(May. 29, 2021  3:09 AM)Orbit Wrote: I think that currently there is an interesting dynamic between zone+z and drift, where Zone+z has one of the highest Overall Stamina/Lad, while Drift has the superior opposite spin Lad. Zone +z is the second best in Opposite spin Lad and very good same spin Stamina. Drift has ok same spin stamina but has the best opposite spin Lad. This way you have to chose between reliability in both same and opposite spin or top tier Lad with the drawback of being less reliable depending on the spin directions. If we say, took away drift, then Zone + z would dominate the meta (more than it already is). I could see a world where both are banned, since it would make things more interesting and give other drivers, like kick and never, a chance to shine.

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I’m also kind interested in the possibility of Zone +x if Zone + Z were to be banned, even without the free spin ring, it could still be good. Xtend Plus has no reason to be good yet 3 years later it’s still in the top cut of lad drivers (I know this is kind off topic, but it relates to my previous message which wasn’t)

(Aug. 02, 2021  5:00 PM)LJ-Blader Wrote: I don’t think drift needs to be banned. I have been testing combos for hours to beat Arka.Paul’s Dynamite on drift combo that has become more and more popular and can beat same spin Xtend+. But all combos can be beat by something. No combo is invincible, you just need a little testing.

(Aug. 02, 2021  7:20 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: Simple answer, no. Drift is the best spin steal driver alive sure. With tons of weight, attack potential, and defense? Sure. But is it good in same spin? No. What is the chance that you will run into a same spin combo when you have drift? 50/50 at worst. Sure dynamite f gear giga-6 or 10 makes drift have good stamina combined with good spin steal. There are still ways to beat it! Every heard of a k.o? Or a burst if you have the skill with an xtreme’ combo? That’s what makes tournaments challenging. I mean I haven’t even been to one, though I am super hyped cause I’m going to one on august 7th, I’ve been testing combos and battling too. And every year there is parts that are claimed to be “invincible”. Xtend+ lad lord we’re mvps last year, look at how lord has been replaced and Xtend+ has been semi-outclassed in opposite spin this year? Sure this years mvps are rage and drift along with wheel and tempest. And look at that! Wheel is already starting to become outclassed by giga and tapered! And rage is still a beast, but is it as powerful as it was against the newly released roar and vanish blades? Boom. There’s your answer. No.

(Jul. 01, 2021  12:06 AM)CrisisCrusher07 Wrote: Alright, let’s have a nice sit down and talk about what is being discussed in this form.

First let’s talk about the Drift Driver and opposite spin matches. There is no doubt in my mind that this driver right now is the king of opposite spin LAD matches. I have seen players go into tournaments using for the most part just 1 rotation changing combo and go 5-0. That’s a pretty good day if you ask me.

Now let’s continue with the opposite side of the coin. The Drift Driver and same spin matches. When you get into Same spin matches the drift driver falls way down the list of good drivers to use. In a same spin match up you have to launch harder than in an opposite spin match up because if you launch weaker than your opponent, you’ll probably run out of stamina first. However, with the Drift Driver, when you do this launch method you gain a really high risk of self KOing your Beyblade. I have seen people go 2-3 at a tournament because of this, and it cost them a spot in the top cut.

Now I would like to add in my own testing with the new Dynamite Battle system that recently came out. I have found that when using the Dynamite Battle Beys in low mode and on Drift you can launch a lot harder than you normally would and they will stay in the center of the stadium and lose that risk of self KOing themselves. (Unless they get hit to the tornado ridge by another bey and they get caught on it.) But for the most part the new beys solve the same spin issue Drift has had. However, through testing I have found that even though you can now launch drift harder and have less of a risk to self KO your bey, the Drift Driver still has less stamina than most other drivers such as Xtend+, Zone’+Z, Universe, and probably more.

Now lastly let’s talk about the REAL issue with the Drift Driver, The Single Bey format. Yes the standard format that we in the WBO use for Swiss matches is the real issue at hand. Yes someone can go into a tournament with 1 rotation changing drift combo and go 5-0 or 0-5. However this will all boil down to the luck factor of what did they play against? Same spin or opposite spin? And that to me is not a very fun format for the game. I would much rather see players be rewarded with wins because of their skill at the game rather than did they get a lucky match up? Another big issue with this is when you get 2 bladers that are both using opposite spin drift combos. Then because of drift you can have consistent draws for up to 15 minutes until a winner is declared. (We had 2 matches happen this way at our last tournament.) This can have a huge issue with the time of the tournament and how long it takes to complete.

Should Drift be banned even with the Dynamite Battle system beys “solving” its flaw? No. I don’t think so. I think a new format for the Swiss rounds of tournaments should be introduced. Maybe a 2 deck 3 point format or a Choose 3 Pick 1 format? I dunno what the proper answer would be, I just know that at least then the more skilled players should win and that would feel more rewarding to those skilled players. I also know that you could then potentially add in a rule where if both players choose an opposite spin drift match up, after say 3 draws you force them to switch to one of their other beys that they had chosen or is in their deck.

Anyway, that is my view and opinion on the Drift Driver and weather or not I think it should be banned.

(Aug. 02, 2021  7:20 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: Simple answer, no. Drift is the best spin steal driver alive sure. With tons of weight, attack potential, and defense? Sure. But is it good in same spin? No. What is the chance that you will run into a same spin combo when you have drift? 50/50 at worst. Sure dynamite f gear giga-6 or 10 makes drift have good stamina combined with good spin steal. There are still ways to beat it! Every heard of a k.o? Or a burst if you have the skill with an xtreme’ combo? That’s what makes tournaments challenging. I mean I haven’t even been to one, though I am super hyped cause I’m going to one on august 7th, I’ve been testing combos and battling too. And every year there is parts that are claimed to be “invincible”. Xtend+ lad lord we’re mvps last year, look at how lord has been replaced and Xtend+ has been semi-outclassed in opposite spin this year? Sure this years mvps are rage and drift along with wheel and tempest. And look at that! Wheel is already starting to become outclassed by giga and tapered! And rage is still a beast, but is it as powerful as it was against the newly released roar and vanish blades? Boom. There’s your answer. No.

(Aug. 02, 2021  9:28 PM)Orbit Wrote: I think that Drift and Zone+Z should both be banned, they are both OP. If drift is banned then Zone will be the only thing used in the meta. If both are banned, the meta will be overtaken by 3 or 4 drivers that are relatively equal in LAD, Bearing, Xtend+, Never, and Possibly Venture+V (more testing needed). That sounds like a fun meta to be in.

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When it comes to LAD the meta has become stale, there is no variety, and if you can achieve variety by banning Drift and Zone+Z, I say it should happen

(Aug. 02, 2021  9:48 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote:

(Aug. 02, 2021  9:28 PM)Orbit Wrote: I think that Drift and Zone+Z should both be banned, they are both OP. If drift is banned then Zone will be the only thing used in the meta. If both are banned, the meta will be overtaken by 3 or 4 drivers that are relatively equal in LAD, Bearing, Xtend+, Never, and Possibly Venture+V (more testing needed). That sounds like a fun meta to be in.

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When it comes to LAD the meta has become stale, there is no variety, and if you can achieve variety by banning Drift and Zone+Z, I say it should happen

I mean that's like saying Dynamite Belial and Rage Longinus should be banned becuase they're both OP I think just because a driver has life after death it shouldn't be banned becuase get enough good hits in and Zone+Z and Drifit will go down to the ground, I think parts should only be banned if there is a very rare chance of beating them, and I'd say both Drift and Zone+Z are fairly beatable just put together a hard-hitting combo, for example, something like Rage Helios2 3A Extreme' then you'll have a high chance of beating them, overall I think Zone+Z and Drift shouldn't be banned.

(Aug. 02, 2021  8:27 PM)BladerGem Wrote:

(Aug. 02, 2021  7:20 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: Simple answer, no. Drift is the best spin steal driver alive sure. With tons of weight, attack potential, and defense? Sure. But is it good in same spin? No. What is the chance that you will run into a same spin combo when you have drift? 50/50 at worst. Sure dynamite f gear giga-6 or 10 makes drift have good stamina combined with good spin steal. There are still ways to beat it! Every heard of a k.o? Or a burst if you have the skill with an xtreme’ combo? That’s what makes tournaments challenging. I mean I haven’t even been to one, though I am super hyped cause I’m going to one on august 7th, I’ve been testing combos and battling too. And every year there is parts that are claimed to be “invincible”. Xtend+ lad lord we’re mvps last year, look at how lord has been replaced and Xtend+ has been semi-outclassed in opposite spin this year? Sure this years mvps are rage and drift along with wheel and tempest. And look at that! Wheel is already starting to become outclassed by giga and tapered! And rage is still a beast, but is it as powerful as it was against the newly released roar and vanish blades? Boom. There’s your answer. No.

So, what you're saying is... just wait until TT releases something that outshines Drift?

(Aug. 02, 2021  9:27 PM)StayCool Wrote:

(Aug. 02, 2021  7:20 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: Simple answer, no. Drift is the best spin steal driver alive sure. With tons of weight, attack potential, and defense? Sure. But is it good in same spin? No. What is the chance that you will run into a same spin combo when you have drift? 50/50 at worst. Sure dynamite f gear giga-6 or 10 makes drift have good stamina combined with good spin steal. There are still ways to beat it! Every heard of a k.o? Or a burst if you have the skill with an xtreme’ combo? That’s what makes tournaments challenging. I mean I haven’t even been to one, though I am super hyped cause I’m going to one on august 7th, I’ve been testing combos and battling too. And every year there is parts that are claimed to be “invincible”. Xtend+ lad lord we’re mvps last year, look at how lord has been replaced and Xtend+ has been semi-outclassed in opposite spin this year? Sure this years mvps are rage and drift along with wheel and tempest. And look at that! Wheel is already starting to become outclassed by giga and tapered! And rage is still a beast, but is it as powerful as it was against the newly released roar and vanish blades? Boom. There’s your answer. No.

You have some legit points, but with same spin I have seen a player beat another top players full deck with a single drift combo. Arka has done a lot of amazing things with drift that I now feel like drift should not be banned because of its potential in same spin. I say this because the same spin aspect is 100% skill in my opinion unlike the cookie cutter opposite spin combos. The dedication and skill for same spin makes the drift combos legit for competitive use.

(Aug. 03, 2021  3:46 PM)CrisisCrusher07 Wrote: So I was thinking recently and lets say the WBO decides that the single bey format is best and contimues to stick with it. This can make drift a really annoying driver to deal with. Especially as a judge if you get stuck watching 2 drifts go at it in opposite spin match ups. This also make the tournament take longer as those matches could last up to 15 minutes or more! But what if you semi banned drift? What if you only had it banned for single bey formats? This is a worst case scinaro idea I had. Drift is not a big problem when it comes to WBO deck format. But it's only been a nucense in the single bey format.

Anyway this was just a side thought I had and wanted to see what people thought of it.

(Aug. 03, 2021  4:12 PM)Shindog Wrote: I think the issue with that is that other drivers will just do the same.  Recently, taper.Br has gotten a lot of attention, not long ago, Xt+….. so on a so forth.  Long, drawn out, opposite spin matches are nothing new to me personally.  I have had 40 min+ matches to judge.  I don’t realistically think we can ban enough.  Also, banning these individual drivers will make the rulebook look pretty bad in my opinion.  Burst seems to be the generation of the LAD.  I think at this point, it is what it is.  I still think the way to get around the problem is to fix the format.  I think the best way to deal with this is still a deck format, WBO deck or WBBA 3v3.

(Aug. 21, 2021  2:05 PM)toastdkiwi Wrote: With the current DB format, I think drift is becoming less and less viable. These new beys are heavy hitters and attacks on even spin stealers can throw drift into its wild, uncontrollable spins. Really I don’t think it’s a matter of getting rid of something we “can’t beat” but instead testing ways TO beat it.