nature of Luinor L2 may imply that Burst Attack is only prevalent against other left-spin opponents, this Layer still has strong Burst Attack against Right spin opponents when soft launched.
Against a Right spin Beyblade, the Left spinning nature of Luinor L2 means that it and the opponent's layer will spin together like gears, heavily reducing recoil and rate of Bursts. However, if Luinor L2 is soft launched to give it a slower spin than the opponent, the slower spin speed will create recoil from the opponent's Layer catching into Luinor L2's blades, which both grants this Layer Burst Attack and further improves this Layer's Knock-Out Attack. Furthermore the opposite spin creates an opposite movement pattern, increasing the rate of collisions against a roaming opponent. The Takara Tomy release of Luinor L2 features three teeth of medium-high length that are capable of withstanding the recoil this Layer produces, even against another Left spin opponent as the heavy weight further increases Burst resistance as the Layer's higher inertia can better resist teeth skipping.

==Use in Attack Combinations==
Luinor L2 can be put to use in the Attack customization Luinor L2 Heavy/Gravity/2Glaive/4Vortex Xtreme/Accel/Zephyr/Hold. The heavy weight of Heavy/Gravity/2Glaive/4Vortex further enhances Luinor L2's high inertia and the Layer's teeth and weight reduces the Burst risk associated with using heavy disks while Xtreme/Accel/Zephyr/Hold's aggressive movement compliments the Layer's Knock-Out attack. Hold specifically, due to the soft launch needed control it, is able to give Luinor L2 the low spin velocity needed to give it Burst Attack.

==Overall==
Due to Luinor L2's heavy weight, aggressive design and strong Burst resistance make the Layer an excellent part in Knock-Out Attack Combinations, however, since Knock-Outs are less important in the Burst Metagame, Luinor L2 falls behind other Energy Layers that specialize in Burst Attack such as Valtryek and Xcalius. As such, Luinor L2 is a not must have but instead a welcome addition to any blader's collection.

==Product List==
==Takara Tomy==

• B-66 Lost Longinus Nine Spiral (White)
  
• Lost Longinus Nine Spiral (Crimson Dragon Ver.) (translucent blue, red painted dragon heads)
  
• B-00 Lost Longinus Nine Spiral (red colored plastic, black translucent plastic, gold painted dragon heads)
  
• B-00 Lost Longinus Nine Spiral (yellow/gold, black painted dragon heads)
  
  

==Hasbro==

(Jun. 10, 2017  8:51 PM)MonoDragon Wrote: I've settled on Lost Longinus having no spin-equalization potential and strong Knock-Out Attack and great, but not top tier, Burst Attack.

Thoughts?

(Jun. 10, 2017  8:51 PM)MonoDragon Wrote: Luinor L2, known in Japan as Lost Longinus, is an Energy Layer released as part of the Burst System. It debuted with the release of the B-66 Starter Lost Longinus Nine Spiral on December 28th, 2016.

==Description==
Luinor L2 is a wide and heavy Energy Layer designed for attack that features two large dragon heads, representing the anime's rendition of this Layer's beast, a dragon, that come from the perimeter in towards the center and four wings, two of which are larger and make up the main contact points and two of which are smaller and make up secondary contact points, creating an aggressive, high recoil design. The contact points of the larger wings are molded in the shape of spear heads which are meant to represent this Layer's Japanese namesake, the Roman Soldier Longinus of Biblical Events who stabbed Christ in the heart with a lance.

Luinor L2 has two main gimmicks:
The first are the dragon heads as they are made of metal. The inclusion of the metal makes Luinor L2 one of the heaviest Layers in the game.
The second is the fact that this Layer is made to spin Left, opposite to every other Burst Beyblade before it.

The heavy weight of Luinor L2 generates high inertia and with the aggressive design, makes this Layer excel in Knock-Out and Burst Attack potential. While the left-spin nature of Luinor L2 may imply that Burst Attack is only prevalent against other left-spin opponents, this Layer still has strong Burst Attack against Right spin opponents when soft launched.
Against a Right spin Beyblade, the Left spinning nature of Luinor L2 means that it and the opponent's layer will spin together like gears, heavily reducing recoil and rate of Bursts. However, if Luinor L2 is soft launched to give it a slower spin than the opponent, the slower spin speed will create recoil from the opponent's Layer catching into Luinor L2's blades, which both grants this Layer Burst Attack and further improves this Layer's Knock-Out Attack. Furthermore the opposite spin allows for some degree of Spin Equalization, however not enough to be the primary focus for customizations. The Takara Tomy release of Luinor L2 features three teeth of medium-high length that are capable of withstanding the recoil this Layer produces, even against another Left spin opponent as the heavy weight further increases Burst resistance as the Layer's higher inertia can better resist teeth skipping.

==Use in Attack Combinations==
Luinor L2 can be put to use in the Attack customization Luinor L2 Heavy/Gravity/2/4/6/7/8 Glaive/Vortex/Meteor Xtreme/Accel/Zephyr/Hold. The heavy weight of Heavy/Gravity/2Glaive/4Vortex further enhances Luinor L2's high inertia and the Layer's teeth and weight reduces the Burst risk associated with using heavy disks while Xtreme/Accel/Zephyr/Hold's aggressive movement compliments the Layer's Knock-Out attack. Hold specifically, due to the soft launch needed control it, is able to give Luinor L2 the low spin velocity needed to give it Burst Attack.

==Overall==
Due to Luinor L2's heavy weight, aggressive design and strong Burst resistance make the Layer an excellent part in Knock-Out Attack Combinations, however, since Knock-Outs are less important in the Burst Metagame, Luinor L2 falls behind other Energy Layers that specialize in Burst Attack such as Valtryek and Xcalius. As such, Luinor L2 is a not must have but instead a welcome addition to any blader's collection.

==Product List==
==Takara Tomy==

• B-66 Lost Longinus Nine Spiral (White)
  
  
• Lost Longinus Nine Spiral (Crimson Dragon Ver.) (translucent blue, red painted dragon heads)
  
  
• B-00 Lost Longinus Nine Spiral (red colored plastic, black translucent plastic, gold painted dragon heads)
  
  
• B-00 Lost Longinus Nine Spiral (yellow/gold, black painted dragon heads)
  
  

==Hasbro==