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RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - Ga' - Oct. 04, 2011
About the beylauncher thing, I've found that pulling slowly with a light grip on the handle at first, then pulling at full speed gives you best results. I use it when launching my Scythe Kronos all the time.
I like those results. RB has plenty of usage, as can be seen. Can you/somebody else test VariAres (preferably)/Gravity Perseus CH120RB? I have a good feeling about that combo.
Wow, B : D couldn't even stay in 10/10? Unexpected.
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - drakio - Oct. 05, 2011
Have you tried to launch it with the bank shot to see if it gets aggressive like cs does.
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - Shabalabadoo - Oct. 05, 2011
(Oct. 04, 2011 10:26 PM)ControL_ Wrote: In the same way MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MB can outspin, it's due to the weight rule I have discovered, and I'm thinking about writing an article on it.Maybe duh fidjics topic?
Quote:Deep banking is quite necessary, the metal wheel needs to be revealed as much as possible in some scenarios, instant metal to metal contact at the start of the round when Basalt has maximum RPM allows Basalt (which has more weight) to reduce spin at a greater rate when at a higher RPM.by "deep banking", you mean just an over exaggerated bank?
Quote:EDIT: might make a thread for the combo.do it. If it gets those results against VariAres, it definitely deserves it's own topic. In my opinion at least.
Edit: Arupaeo also has a VariAres test in the OP.
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - H8R - Oct. 05, 2011
that is very interesting control_ !!
so I did tests with VariAres and Blitz!
MF-H Basalt Aquario BD145RB(Deep banking) VS MF Blitz Unicorno S130RF(sliding shoot):
BU:7(3 OS's, 4 KO's)
BA:13( 4 KO's, 9 OS's)
MF-H Basalt Aquario BD145RB(Deep banking) VS MF VariAres CH120RF:
BA:15(7 KO's,8 OS's)
VA:5 (All KO's)
hmmmm?????
most of the time RB would just catch the ridge very easily..
Blitz didn't have MUCH of a hard time(although it usually couldn't pull the job off) but VariAres got KO'ed because of its recoil ..... Vari-Sad indeed XD
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - Ultra - Oct. 05, 2011
(Oct. 04, 2011 10:26 PM)ControL_ Wrote: MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145RB is an incredible balance type.
In the same way MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MB can outspin, it's due to the weight rule I have discovered, and I'm thinking about writing an article on it.
uh it outspins cause MB is probably the best bottom for solo spin time and as such has a lot of stamina.
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - ControL_ - Oct. 05, 2011
(Oct. 05, 2011 5:33 PM)Ultrablader Wrote:Definitely not...(Oct. 04, 2011 10:26 PM)ControL_ Wrote: MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145RB is an incredible balance type.
In the same way MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MB can outspin, it's due to the weight rule I have discovered, and I'm thinking about writing an article on it.
uh it outspins cause MB is probably the best bottom for solo spin time and as such has a lot of stamina.
MB does not have a lot of stamina, it's quite rubbish. It's due to the movement and weight reduces opponents RPM significantly.
(Oct. 05, 2011 1:22 PM)H8R Wrote: that is very interesting control_ !!I think your RB is worn, it isn't supposed to catch the TR at all!
so I did tests with VariAres and Blitz!
MF-H Basalt Aquario BD145RB(Deep banking) VS MF Blitz Unicorno S130RF(sliding shoot):
BU:7(3 OS's, 4 KO's)
BA:13( 4 KO's, 9 OS's)
MF-H Basalt Aquario BD145RB(Deep banking) VS MF VariAres CH120RF:
BA:15(7 KO's,8 OS's)
VA:5 (All KO's)
hmmmm?????
most of the time RB would just catch the ridge very easily..
Blitz didn't have MUCH of a hard time(although it usually couldn't pull the job off) but VariAres got KO'ed because of its recoil ..... Vari-Sad indeed XD
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - Ultra - Oct. 05, 2011
(Oct. 05, 2011 6:44 PM)ControL_ Wrote:(Oct. 05, 2011 5:33 PM)Ultrablader Wrote:Definitely not...(Oct. 04, 2011 10:26 PM)ControL_ Wrote: MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145RB is an incredible balance type.
In the same way MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MB can outspin, it's due to the weight rule I have discovered, and I'm thinking about writing an article on it.
uh it outspins cause MB is probably the best bottom for solo spin time and as such has a lot of stamina.
MB does not have a lot of stamina, it's quite rubbish. It's due to the movement and weight reduces opponents RPM significantly.
Got any proof that it has no stamina? Cause your thing could be a load of bunk or less significant if MB is a good stamina bottom(which I think it is due to low friction.
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - gibsonmac - Oct. 07, 2011
(Oct. 05, 2011 7:00 PM)Ultrablader Wrote:(Oct. 05, 2011 6:44 PM)ControL_ Wrote:(Oct. 05, 2011 5:33 PM)Ultrablader Wrote: uh it outspins cause MB is probably the best bottom for solo spin time and as such has a lot of stamina.Definitely not...
MB does not have a lot of stamina, it's quite rubbish. It's due to the movement and weight reduces opponents RPM significantly.
Got any proof that it has no stamina? Cause your thing could be a load of bunk or less significant if MB is a good stamina bottom(which I think it is due to low friction.
(FACEPALM) have you had basic physics yet??? it has increased friction to a plastic tip, which is why it excels as a def. tip.... MB is Terrible in stamina just, why??? because of the INCREASED friction caused by the large contact area, as compared to an actual stamina bottom such as WD, D, SD, et cetera....
Back ON topic of RB...
I was really disappointed with RB, It really isn't that hard to KO over MB, CS (depending on wear and mold), RSF... You'll find if you increase your tests to 20-50 battles instead of 10 (as Kei has stated many times) you'll get a much more accurate picture of real performance or better yet 100 battles... plus solo tests are never the same as PvP tests...
If you have the time, or suffer from insomnia like me lol, try a 100 battle test and see just how different your win % is than what the current paradigm says...
Overall I would say its def. near top tier, but not quite there due to the lack of stamina... near any attack combo can TS for the OS.
Although I do agree that MF-H Hell__BD145RB to be my favorite RB combo, which coincidentally also had the most stamina out of what I tested.
My Humble opinion...
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - Kai-V - Oct. 07, 2011
(Oct. 07, 2011 2:51 AM)gibsonmac Wrote: (FACEPALM) have you had basic physics yet??? it has increased friction to a plastic tip, which is why it excels as a def. tip.... MB is Terrible in stamina just, why??? because of the INCREASED friction caused by the large contact area, as compared to an actual stamina bottom such as WD, D, SD, et cetera....
If you really knew about basic physics, metal has a smaller friction factor than plastic ...
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - Jaygrazer - Oct. 07, 2011
Hence why MF is faster than F.
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - gibsonmac - Oct. 07, 2011
(Oct. 07, 2011 3:11 AM)Kai-V Wrote:(Oct. 07, 2011 2:51 AM)gibsonmac Wrote: (FACEPALM) have you had basic physics yet??? it has increased friction to a plastic tip, which is why it excels as a def. tip.... MB is Terrible in stamina just, why??? because of the INCREASED friction caused by the large contact area, as compared to an actual stamina bottom such as WD, D, SD, et cetera....
If you really knew about basic physics, metal has a smaller friction factor than plastic ...
yes... proofing may help in the future... meant plastic stamina tips WD/D etc.. which is why I later talked about contact surface area.
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - Uwik - Oct. 07, 2011
I'd like to second ControL_'s post about MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145 RB. It's a great combo. I've been doing personal tests on this for the past month, and it's worked wonders.
So far, the only downfall to this combo would be against an extremely calm CS, which is hard to come by anyway. I was thinking of trying it out for the upcoming tournament on Oct 23rd, that is until the cat is out of the bag already. *sigh* hahaha
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - Shabalabadoo - Oct. 07, 2011
(Oct. 07, 2011 3:20 AM)Galaxy Jay Wrote: Hence why MF is faster than F.
Friction has nothing to do with that.
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - Jaygrazer - Oct. 07, 2011
(Oct. 07, 2011 3:53 AM)Shabalabadoo Wrote:Well then please explain why, because in 9th Grade you dont get Physics.(Oct. 07, 2011 3:20 AM)Galaxy Jay Wrote: Hence why MF is faster than F.
Friction has nothing to do with that.
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - Shabalabadoo - Oct. 07, 2011
(Oct. 07, 2011 3:56 AM)Galaxy Jay Wrote:(Oct. 07, 2011 3:53 AM)Shabalabadoo Wrote:Well then please explain why, because in 9th Grade you dont get Physics.(Oct. 07, 2011 3:20 AM)Galaxy Jay Wrote: Hence why MF is faster than F.
Friction has nothing to do with that.
I actually made a topic about it a while ago, haha.
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - Jaygrazer - Oct. 07, 2011
(Oct. 07, 2011 3:58 AM)Shabalabadoo Wrote:(Oct. 07, 2011 3:56 AM)Galaxy Jay Wrote:(Oct. 07, 2011 3:53 AM)Shabalabadoo Wrote: Friction has nothing to do with that.Well then please explain why, because in 9th Grade you dont get Physics.
I actually made a topic about it a while ago, haha.
Got a link?
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - Dan - Oct. 07, 2011
Wouldn't movement depend on traction, not friction..?
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - Kai-V - Oct. 07, 2011
(Oct. 07, 2011 4:13 AM)Dan Wrote: Wouldn't movement depend on traction, not friction..?
There is not much actually pulling on a spinning top besides gravity downwards. All launches are usually the same too, which would be one of the only sources of traction. Even if launches vary, let us think that they do not : there is still a huge difference in performance, and that has to do with tip friction and shape, among other minor factors.
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - Dan - Oct. 07, 2011
Alrighty.
I just remember a while back there was a topic/argument over this, I could be wrong but I remember something like that.. :V
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - H8R - Oct. 07, 2011
(Oct. 05, 2011 6:44 PM)ControL_ Wrote: I think your RB is worn, it isn't supposed to catch the TR at all!
what I meant is that it had grip and stopped at the ridge as soon as it would be hit
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - Dan - Oct. 07, 2011
Left spin VariAres should be more effective than a right spin Blitz against rubber based bottoms, no..?
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - H8R - Oct. 07, 2011
(Oct. 07, 2011 5:39 PM)Dan Wrote: Left spin VariAres should be more effective than a right spin Blitz against rubber based bottoms, no..?
Gah left spin completely slipped my mind, you're right though ...I'll do tests fast.
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - ControL_ - Oct. 07, 2011
Yes it's metal, but why doesn't metal sharp have the best stamina?
It has terrible balance, the shape is completely wrong for the centre of gravity etc.
MB is relatively tall, it has a low centre of gravity, and although it's made of metal, it's a ball... That's quite a lot of surface area for it's negative.
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - H8R - Oct. 07, 2011
MF VariAres(Left spin) CH120RF VS MF-H Basalt Aquario BD145RB:
VA:10 (3 OS's, 7 KO's)
BA:10 ( 2 KO's, 8 OS's)
Not bad,its better than last time.
RE: Rubber Ball Discussion - ControL_ - Oct. 07, 2011
(Oct. 07, 2011 6:25 PM)H8R Wrote: MF VariAres(Left spin) CH120RF VS MF-H Basalt Aquario BD145RB:Did you try weak launching at under 50%, it should definitely boost the score for Basalt.
VA:10 (3 OS's, 7 KO's)
BA:10 ( 2 KO's, 8 OS's)
Not bad,its better than last time.