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RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - kjrules17 - Aug. 22, 2018
Garuda G3 7Meteor Atomic (First Moderate) vs. Fafnir F3 0Glaive Destroy (Second Sliding Shoot): Rebel Blader
Spoiler (Click to View)
- F3.0G.Ds: 3 OS, 2 KO (25% Win Rate)
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - kjrules17 - Aug. 24, 2018
Garuda G3 7Meteor Bearing (Odd) vs. Jormuntor J2 0Glaive Atomic (Even): Rebel Blader
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- J2.0G.At: 1 KO (5% Win Rate)
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - kjrules17 - Sep. 22, 2018
Here's some more tests I did with @[LazerBeamz].
Garuda G3 7Cross Atomic (Weak/Moderate) vs. (Defense Mode) Hell Salamander 7Glaive Atomic (KJ & LazerBeamz)
Spoiler (Click to View)
- hS.7G.At: 3 OS (30% Win Rate)
Garuda G3 7Cross Bearing vs. (Defense Mode) Hell Salamander 7Glaive Atomic (KJ & LazerBeamz)
Spoiler (Click to View)
- hS.7G.At: 0 Wins (0% Win Rate)
* Even if hS is Sliding Shot, it’ll still lose. And if the disc moved on G3’s slopes, it was barely anything.
Garuda G3 7Cross Bearing vs. Archer Hercules 10Cross Eternal (KJ & LazerBeamz)
Spoiler (Click to View)
- aH.10C.Et: 3 OS (30% Win Rate)
Garuda G3 7Cross Atomic vs. Archer Hercules 10Cross Eternal (KJ & LazerBeamz)
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- aH.10C.Et: 2 Burst (20% Win Rate)
* You want to tornado stall G3 in this matchup to reduce the chance of Bursting.
Garuda G3 7Cross Bearing vs. Revive Phoenix 0Bump Yard (KJ & LazerBeamz)
Spoiler (Click to View)
- rP.0B.Yr: 1 OS (10% Win Rate)
* I think rP's Armor only came off like once.
We would've tested more stuff but Lazer had some other plans, but it's all good. The next time he and I meet, we'll do some more tests, probably focusing on Spryzen Requiem S3 against Hell Salamander, Archer Hercules, Revive Phoenix, but some other stuff too.
Also, forgot to add this before, but Lazer and I weren't able to test G3 At and G3 Br against Super Z Attack Combos. If we can Burst G3 At and G3 Br using Super Z Attack, maybe it should be unbanned. If not, it's definitely understandable, but at the same time, it can beat all three Super Z Layers that run the metagame rn (hS, aH, and rP), but those three can beat it as well (all depends on the matchup), so who knows? It could change up the meta, but we'll have to see. If Super Z Attack can't Burst it, we have to find something else that can. If not, then yeah, that's an OMEGA OOF and it should probably stay banned until more stuff comes out.
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - Rebel Blader - Sep. 23, 2018
(Sep. 22, 2018 10:00 PM)kjrules17 Wrote: Here's some more tests I did with @[LazerBeamz].Could u guys do aH vs g3 test one more time but with aH 7/10 Et? I mean i just wanna see if not having a frame causes disc to layer contact to g3 to burst it
Garuda G3 7Cross Bearing vs. Archer Hercules 10Cross Eternal (KJ & LazerBeamz)
- G3.7C.Br: 7 OS (70% Win Rate)Spoiler (Click to View)
- aH.10C.Et: 3 OS (30% Win Rate)
Garuda G3 7Cross Atomic vs. Archer Hercules 10Cross Eternal (KJ & LazerBeamz)
- G3.7C.At: 7 OS, 1 KO (80% Win Rate)Spoiler (Click to View)
- aH.10C.Et: 2 Burst (20% Win Rate)
* You want to tornado stall G3 in this matchup to reduce the chance of Bursting.
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - kjrules17 - Sep. 30, 2018
Here are some more tests that @[LazerBeamz] and I did. Just like with the aH Testing Thread, timestamps to these tests will be posted soon.
Garuda G3 7Cross Bearing vs. Revive Phoenix 10Glaive Destroy (KJ & LazerBeamz)
Spoiler (Click to View)
- rP.10G.Ds: 3 OS, 1 KO (40% Win Rate)
Garuda G3 7Cross Bearing vs. Archer Hercules 10 Eternal (KJ & LazerBeamz)
Spoiler (Click to View)
- aH.10.Et: 9 OS, 1 Burst (100% Win Rate)
Garuda G3 7Cross Atomic vs. Archer Hercules 10 Eternal (KJ & LazerBeamz)
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- aH.10.Et: 4 OS, 1 Burst (50% Win Rate)
Garuda G3 7Cross Bearing vs. Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Yard (KJ & LazerBeamz)
Spoiler (Click to View)
- wV.7M.Yr: 0 Wins (0% Win Rate)
Garuda G3 7Cross Atomic vs. Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Yard (KJ & LazerBeamz)
Spoiler (Click to View)
- wV.7M.Yr: 2 Burst (20% Win Rate)
Here are some other matches we did, but didn’t complete due to there being too many ties or us just feeling like the match results wouldn’t change, so we moved onto something else.
Garuda G3 7Cross Bearing vs. (Defense Mode) Hell Salamander 0Bump Bearing (KJ & LazerBeamz)
Spoiler (Click to View)
Garuda G3 7Cross Bearing vs. Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Xtreme’ (Sliding Shoot) (KJ & LazerBeamz)
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Garuda G3 7Cross Atomic vs. Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Eternal (KJ & LazerBeamz)
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RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - Jman jman - Sep. 30, 2018
Here a test you can do g3 0 reboot vs x3 1s jaggy g3 sliding shoot second. First x3 sliding shoot . Thanks if you can.
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - kjrules17 - Sep. 30, 2018
(Sep. 30, 2018 1:00 AM)kjrules17 Wrote: Here are some more tests that @[LazerBeamz] and I did. Just like with the aH Testing Thread, timestamps to these tests will be posted soon.Timestamps have been added!
Garuda G3 7Cross Bearing vs. Revive Phoenix 10Glaive Destroy (KJ & LazerBeamz) - Timestamp
- G3.7C.Br: 6 OS (60% Win Rate)Spoiler (Click to View)
- rP.10G.Ds: 3 OS, 1 KO (40% Win Rate)
Garuda G3 7Cross Bearing vs. Archer Hercules 10 Eternal (KJ & LazerBeamz) - Timestamp
- G3.7C.Br: 0 Wins (0% Win Rate)Spoiler (Click to View)
- aH.10.Et: 9 OS, 1 Burst (100% Win Rate)
Garuda G3 7Cross Atomic vs. Archer Hercules 10 Eternal (KJ & LazerBeamz) - Timestamp
- G3.7C.At: 5 OS (50% Win Rate)Spoiler (Click to View)
- aH.10.Et: 4 OS, 1 Burst (50% Win Rate)
Garuda G3 7Cross Bearing vs. Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Yard (KJ & LazerBeamz) - Timestamp
- G3.7C.Br: 10 OS (100% Win Rate)Spoiler (Click to View)
- wV.7M.Yr: 0 Wins (0% Win Rate)
Garuda G3 7Cross Atomic vs. Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Yard (KJ & LazerBeamz) - Timestamp
- G3.7C.At: 8 OS (80% Win Rate)Spoiler (Click to View)
- wV.7M.Yr: 2 Burst (20% Win Rate)
Here are some other matches we did, but didn’t complete due to there being too many ties or us just feeling like the match results wouldn’t change, so we moved onto something else.
Garuda G3 7Cross Bearing vs. (Defense Mode) Hell Salamander 0Bump Bearing (KJ & LazerBeamz) - Timestamp
*Lots of ties.Spoiler (Click to View)
Garuda G3 7Cross Bearing vs. Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Xtreme’ (Sliding Shoot) (KJ & LazerBeamz) - Timestamp
* G3 always took the ridge, making it hard for wV to attack, so we moved onto another test.Spoiler (Click to View)
Garuda G3 7Cross Atomic vs. Winning Valkyrie 7Meteor Eternal (KJ & LazerBeamz) - Timestamp
* G3 was clearly winning, so we moved onto something else.Spoiler (Click to View)
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - kjrules17 - Oct. 05, 2018
@[ThePheonix]
Sorry for the long wait.
Garuda G3 7Cross Atomic (Odd) vs. Luinor L3 Cross Bearing (Even): ThePheonix
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- L3.C.Br: 8 Burst, 3 KO (55% Win Rate)
L3 got Bursts on G3 bc both Beys were near the ridge at the same time, so if it wasn't able to KO G3, it got enough hits on it to Burst it when both Beys were hitting each other in the center. Although, I did a few matches with G3 on Orbit as well, and it didn't Burst, so it might be bc of Atomic.
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - kjrules17 - Oct. 23, 2018
Some more tests @[LazerBeamz] and I did with the timestamps included!
(Defense Mode) Hell Salamander 0Bump Bearing (Weak) vs. Garuda G3 7Cross Atomic (Weak): KJ & LazerBeamz - Timestamp
Spoiler (Click to View)
- G3.7C.At: 0 Wins (0% Win Rate)
(Defense Mode) Hell Salamander 0Bump Bearing (Weak) vs. Garuda G3 7Cross Orbit (Weak): KJ & LazerBeamz - Timestamp
Spoiler (Click to View)
- G3.7C.O: 0 Wins (0% Win Rate)
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - kjrules17 - Nov. 25, 2018
Here are some more tests Lazer and I did today.
(Right Spin) Spriggan Requiem 0Bump Bearing (Weak) vs. Garuda G3 7Cross Atomic (Weak): KJ & LazerBeamz (Wombat)
Spoiler (Click to View)
- G3.7C.At: 10 OS (100% Win Rate)
(Right Spin) Spriggan Requiem 0Bump Bearing (Weak) vs. Garuda G3 7Cross Bearing (Weak): KJ & LazerBeamz (Wombat)
Spoiler (Click to View)
- G3.7C.Br: 8 OS (80% Win Rate)
(Left Spin) Spriggan Requiem 0Bump Bearing (Weak) vs. Garuda G3 7Cross Atomic (Weak): KJ & LazerBeamz (Wombat)
Spoiler (Click to View)
- G3.7C.At: 2 OS (20% Win Rate)
(Left Spin) Spriggan Requiem 0Bump Bearing (Weak) vs. Garuda G3 7Cross Bearing (Weak): KJ & LazerBeamz (Wombat)
Spoiler (Click to View)
- G3.7C.Br: 10 OS (100% Win Rate)
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - Ice909 - Nov. 30, 2018
Is there a good combo (without using cross) that uses jaggy? I would also like to see a combo like that one but also with 7. Thanks! Use any bey you want against it.
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - kjrules17 - Nov. 30, 2018
(Nov. 30, 2018 11:03 PM)IceCreeper909 Wrote: Is there a good combo (without using cross) that uses jaggy? I would also like to see a combo like that one but also with 7. Thanks! Use any bey you want against it.Good combos using Jaggy? Eh, no, not really. If you want a Hasbro Atk Combo, use Xtreme or Hunter as your Driver.
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - Ice909 - Dec. 01, 2018
Got it! I'll look into it!
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - Dt20000 - Dec. 01, 2018
(Nov. 30, 2018 11:03 PM)IceCreeper909 Wrote: Is there a good combo (without using cross) that uses jaggy? I would also like to see a combo like that one but also with 7. Thanks! Use any bey you want against it.
Yeah, Jaggy wouldn’t work well, but if you have your heart set on it, put it on heavier parts like 0 or 7 and Xcalius X3 or Legend Spryzen S3.
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - HyperBey123 - Dec. 01, 2018
Garuda G3 7 Atomic vs Dead Hades 7 Bump Xtreme’
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - #Fafnir - Dec. 01, 2018
I can do some tests but I don't have many takara tomy parts
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - kjrules17 - Dec. 03, 2018
Garuda G3 7Cross Atomic (First) vs. Khalzar K3 0Bump Hunter (Second Sliding Shoot): LazerBeamz
Spoiler (Click to View)
- K3.0B.Hn: 2 KO, 1 Burst (15% Win Rate)
While Khalzar K3 was only able to Burst Garuda G3 once, there were numerous occasions where K3 got G3 close to Bursting, but lacked the energy needed to finish it off.
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - #Fafnir - Dec. 03, 2018
My Z Achilles(Takara Tomy) burst G3 stock 3 times in a row!
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - sakura - Dec. 06, 2018
did some tests with G3 vs hS today, requested by Thug Testing and KJOofer.
10 battles for each test.
G3.0B.Br vs hS.0G.At
G3.0B.Br- 9 OS (90% win rate)
HS.0G.At-1 OS (10% win rate)
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G3.0C.Br vs hS.0G.At
G3.0C.Br- 10 OS (100% win rate)
hS.0G.At- 0 wins (0% win rate)
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G3.0C.Br vs hS.7G.At
G3.0C.Br- 8 OS (80% win rate)
hS.7G.At- 2 OS (20% win rate)
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G3.0B.At vs hS.0G.At
G3.0B.At-1 OS (10% win rate)
hS.0G.At-9 OS (90% win rate)
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - ~Fyre~ - Dec. 17, 2018
The secret against Garuda is: Dont use frames, for example, Genesis Valtryek 7 .S
7 Is the heaviest Forge disc that I actually have, and S has enough stamina to spin when Garuda begins to loose stamina, when Garuda begins to swing, it will hit against de Forge disc due to the Thinnes of Garuda's layer, it will make that Garuda hits the floor of the stadium and finally loose, please make this test
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - Armor - Dec. 17, 2018
Can we try Fafnir F3 7Bump Bearing? Just put a good G3 combo together, I don't really have a preference.
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - Wombat - Jan. 01, 2019
Following up from my most recent post in the Spryzen Requiem thread, I also tested Garuda G3 to see if it could be unbanned:
Winning Valkyrie Zenith Xtreme' vs Garuda G3 7Cross Atomic
wV.Z.X': 10 wins (8 KO, 2 Burst)
G3.7C.At: 10 wins (all OS)
G3.7C.At win rate: 50%
Compare to that same combo's performance against aH.7C.Xt+ here:
(Dec. 27, 2018 11:41 PM)Wombat Wrote: Winning Valkyrie Zenith Xtreme' vs Archer Hercules 7Cross Xtend+
wV.Z.X': 11 wins (8 KO, 3 Burst)
aH.7C.X+: 9 wins (all OS)
wV average clicks: 0.4
aH average clicks: 1.8
wV.Z.X'win rate: 55%
Honestly, I think that most of G3's wins were due to Atomic. G3 is just comparatively so light that if wV was able to get a clean hit on it it would pretty much always kick it out, and it was also able to get a few late game bursts. Worth noting that my G3 and Hasbro Atomic aren't especially tight, but they're still tighter than my mG + Orbit. Looking at KJ & Lazer's testing G3 Atomic isn't even that consistent againt aH Eternal or Xtend+, so I think it would be safe to unban for now...
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - Oylspil - Jan. 01, 2019
Winning Valkyrie 00 wedge?
Could be good?
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - g2_ - Jan. 01, 2019
(Jan. 01, 2019 4:45 AM)Oylspil Wrote: Winning Valkyrie 00 wedge?
Could be good?
The combo is horrible.
RE: Garuda G3 Testing and Discussion - Kei - Jan. 13, 2019
Posted in the "Ban Hasbro Bearing?" thread, but also relevant for this thread:
(Jan. 13, 2019 2:47 AM)Kei Wrote: Tests thus far have been largely focused on left-spin Hasbro Br combos, but we are also considering an unban on Garuda G3, so it seemed pertinent to do some testing on it as well in tandem with Br:
Test Conditions
- G3 always launched first vs Attack
- Alternating launches for G3 and hS matchup
- BeyLauncher LR + Launcher Grip for X' Attack types unless otherwise noted
- BeyLauncher/BeyLauncher L for G3, mG, hS
- Hard launch for G3/mG against Attack
- Medium/Weak launches for G3 and hS in their matchup
Benchmark
Cho-Z Valkyrie 7 αngle Xtreme Dash vs. Maximum Garuda 0 Star Bearing
超V.7α.X': 5 Wins (5 BF)
mG.0S.Br: 0 Wins
mG Win Percentage: 0%
Test Results
Cho-Z Valkyrie 7 αngle Xtreme vs. Garuda G3 0 Wall Bearing
超V.7α.X: 4 Wins (3 OS, 1 KO)
G3.0W.Br: 6 Wins (6 OS)
G3 Win Percentage: 60%
Cho-Z Valkyrie 7 αngle Hunter Dash vs. Garuda G3 0 Wall Bearing
超V.7α.Hn': 1 Wins (1 OS)
G3.0W.Br: 4 Wins (6 OS)
G3 Win Percentage: 80%
Cho-Z Valkyrie 7 αngle Xtreme Dash vs. Garuda G3 0 Wall Bearing
超V.7α.X': 4 Wins (2 OS, 2 KO)
G3.0W.Br: 1 Wins (1 OS)
G3 Win Percentage: 20%
Cho-Z Valkyrie 7 αngle Xtreme Dash vs. Garuda G3 0 Star Bearing
超V.7α.X': 0 Wins
G3.0S.Br: 5 Wins (5 OS)
G3 Win Percentage: 100%
Hell Salamander 0 Wall Bearing vs. Garuda G3 0 Wall Bearing
hS.0W.Br: 3 Wins (3 OS)
G3.0W.Br: 3 Wins (3 OS)
14 Draws
G3 Win Percentage: 50%
Key Takeaways
- The mG benchmark demonstrates that it should basically instantly burst versus Attack. But G3 never bursted once in these tests.
- The Frame on G3 played a pretty big role. Wall was getting knocked around and smashed down pretty easily, especially with Xtreme Dash. Star was much harder for 超V, as the results indicate.
- Hunter Dash really didn't do much against G3 even with Wall on it ... that's not right. Against TT Bearing I'm certain the result would be much different.
- The hS and G3 matchup was dead even overall. 14 Draws.