Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline (updated 6-11!)

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RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - Thunder Dome - Apr. 25, 2013

(Apr. 25, 2013 2:14 AM)ShinobuXD Wrote: This may be a bit ambitious, but do people think we are ready for a tier list? I mean, this seems fine to me, barring it uses Ingulit's format.
Sway Attack
MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang SA165/E230/SP230 CF/GF/GCF

Smash Attack
MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang W145/160 RF/R2F/XF

Sway Defense
MSF-H Revizer Revizer E230 BSF/RSF/RS

Stamina
MSF-H Revizer Dragooon B

Duo Cancer B

Of course, it is only five combos, but if that is all that is competitive so far, that's all that's competitive. What do you guys think?[/i]

Does anyone else think that we should Test MSF-H Killlerken Genbull SA165 TB? It actually works pretty good. I think it has potential to be on the list.

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - DrPepsidew - Apr. 25, 2013

Guys, we can't test just one thing and say it could go on the list, we need to test a TON of stuff, then pick the best for each type of bey.

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - Izhkoort - Apr. 25, 2013

Well... I think some things can be obvious, for example:
Zero G attack:
Metal Wheel: Diablo
Chrome Wheel: Wyvang, Dragooon (on top for left spin), Begirados, Girago, Balro, Gryph, Phoenic (only one should be recommended), Pegasis(?)
Track: E230/SP230/SA165
Bottom: CF/CGF/GF

Zero G defense:
Metal Wheel: Duo
Chrome Wheel: Revizer, Gargole, Killerken, Dragooon (only for left spin)
Track: E230/SP230/SA165(?)/F230
Bottom: RS/RSF/BSF/SF/ES(?)

Still some things should be more tested, but we have something in the mid time

Stamina (some tests still needed)
Metal Wheel: Duo, Phantom
Chrome Wheel: Revizer, Genbull, Dragooon (only for spin equalizers), Orojya
Track: E230/W145 (only with WD & BWD/T125 (only with BWD)/SA165 (for spin equalizers)/TH170
Bottom: WD/D/SD/BWD/EWD (only for spin equalizers)
4D: B : D

Balance: (this should be more tested... I think is possible to make more of this type)
Metal Wheel: Duo
Chrome Wheel: Dragooon (for left spin), Saramanda (pure balance wheel), Girago, Wyvang
Track: F230
Bottom: CF/GCF

For "normal" attacka and defense... attack is what I think needs really serious testing, defense is more like, the same has Zero G Defense but using only Rubber bottoms... (I think)

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - ShinobuXD - Apr. 25, 2013

Good point Ginga. I think Revizer Dragooon SA165 CF is a top tier, son e it will also OS defenders since it has good LAD.

To others saying certain stuff should go up- if you have valid tests to show, I'd be more than happy to add it. I just don't wanna add stuff with tests only against Dragooon, like Duo SA165 BWD and Revizer Revizer T125 WD, unless its just winning tournaments left and right.

So, does everyone agree that the list is good? I really want to have someone put a tier list before Monday.

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - Thunder Dome - Apr. 28, 2013

Here's my idea for the tier list ( I'll try to get testing up later)

Sway Attack
MSF-H Gryph/Wyvang/Barlo SA165/SP230/E230 GF/GCF/CF

Sway defense
MSF-H Killerken Revizer/ Revizer^2 E230 RS/BSF/FS/SB

Left Spin
MSF-H Killerken/Revizer Dragooon BD/ SA165 EWD/BWD

Left Spin Sway Attack
MSF-H Barlo/Gryph/Killerken Dragooon SA165 (Zero g attack) CF/GCF

Stamina
Duo Cancer/Cygnus BD
Duo Cancer/Cygnus SA165 BWD/EWD
MSF-H Killerken/Revizer Genbull SA165 TB/EWD/W2D (W2D needa more testing)

This is not a complete tier list. It is just some of my ideas that have potential to go on the tier list.

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - Izhkoort - Apr. 29, 2013

should be pointed... if I remember right Left Spin + B : D isn't a sway defense combo, is only a left spin spin equalizer, so... what if we put the actual B : D for stamina and RS/BSF/etc. for left spin sway defense, making clear that any left spin can't be sway by right spin and vice versa?

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - ShinobuXD - Apr. 29, 2013

But that is niche, since it will only beat left spin sway.

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - Ultra - Apr. 29, 2013

Does Duo B:D actually work against anything apart from spin stealers? Also same question with anything else on B:D really? Speaking for the UK meta I don't think anyone really uses them. I mean a synchrom B:D combo and it got beaten by an uncustomised Big Bang Pegasis. I think that F:D should be tested since B:D has a lot of use again.

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - *Ginga* - Apr. 29, 2013

OK, after viewing everybody's list suggestions I came up with this:

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If Wyvang Wyvang does well against E230 in Zero-G, Defense against Smash is pretty dead. The Scythe idea that Ingulit uses in BB-10 only works because it doesn't scrape. That combo would scrape so badly in ZG and we know it, haha.

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - Izhkoort - Apr. 29, 2013

F230CF can be balance (can sway and has good stamina and LAD)

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - loyd87 - Apr. 29, 2013

So phantom seems to be outclassed finaly. May be scythe could be usefull but with an other height. And there was no more use for basalt?

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - Thunder Dome - Apr. 29, 2013

The only way I would ever use Basalt in Zero G now is with Basalt BD. I mean there aren't much good uses for it. Synchromes work better than it for defense in Zero G.

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - ShinobuXD - Apr. 29, 2013

(Apr. 29, 2013 10:06 PM)*Ginga* Wrote: OK, after viewing everybody's list suggestions I came up with this:

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Quote:Smash Attack
MSF/MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang W145/160 R2F/RF/XF
MF/MF-H Flash Escolpio/Orion W145/160 R2F/RF/XF Wyvang is straight better.

Zero-G Attack
MSF/MSF-H Wyvang/Bahamdia/Begirados Wyvang/Begirados/Pegasis SA165/E230/SP230 GCF/GF/CF Wyvang is heaviest out of those. I'd take out the rest.
MSF/MSF-H Girago/Pegasis Balro/Gryph/Phoenic SA165/E230/SP230 GCF/GF/CF Isn't this exactly like the first combo, except with different chrome wheels?
MSF/MSF-H Revizer/Killerken/ Bahamdia/Pegasis Dragoon SA165/E230/SP230 GCF/GF/CF Like I've said before in this thread, left spin sway is niche. The only competitive left spin sway attackers are ones that can also OS stuff IMO.

Defense
MSF-H Revizer Revizer E230 RS/RB I don't think smash defense is needed. It is the exact same as sway defense, subtracting BSF.
MSF-H Killerken Revizer E230 RS/RB

Zero-G Defense (Sway Defense)
MSF-H Revizer Revizer E230 BSF/RSF/RS/RB RB is too aggressive. I've tested it.
MSF-H Revizer Dragooon E230 BSF/RSF/RS/RB EXTREMELY niche. It won't OS or KO anything except Dragooon sway.

Stamina
Duo Cancer/Cygnus/Aquario SA165 BWD/EWD EWD goes crazy if the opponent banks sometimes. Meh. BWD testing is needed. Can anyone test it soon?
Duo Cancer/Cygnus/Aquario W145 EWD/BWD Same as above.
MSF-H Killerken/Revizer Genbull SA165 TB/EWD (maybe W2D, unclear) This is very niche. No chance of beating anything except Dragooon.

Spin Stealers
MSF-H Killerken/Revizer Dragooon B
MSF-H Killerken/Revizer Dragooon SA165 BWD/EWD Any chance of some BWD testing anyone?

Anti Spin Stealer (Hey, not sure of another place these would go)
MF-H Duo Cancer/Aquario/Cygnus F230 CF Seems kinda niche to me. Any chance of tests versus Phantom B anyone?
Duo Cancer/Aquario/Cygnus B I'll test B vs EWD soon. I think B will outperform it in same spin.
If Wyvang Wyvang does well against E230 in Zero-G, Defense against Smash is pretty dead. The Scythe idea that Ingulit uses in BB-10 only works because it doesn't scrape. That combo would scrape so badly in ZG and we know it, haha.

My thoughts are in bold.

Sorry for requesting so much, I'd test this stuff myself if I had BWD and a couple other parts. We just can't put stuff up without tests to back it up.

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - Izhkoort - Apr. 29, 2013

reading the last top tier list again I have one simple thing I hate, and that thing is that for no matter reason you need E230, 4 of 6 types of beyblades possibles on Zero G uses E230, and Defense ONLY use E230, sorry but that doesn't seems right to me

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - ShinobuXD - Apr. 29, 2013

E230 is for sway defense and sway attack.

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - Thunder Dome - Apr. 29, 2013

(Apr. 29, 2013 11:18 PM)Izhkoort Wrote: reading the last top tier list again I have one simple thing I hate, and that thing is that for no matter reason you need E230, 4 of 6 types of beyblades possibles on Zero G uses E230, and Defense ONLY use E230, sorry but that doesn't seems right to me

E230 is just a versatile part. Also it's not really in that many categories.

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - Izhkoort - Apr. 29, 2013

I'm meaning that is like dragooon, yes, can be versatile, I would add it for stamina too with certain combos, but when you see it so dominating and at some point is your nearly only option (that's why I pointed defense), even dragooon is not that needed actually

I think should be tested Genbull^2 SR200TB, this combo was tested for BB-10 and has great stamina, and TB I think is the only stamina tip that can be used for Zero G Defense, if I remember right

(I'm not testing because of lack of time and I need certain parts too)

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - *Ginga* - Apr. 29, 2013

(Apr. 29, 2013 11:17 PM)ShinobuXD Wrote:
(Apr. 29, 2013 10:06 PM)*Ginga* Wrote: OK, after viewing everybody's list suggestions I came up with this:

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Quote:Smash Attack
MSF/MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang W145/160 R2F/RF/XF
MF/MF-H Flash Escolpio/Orion W145/160 R2F/RF/XF Wyvang is straight better.

Zero-G Attack
MSF/MSF-H Wyvang/Bahamdia/Begirados Wyvang/Begirados/Pegasis SA165/E230/SP230 GCF/GF/CF Wyvang is heaviest out of those. I'd take out the rest.
MSF/MSF-H Girago/Pegasis Balro/Gryph/Phoenic SA165/E230/SP230 GCF/GF/CF Isn't this exactly like the first combo, except with different chrome wheels?
MSF/MSF-H Revizer/Killerken/ Bahamdia/Pegasis Dragoon SA165/E230/SP230 GCF/GF/CF Like I've said before in this thread, left spin sway is niche. The only competitive left spin sway attackers are ones that can also OS stuff IMO.

Defense
MSF-H Revizer Revizer E230 RS/RB I don't think smash defense is needed. It is the exact same as sway defense, subtracting BSF.
MSF-H Killerken Revizer E230 RS/RB

Zero-G Defense (Sway Defense)
MSF-H Revizer Revizer E230 BSF/RSF/RS/RB RB is too aggressive. I've tested it.
MSF-H Revizer Dragooon E230 BSF/RSF/RS/RB EXTREMELY niche. It won't OS or KO anything except Dragooon sway.

Stamina
Duo Cancer/Cygnus/Aquario SA165 BWD/EWD EWD goes crazy if the opponent banks sometimes. Meh. BWD testing is needed. Can anyone test it soon?
Duo Cancer/Cygnus/Aquario W145 EWD/BWD Same as above.
MSF-H Killerken/Revizer Genbull SA165 TB/EWD (maybe W2D, unclear) This is very niche. No chance of beating anything except Dragooon.

Spin Stealers
MSF-H Killerken/Revizer Dragooon B:D
MSF-H Killerken/Revizer Dragooon SA165 BWD/EWD Any chance of some BWD testing anyone?

Anti Spin Stealer (Hey, not sure of another place these would go)
MF-H Duo Cancer/Aquario/Cygnus F230 CF Seems kinda niche to me. Any chance of tests versus Phantom B:D anyone?
Duo Cancer/Aquario/Cygnus B:D I'll test B:D vs EWD soon. I think B:D will outperform it in same spin.
If Wyvang Wyvang does well against E230 in Zero-G, Defense against Smash is pretty dead. The Scythe idea that Ingulit uses in BB-10 only works because it doesn't scrape. That combo would scrape so badly in ZG and we know it, haha.
My thoughts are in bold.

Replies to your very bold responses(cwutididthere) (Click to View)

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - ShinobuXD - Apr. 29, 2013

(Apr. 29, 2013 10:06 PM)*Ginga* Wrote:
Replies to your very bold responses(cwutididthere) (Click to View)
1st bold: Completely agree.
2nd: Back in March your favorite Sway combo was Pegasis Bahamdia, haha. OK, I will edit that.
3rd: Seemed too messy to have it on one line.
4th: What does everybody else think about this? I sorta kinda agree with ShinobuXD, but then again, my gut is saying it should stay, haha.
5th: One Defense category would be confusing ...
6th: That is fine.
7th: Again, what does everbody else think about this?
8th: OK, but what about WD, D, etc? Needs more testing ...I can test BWD.
9th: Same as above.
10th: Really? It needs more testing, but I don't have TB or Genbull, so can someone else step up to do this?
11th: I can test.
12th and 13th: That whole section seems niche, haha. Anyways, why Phantom B:? Anyways, I can test that.

Ok, 1. Good to know.
2. I don't know, no official tests on my part. If I test it officially and get better results, I'll post a thread.
3. I think something as simple as MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang E230/SP230/SA165 CF/GCF/GF would be fine.
4. Revizer Dragooon SA165(Normal)CF anyone?
5. Ok. I can go for that.
6. Good to know.
7. Lets wait and see what others say I guess.
8. Great! Thank you! I can do WD and the likes.
9. Same as above.
10. KainHighwind tested the W2D variant in BB-10 and said it wasn't very good.
11. Thank you!
12 and 13. I figured most people wouldn't have two Duos. If someone does and wants to test that instead, even better.

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - Thunder Dome - Apr. 30, 2013

My thoughts.

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RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - Yuko Ray14 - Apr. 30, 2013

So, I've got a question about Reviser Dragooon SA165CF, wouldn't GCF work better, I mean it has the same amount of LAD but more surface area.

(Apr. 29, 2013 11:35 PM)Izhkoort Wrote: I think should be tested Genbull^2 SR200TB, this combo was tested for BB-10 and has great stamina, and TB I think is the only stamina tip that can be used for Zero G Defense, if I remember right

BWD also does pretty good vs sway attack.

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - [)ragon - Apr. 30, 2013

YukoRay14, you took the words right out of my mouth. Tongue_out

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - Izhkoort - Apr. 30, 2013

@Yuko Ray14: for my experience has better balance, so is more versatile

Thunder Dome: you only have problem with left spin stamina beyblades (aka: spin equalizers)? or with right spin stamina ones to?

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - Yuko Ray14 - Apr. 30, 2013

(Apr. 30, 2013 2:02 AM)Izhkoort Wrote: @Yuko Ray14: for my experience has better balance, so is more versatile

No, BWD would be more versatile being that, it has great stamina, is pretty good at not getting sway KO'ed and it is great vs spin stealers, TB can't do that.

RE: Zero G DEVELOPMENTAL Top Tier Outline - Dark_Mousy - Apr. 30, 2013

TB is amazing against Sway Attack. It has good stamina. But it does lose to spin stealers easier.