MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF - KainHighwind - Feb. 22, 2013
Blitz brought this combo up when he did his Girago and Pegasis tests, and when I saw how it gave Flash so much trouble I had to try it. I made sure Blitz was ok with me starting the thread and he said he would post some tests as well.
This combo is almost an Attack/Defense hybrid. Its succes over other ______Dragooon BD145RDF is due to it being able to KO things they can't.
BB-10
Beylauncher with launcher rubber for right spin
Beylauncher L with launcher rubber for left spin
RF is prime
One RDF is semi-new, one is semi-worn, and it will be stated which combo has which
Flash is still in great condition
MSF-L was used instead of MSF-H, because both of mine are broken as well as my MSFs. The title of the thread says MSF-H because that was the original combo.
MSF-L Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF(semi-worn) vs. MF Flash Orion GB145RF
WD always launched first.
1. WD OS
2. WD OS
3. Flash KO
4. WD OS
5. Flash KO
6. WD KO
7. WD OS
8. WD OS
9. Flash KO
10. Flash KO
11. Flash KO
12. Tie; Flash KO
13. WD OS
14. WD OS
15. WD KO
16. WD OS
17. WD KO
18. Tie; WD OS
19. WD KO
20. WD OS
21. WD OS
22. WD OS
23. Flash KO
24. Flash KO
25. WD KO
26. WD KO
27. WD OS
28. Flash KO
29. Tie; Flash KO
30. WD OS WD: 20 (14 OS, 6 KO)
Flash: 10 (0 OS, 10 KO)
3 DKO, all redone
WD Win %: 66.7%
I used the semi-worn RDF here instead of the newer one so that Flash would have every advantage it could. I believe the reason this is so hard for Flash to KO is because Wyvang Dragooon hits back, oh, and it is freakin heavy. I love that if Flash does hit hard enough to KO it, and Wyvang Dragooon gets a wall save, it will KO Flash. I pushed it to 30 rounds just to make sure results would stay consistent, and I loved seeing something man handle Flash. lol
MSF-L Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF(semi-worn) vs. MSF-L Revizer Revizer BD145RDF(semi-new)
Revizer launched first on even launches, WD launched first on odd.
RDFs were swapped after round 5
1. Tie; WD OS
2. WD OS
3. Tie; Revizer OS
4. Tie; Revizer OS
5. Tie; Tie; WD OS
6. Revizer OS
7. Revizer OS
8. Tie; Revizer OS
9. Tie; Tie; Tie; Tie; WD OS
10. Tie; Revizer OS WD: 4 (4 OS, 0 KO)
Revizer: 6 (6 OS, 0 KO)
10 Ties, all redone
WD Win %: 40.0%
As you can tell there are a lot of ties so I only did 10 rounds here because I was running out of time, and I will do the last 10 as soon as I can. It was strange to me that Wyvang Dragooon was winning more with the semi-worn RDF. I will say that all wins were so very close that it was hard to tell sometimes. This match is a toss up, it almost seemed that which ever one took over the middle at the end would win. I'm also willing to bet, with a new RDF and 100% launch that Wyvang Dragooon could possibly KO Revizer Revizer, but I don't know how consistently.
MSF-L Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF(semi-new) vs. Reviser Genbull SA165(normal)W2D
RGl launched first on even launches, WD launched first on odd.
1. WD OS
2. WD OS
3. WD OS
4. Tie; WD OS
5. WD OS
6. WD OS
7. WD KO
8. WD KO
9. WD OS
10. WD OS WD: 10 (8 OS, 2 KO)
RG: 0 (0 OS, 0 KO)
1 Tie that was redone
WD Win %: 100.0%
I tested against this because of the recent hype of it being a "spin stealer/equalizer killer." Revizer Genbull didn't have a chance. I even played around with different launch strengths for both combos, and Wyvang's KO came from when I launched it at 100%. With a new RDF and 100% launch you could probably KO this pretty consistently. I did only 10 rounds because of both time constraints and Revizer Genbull just didn't look like it could pull this off. If someone just absolutely wants me to do another 10 rounds I will.
MSF-L Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF(semi-new) vs. Duo Aquario B:D
Duo launched first on even launches, WD launched first on odd.
1. WD KO
2. Tie; WD KO
3. Tie; Duo OS
4. WD KO
5. WD KO
6. WD KO
7. WD KO
8. WD KO
9. WD KO
10. Tie; Tie; Tie; Tie; Tie; Duo OS WD: 8 (0 OS, 8 KO)
Duo: 2 (2 OS, 0 KO)
7 Ties that were all redone
WD Win %: 80.0%
This is not very hard for Wyvang Dragooon to KO. If it doesn't KO then Duo seems to be able to just barely OS it. Again, sorry for only 10 rounds, I will get to the other 10 soon.
I also did informal tests vs Duo Aquario 230D and Phantom Cancer 230D, and Wyvang Dragooon had no issues OS them so I didn't sit through 10 to 20 of formal testing when it was obviously Wyvang Dragooon was going to OS them everytime.
I also did informal tests vs Duo Aquario W145WD and Phantom Cancer 230D, and Wyvang Dragooon had no issues KOing them so again I didn't sit through a bunch of obvious tests. The tests vs. Duo W145WD might be worth doing at some point because it is a little harder to KO.
MSF-L Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF(semi-new) vs. MF Duo Aquario 230MB
Duo launched first on even launches, WD launched first on odd.
1. WD OS
2. WD OS
3. WD OS
4. WD OS
5. WD OS
6. WD OS
7. WD OS
8. WD OS
9. WD OS
10. WD OS WD: 10 (10 OS, 0 KO)
Duo: 0 (0 OS, 0 KO)
WD Win %: 100.0%
This is not a surprise. Duo 230MB has problems with spin stealers/equalizers, but I did them anyways just in case.
Blitz's tests
Attack Stadium.
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both.
Slightly worn RDF, Calm-ish, shot at about 70-80%.
Mint R2F, sliding shot at 100%.
Dragooon combo shot first.
Pegasis^2 CH120R2F VS MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF
Pegasis^2 CH120R2F: 6 Wins (All KO's)
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF: 14 Wins (12 by OS, 2 KO's)
Attack Stadium.
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both.
Slightly worn RDF, Calm-ish, shot at about 70-80%.
Slightly worn RF, sliding shot at 100%.
Dragooon combo shot first.
(Same for all tests)
MSF Girago^2 S130RF VS MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF
MSF Girago^2 S130RF: 2 Wins (Both KO's)
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RD: 18 Wins (16 by OS, 2 KO's)
I did do a few rounds without the MSF on Girago^2 but it didn't seem to make much of a difference.
Girago^2 SA165(Attack Mode)RF VS MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF
Girago^2 SA165(Attack Mode)RF: 2 Wins (Both KO's)
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF: 18 Wins (17 by OS, 1 KO)
I haven't really used SA165 in attack mode before and was interested to try it, although not too impressed with it on this particular custom haha.
Girago^2 CH120RF VS MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF
Girago^2 CH120RF: 7 Wins (All KO's)
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF: 13 Wins (All OS)
This was getting some very clean KO's.
MF Flash Orion S130RF VS MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF
MF Flash Orion S130RF: 7 Wins (All KO's)
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF 13 Wins (10 By OS, 3 KO's)
Conditions:
Attack Stadium.
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both.
Slightly worn CS, Calm-ish, shot at about 80%.
Slightly worn RDF, banked at 100%.
Alternatively shot (after I realised I'd never KO it).
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF VS MSF-H Revizer^2 E230 (boost mode) CS
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF: 20 Wins (All OS)
MSF-H Revizer^2 E230CS: 0 wins
I originally tried this to see if I could manage to KO it but after getting to round 10 and it not coming close It just turned into a defense stamina battle and with Dragooon being left spin it was quite obvious who would win.
Conditions:
Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both.
slightly worn RDF, shot at about 100%.
Near mint RDF, shot at 100%.
RDF's switched after 10 rounds.
Alternatively shot.
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF VS Revizer^2 BD145RDF
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF: 10 Wins (9 by OS, 1 by KO)
MSF-H Revizer^2 BD145RDF: 10 Wins (All by OS)
Ties: 6 which were redone
After I switched the slightly worn RDF onto the Revizer combo it started to out spin the Dragooon combo... So looking at Kain's tests too a slightly worn RDF seems to be better for spin equalizing, also everything else he said is spot on.
Conditions:
Attack Stadium.
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both.
Mint TB, shot at about 100%.
Slightly worn RDF, banked at 100%.
Genbull launched first.
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF VS Genbull^2 SR200TB
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF: 20 wins (8 by KO, 12 by OS)
Genbull^2 SR200TB: 0 wins
Conditions:
Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both.
slightly used EWD, shot at about 100%.
Slightly worn RDF, banked at 100%.
Alternatively shot.
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF VS MSF-H Revizer Dragooon SA165(stamina mode)EWD
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF: 11 wins (4 by OS, 7 By KO)
MSF-H Revizer Dragooon SA165EWD: 9 wins (7 By OS, 2 by KO)
I expected Wyvang Dragooon to do better in this one as I though it'll get a lot more KO's which means I may need to use a new RDF but it was able to OS when it got a few good hits on the other combo.
Conditions:
Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both.
slightly used B:D, shot at about 100%.
Slightly worn RDF, banked at 100%.
Revizer Killerken launched first.
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF VS MSF Revizer Killerken B:D
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF: 19 Wins (2 by KO, 17 by OS)
MSF Revizer Killerken B:D: 1 Win (By OS)
Ties: 9 that were redone.
Conditions:
Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both.
slightly used D, shot at about 100%.
Slightly worn RDF, banked at 100%.
Duo launched first.
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF VS MF-H Duo Cygnus W145D
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF: 16 Wins (9 by KO, 7 by OS)
MF-H Duo Cygnus W145D: 4 Wins (All by OS)
RE: MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF - Blitz - Feb. 22, 2013
Like Kain mentioned I used this combo in some recent attack tests I done but originally used it at the last tournament I was at (Freeze-Fest!) and won all my matches using it. I've been using different variants of the combo at UK tournaments for a few months now but this is by far my favorite variant of the ones that I've tried.
Anyway some more tests -
VS. Defense
Conditions:
Attack Stadium.
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both.
Slightly worn CS, Calm-ish, shot at about 80%.
Slightly worn RDF, banked at 100%.
Alternatively shot (after I realised I'd never KO it).
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF VS MSF-H Revizer^2 E230 (boost mode) CS
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF: 20 Wins (All OS)
MSF-H Revizer^2 E230CS: 0 wins
I originally tried this to see if I could manage to KO it but after getting to round 10 and it not coming close It just turned into a defense stamina battle and with Dragooon being left spin it was quite obvious who would win.
Conditions:
Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both.
slightly worn RDF, shot at about 100%.
Near mint RDF, shot at 100%.
RDF's switched after 10 rounds.
Alternatively shot.
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF VS Revizer^2 BD145RDF
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF: 10 Wins (9 by OS, 1 by KO)
MSF-H Revizer^2 BD145RDF: 10 Wins (All by OS)
Ties: 6 which were redone
After I switched the slightly worn RDF onto the Revizer combo it started to out spin the Dragooon combo... So looking at Kain's tests too a slightly worn RDF seems to be better for spin equalizing, also everything else he said is spot on.
VS. Stamina
Conditions:
Attack Stadium.
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both.
Mint TB, shot at about 100%.
Slightly worn RDF, banked at 100%.
Genbull launched first.
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF VS Genbull^2 SR200TB
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF: 20 wins (8 by KO, 12 by OS)
Genbull^2 SR200TB: 0 wins
Conditions:
Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both.
slightly used EWD, shot at about 100%.
Slightly worn RDF, banked at 100%.
Alternatively shot.
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF VS MSF-H Revizer Dragooon SA165(stamina mode)EWD
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF: 11 wins (4 by OS, 7 By KO)
MSF-H Revizer Dragooon SA165EWD: 9 wins (7 By OS, 2 by KO)
I expected Wyvang Dragooon to do better in this one as I though it'll get a lot more KO's which means I may need to use a new RDF but it was able to OS when it got a few good hits on the other combo.
Conditions:
Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both.
slightly used B:D, shot at about 100%.
Slightly worn RDF, banked at 100%.
Revizer Killerken launched first.
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF VS MSF Revizer Killerken B:D
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF: 19 Wins (2 by KO, 17 by OS)
MSF Revizer Killerken B:D: 1 Win (By OS)
Ties: 9 that were redone.
Conditions:
Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both.
slightly used D, shot at about 100%.
Slightly worn RDF, banked at 100%.
Duo launched first.
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF VS MF-H Duo Cygnus W145D
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF: 16 Wins (9 by KO, 7 by OS)
MF-H Duo Cygnus W145D: 4 Wins (All by OS)
RE: MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF - Luck - Feb. 22, 2013
So basically , Reviser^2 BD145RDF works well against it , yeah ?
Could you test it against Orojya^2 BD145RDF please ?
RE: MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF - [)ragon - Feb. 22, 2013
could you test wyvang reviser BD145CS vs. against the Girago^2 CH120RF that blitz used?
RE: MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF - Luck - Feb. 22, 2013
(Feb. 22, 2013 7:38 PM)joeuser767 Wrote: could you test wyvang reviser BD145CS vs. against the Girago^2 CH120RF that blitz used?
The combo we're talking about & testing is Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF ...
RE: MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF - KainHighwind - Feb. 22, 2013
(Feb. 22, 2013 7:18 PM)Luck Wrote: So basically , Reviser^2 BD145RDF works well against it , yeah ?
Could you test it against Orojya^2 BD145RDF please ?
It goes back and forth with Revizer Revizer BD145RDF. Since they both have the ridiculous LAD of RDF it just all depends on which one has the better balance at the last second of the battle.
I do not have 2 Orojyas but I am willing to bet that Wyvang Dragooon could KO that based on how close it got to KOing Revizer.
RE: MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF - [)ragon - Feb. 22, 2013
(Feb. 22, 2013 8:00 PM)Luck Wrote: (Feb. 22, 2013 7:38 PM)joeuser767 Wrote: could you test wyvang reviser BD145CS vs. against the Girago^2 CH120RF that blitz used?
The combo we're talking about & testing is Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF ...
Oh, ok, sorry. Then could someone test goriem balro D125RF against it? Thanks!
RE: MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF - Izhkoort - Feb. 23, 2013
Could you try against MSF-H Revizer Wyvang E230RB? And against Begirados Dragooon S130LRF? That last one would be interesting to see how it results
RE: MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF - KainHighwind - Feb. 23, 2013
MSF-L Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF vs. MSF-L Pegasis Dragooon S130LRF
WD always launched first.
1. WD OS
2. WD OS
3. PD KO
4. Tie; WD KO
5. PD KO
6. WD OS
7. WD OS
8. WD OS
9. WD OS
10. WD OS
11. PD KO
12. WD OS
13. WD OS
14. WD OS
15. PD KO
16. WD OS
17. PD KO
18. Tie; PD KO
19. PD OS
20. PD KO
PD: 8 (1 OS, 7 KO)
WD Win %: 60.0%
RE: MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF - Izhkoort - Feb. 24, 2013
Thanks for doing that! I still like the "smasher" one, but is impressive how Wyvang Dragooon managed it
RE: MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF - bj3rdd - Feb. 24, 2013
Can you test MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF versus MSF-H Killerken Dragooon BD145RDF?
Oh and great testing by the way.
RE: MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF - BeySurge - Feb. 24, 2013
Wow!!!! These test are amazing..... CAn u test it against Killerken² SA165R²F, I think this combo will do good
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