(Dec. 10, 2020  1:54 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  1:52 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: SO you are saying an overpowered protag introduced being champion for 1 year and this no one comes out of nowhere and destroys him in GT? Later he is stepped down from #1 to #3 and loses to one of the lamest antagonists? How is that not a nerf? If that is not a nerf I don't know WHAT IS.

A nerf is when someone power level is reduced. Aiger's power level isn't being reduced. Someone just has a higher power level than him.

(Dec. 10, 2020  1:56 AM)TheGolden Blade Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  1:54 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: A nerf is when someone power level is reduced. Aiger's power level IS being reduced. Someone just has a higher power level than him.

Fixed it for you

(Dec. 10, 2020  1:57 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  1:56 AM)TheGolden Blade Wrote: Fixed it for you

His power level isn't being reduced. He's still as powerful as he was when he was first introduced. however someone is now just stronger than him. I don't get whats so hard to understand. Someone is stronger than Aiger. There's a bias or something in here.

(Dec. 10, 2020  1:56 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  1:54 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: A nerf is when someone power level is reduced. Aiger's power level isn't being reduced. Someone just has a higher power level than him.

It can also translate in lowering someone's power level yk...

(Dec. 10, 2020  1:58 AM)TheGolden Blade Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  1:57 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: His power level isn't being reduced. He's still as powerful as he was when he was first introduced. however someone is now just stronger than him. I don't get whats so hard to understand. Someone is stronger than Aiger. There's a bias or something in here.

Lane's power: Actual strenght: 1%
Plot armor:99%

(Dec. 10, 2020  1:58 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  1:56 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: It can also translate in lowering someone's power level yk...

The power level isn't being lowered so Lain is stronger. Lain just exceeded Aiger's power level.

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(Dec. 10, 2020  1:58 AM)TheGolden Blade Wrote: Lane's power: Actual strenght: 1%
Plot armor:99%

So you're just gonna disregard the strength of his bey or his actual skill and power? Nice logical agreement.

(Dec. 10, 2020  1:58 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  1:56 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: It can also translate in lowering someone's power level yk...

The power level isn't being lowered so Lain is stronger. Lain just exceeded Aiger's power level.

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(Dec. 10, 2020  1:58 AM)TheGolden Blade Wrote: Lane's power: Actual strenght: 1%
Plot armor:99%

So you're just gonna disregard the strength of his bey or his actual skill and power? Nice logical agreement.

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:02 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  1:58 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: The power level isn't being lowered so Lain is stronger. Lain just exceeded Aiger's power level.

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So you're just gonna disregard the strength of his bey or his actual skill and power? Nice logical agreement.

Lame Vanilla is a full plot armor character. Your the one not realizing the logic in his statement. He comes out of nowhere and destroys Lui, Free, and literally every other legend there is. All this man does is scream the heck outta his lungs "LUCIFER..... VARIANT WALL" Which only just gives it more defensive power how tf does a bey burst against that defensive move? All the bursts lane has done makes no sense. That is not logic, that is pure plot armor. Dude.

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:04 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:02 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: Lame Vanilla is a full plot armor character. Your the one not realizing the logic in his statement. He comes out of nowhere and destroys Lui, Free, and literally every other legend there is. All this man does is scream the heck outta his lungs "LUCIFER..... VARIANT WALL" Which only just gives it more defensive power how tf does a bey burst against that defensive move? All the bursts lane has done makes no sense. That is not logic, that is pure plot armor. Dude.

He beat Free using First Uranus' multi blade strike. Also its been proven beys can beat Variant Wall. It's happened before. I don't know why your brain can't comprehend that maybe Lain is stronger than Aiger?

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:05 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:04 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: He beat Free using First Uranus' multi blade strike. Also its been proven beys can beat Variant Wall. It's happened before. I don't know why your brain can't comprehend that maybe Lain is stronger than Aiger?

HE iS only cuz a thing called "PLOT ARMOR" Idk how your brain can't understand that Lame Vanilla is an antagonist only got plot armor with his cringey bey that does nothing.

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:09 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:05 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: HE iS only cuz a thing called "PLOT ARMOR" Idk how your brain can't understand that Lame Vanilla is an antagonist only got plot armor with his cringey bey that does nothing.

He's not just completely plot Armor. Did random plot armor give him the strategy to slam Luinor into the wall? Did random plot armor give him the skill to make a bey to directly counter each of Spryzen's strengths? Did random plot armor let him burst Achilles with NO INFINITE ATTACHMENTS?

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:13 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:09 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: He's not just completely plot Armor. Did random plot armor give him the strategy to slam Luinor into the wall? Did random plot armor give him the skill to make a bey to directly counter each of Spryzen's strengths? Did random plot armor let him burst Achilles with NO INFINITE ATTACHMENTS?

The fact your are just trying to justify Lane is just pure sad man. I mean we have our personal preference granted but that opinion liking lane after what he has done? Even people like Phi who were one of the best villians got more hate than this furry oh let me guess is it because of that lame hedgehog? Pathetic.

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:05 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:04 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: He beat Free using First Uranus' multi blade strike. Also its been proven beys can beat Variant Wall. It's happened before. I don't know why your brain can't comprehend that maybe Lain is stronger than Aiger?

HE iS only cuz a thing called "PLOT ARMOR" Idk how your brain can't understand that Lame Vanilla is an antagonist only got plot armor with his cringey bey that does nothing.

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:19 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Instead of whining and insulting, why not actually make an argument with logical points?

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Lain beat Free by using the multi strike of Fafnir. Free didn't even take him seriously.

Lain beat Lui by falling into his trap on purpose so he can counter attack.

Lain beat Ranjiro by smashing Roktavor into the wall when it has no way of getting out of it. Its a stamina type.

Lain did use plot armor to win the battle royale

Lain lost to Aiger by being hit when it was off balance. Didn't even win here.

Lain simply just overpowered triple twister so beat Silas.

Lain bursted Achilles, which was easy because it had no attachments. This wasn't the writers making Aiger dumb though. Aiger was just going for speed which did wear down the barrier but before Achilles could get in any solid hits the barrier came back.

Lain simply overwhelmed Helios and Hyperion by slamming them against the wall at a weird angle where they can't retaliate.

Lain did use plot armor to beat Valt, however it was needed or else they wouldn't be able to progress to Shu vs Lain which is an important battle.

Lain literally lost to Shu so no plot armor could be in play.

Lain created a bey that can slam down from above, which negates Spryzen's World Slash ability since it has to be directly attacked to do that. Also no barrier means the vertical attack can't be used to beat Lucius. Just planning and making a bey perfectly suited to take down Shu.

Lain and Valt beat Hyuga and Hikaru cause of course he did. he was with Valt going against Hyuga and Hikaru. It wasn't even him anyways, just some computer.

Not even counting Beyblade Virtual cause that wasn't him, only 18% of his battles can be explained as just plot armor. Ah yes. Such an evil menacing plot armor filled blader. What a nuisance.

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:38 AM)Achilles25 Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:19 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Instead of whining and insulting, why not actually make an argument with logical points?

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Lain beat Free by using the multi strike of Fafnir. Free didn't even take him seriously.

Lain beat Lui by falling into his trap on purpose so he can counter attack.

Lain beat Ranjiro by smashing Roktavor into the wall when it has no way of getting out of it. Its a stamina type.

Lain did use plot armor to win the battle royale

Lain lost to Aiger by being hit when it was off balance. Didn't even win here.

Lain simply just overpowered triple twister so beat Silas.

Lain bursted Achilles, which was easy because it had no attachments. This wasn't the writers making Aiger dumb though. Aiger was just going for speed which did wear down the barrier but before Achilles could get in any solid hits the barrier came back.

Lain simply overwhelmed Helios and Hyperion by slamming them against the wall at a weird angle where they can't retaliate.

Lain did use plot armor to beat Valt, however it was needed or else they wouldn't be able to progress to Shu vs Lain which is an important battle.

Lain literally lost to Shu so no plot armor could be in play.

Lain created a bey that can slam down from above, which negates Spryzen's World Slash ability since it has to be directly attacked to do that. Also no barrier means the vertical attack can't be used to beat Lucius. Just planning and making a bey perfectly suited to take down Shu.

Lain and Valt beat Hyuga and Hikaru cause of course he did. he was with Valt going against Hyuga and Hikaru. It wasn't even him anyways, just some computer.

Not even counting Beyblade Virtual cause that wasn't him, only 18% of his battles can be explained as just plot armor. Ah yes. Such an evil menacing plot armor filled blader. What a nuisance.

this is the dumbest thing i've ever seen. i'll admit lean is a bit overpowered. but he's still the best burst antagonist

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:40 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:38 AM)Achilles25 Wrote: this is the dumbest thing i've ever seen. i'll admit lean is a bit overpowered. but he's still the best burst antagonist

I wouldnt say he's the best, but after seeing his backstory in the manga he's pretty good.

(Dec. 10, 2020  4:16 AM)Achilles25 Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:40 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: I wouldnt say he's the best, but after seeing his backstory in the manga he's pretty good.

wait what was his backstory

(Dec. 10, 2020  4:20 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

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During training with Shu Lain was a newbie and Shu was being kinda overly harsh on Lain. Lain took the stuff to heart and thought he deserved it cause he was a weak wimp and wanted to get stronger. After that he basically did intense training, developed flare which we know makes bladers stronger the more they win, and became hostile. Anyways Shu tries to stop Lain and later notices its actually all his fault.

(Dec. 10, 2020  4:50 AM)LOL-y Rancher Wrote:

(Dec. 10, 2020  4:20 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

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During training with Shu Lain was a newbie and Shu was being kinda overly harsh on Lain. Lain took the stuff to heart and thought he deserved it cause he was a weak wimp and wanted to get stronger. After that he basically did intense training, developed flare which we know makes bladers stronger the more they win, and became hostile. Anyways Shu tries to stop Lain and later notices its actually all his fault.

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So wait, Shu actually referred to Lean as a weak wimp? Okay, what the hell Shu? That just seems so out of character for him here, and therefore seems like the manga is trying to justify why Shu gets to have far more screen time than the other Legendary Bladers (besides general popularity).

Now granted, I know it's part of Shu's character to be critical, brutally honest and a bit aloof but it just seems odd (especially since this is post Red Eye Shu, where Shu became friendlier) that he would start insulting his students and act like a stereotypical tiger parent. It makes me wonder if he treats all of his trainee candidates like that haha.

Anyways, back on topic. The battles here look pretty good so far, and the pairings feel like they're a bit more equal to each other than previous tournaments with individual bladers.

(Dec. 10, 2020  2:19 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Instead of whining and insulting, why not actually make an argument with logical points?

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Lain beat Free by using the multi strike of Fafnir. Free didn't even take him seriously.

Lain beat Lui by falling into his trap on purpose so he can counter attack.

Lain beat Ranjiro by smashing Roktavor into the wall when it has no way of getting out of it. Its a stamina type.

Lain did use plot armor to win the battle royale

Lain lost to Aiger by being hit when it was off balance. Didn't even win here.

Lain simply just overpowered triple twister so beat Silas.

Lain bursted Achilles, which was easy because it had no attachments. This wasn't the writers making Aiger dumb though. Aiger was just going for speed which did wear down the barrier but before Achilles could get in any solid hits the barrier came back.

Lain simply overwhelmed Helios and Hyperion by slamming them against the wall at a weird angle where they can't retaliate.

Lain did use plot armor to beat Valt, however it was needed or else they wouldn't be able to progress to Shu vs Lain which is an important battle.

Lain literally lost to Shu so no plot armor could be in play.

Lain created a bey that can slam down from above, which negates Spryzen's World Slash ability since it has to be directly attacked to do that. Also no barrier means the vertical attack can't be used to beat Lucius. Just planning and making a bey perfectly suited to take down Shu.

Lain and Valt beat Hyuga and Hikaru cause of course he did. he was with Valt going against Hyuga and Hikaru. It wasn't even him anyways, just some computer.

Not even counting Beyblade Virtual cause that wasn't him, only 18% of his battles can be explained as just plot armor. Ah yes. Such an evil menacing plot armor filled blader. What a nuisance.

(Dec. 10, 2020  1:43 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote:

(Dec. 08, 2020  12:31 PM)g2_ Wrote: Lui definitely doesn't deserve to beat Valt again.

"definetely" there is still that probability he will lose. He is paired with that sore loser Rantaro. Literally the lowest of the low when it comes to blading from all the legends. Drum and Lui combined are definetely better than Valt alone.

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(Dec. 10, 2020  1:42 AM)EarthHelios Wrote: Dont forget Aiga has lost to 2 antagonist as well

THANK YOU! At least you are one of them that are not fully Valt fanbois and talks without bias!