(Apr. 19, 2011  12:24 AM)ArmorD-00taku Wrote: Did you guys test it with Metal Flat? Because I'm curious about that?

(Apr. 19, 2011  12:39 AM)Yamislayer Wrote: about mf: other options are WAY better

(Apr. 19, 2011  12:13 AM)Yamislayer Wrote: just an OT question anyway: is WF completely different or pretty much similar to XF?

(Apr. 19, 2011  12:44 AM)ControL_ Wrote: But the tankmb is so unstable even meteo mf should be able to OS

(Apr. 19, 2011  12:46 AM)meteordrago9 Wrote: Wwhy don't you use Lightning or Meteo L-drago? they're both very good but maybe rare ones.

(Apr. 19, 2011  12:50 AM)ikmv Wrote: Truthfully there is no pure attack from all my tests that can consistantly beat as far as hitting out of the stadium. Using XF on an attack bey does it convert it to a stamina bey then? TBH Sta is supposed to beat defensive beys right? Like Yamislayer I do have doubles of everything if not triples, even MB's so if anyone does have any suggestion they want me to try I can. My cousin Armor will come over this week so "proper" testing can be done. What I mean by that is the Basalt BD combo can be launched and manipulated to overcome certain combos also so we can test it that way too to give it a "real world" type testing with 2 people launching the combos.

(Apr. 18, 2011  2:03 PM)othellog Wrote: I do not have basalt, so can someone please test this combo matchup.
MF-H Libra 85D vs Baslat Leone BD145CS/MB.
I would like to see how my defense breakthrough combo will do against an "unbeatable" combo.
If MF-H Libra doesn't win then use:
Earth Cancer 90WD vs Basalt Leone BD145MB/CS
This sounds like a fearsome combo!

(Apr. 19, 2011  12:54 AM)Meteo R-drago 9 Wrote:

(Apr. 18, 2011  2:03 PM)othellog Wrote: I do not have basalt, so can someone please test this combo matchup.
MF-H Libra 85D vs Baslat Leone BD145CS/MB.
I would like to see how my defense breakthrough combo will do against an "unbeatable" combo.
If MF-H Libra doesn't win then use:
Earth Cancer 90WD vs Basalt Leone BD145MB/CS
This sounds like a fearsome combo!

What if someone used the "forbidden" bey against it? Or maybe Meteo L-drago? XD

(Apr. 19, 2011  12:56 AM)Dan Wrote: I think XF 'attack' combinations fit under the destabilizer kind of category; Attack and stamina hybrid. As for Meteo XF, it should be spin-stealer/stamina type. MF/-F/-H Lightning LDrago CH120XF should be considered an attack type for sure, and I think Basalt is a pretty good indicator of separating scenarios like this with types breeding. (Basalt beats attack types hands-down -therefore it can be considered more of an attack type-, Stamina hybrids and the like tear it up? -therefore it is more on the stamina field, then the attack.-) Perhaps arbitrary and useless, but it is the first thing that came to my mind.

(Apr. 19, 2011  1:21 AM)Yamislayer Wrote: oh, anyway, MB can deal with "edge stalling" if you shoot it strong enough.
you can make it do the same at low spid. you'll take a hit, but KO chances are not high and this will give some problems at xf users.

@ otaku: launching the "tank" (the name i was using for it time ago was "Yami Spin Breaker" lol) is different cause of its weight. you can't shoot it as light beyblades with a flashy movement or you'll end up with a crappy shoot (because gears won't work well)

about pure attack, i got decent results with Hell, Fang, Sagittario PRE.

(Apr. 19, 2011  2:41 AM)Mr. N Wrote: As you know, I don't have MB, the thing we are currently focusing our attention to, because any combo with XF (not Dark; I proved that it sucked) will have positive and consistent results against the Tank. I thought and thought and thought for a good substitute for MB. Then, it hit me. It might not only do as good as MB, but do even better. MF! So, I did some comparison tests for it between CS.

MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS VS MF Lightning L-Drago CH145LRF
Standard Procedures
Basalt Kerbecs Win Rate - 100% (10OSs)

This was expected. Let's see MF.

MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MF VS MF Lightning L-Drago CH145LRF
Standard Procedures
Basalt Kerbecs Win Rate - 100% (1KO, 9OSs)

OK, we have proved that MF and CS equal in Defense capabilities on Basalt BD145.

Maybe MF is better than MB? Anyone of you who own MB and MF, please do comparison tests. Think about it. MF creates more friction (Sorry if this statement is wrong; I have never seen MB movement) but MB is heavier. By how much? By less than a gram. Do you really want to sacrifice more friction (Again, sorry if this statement is wrong) for about 0.7 extra grams? I don't think you would. Now let's compare the results of CS and MB against the "Tank Buster"

I didn't bother to retest it, as I already tested it this afternoon.

MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS VS MF-H Hell Unicorno 230XF
Standard Procedures
Basalt Kerbecs Win Rate - 20% (2OS)

I already talked about those results, so let's move on to MF.

MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MF VS MF-H Hell Unicorno 230XF
Standard Procedures
Basalt Kerbecs Win Rate - 80% (6KOs, 2OSs)

Bank/Sliding Shoot it, and it will almost be guarenteed to win. MF's partial flower pattern immediately interferes with Hell Unicorno's path around the TR, and it will either KO it, or make it lose so much spin that it will be outspun.

I don't think MB has enough movement to do this (Again, I'm assuming that MF has more friction than MB), so it will have a harder time against these "Tank Busters" or "Tornado Stallers" or whatever you want to call them. Please test MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MF more, since it might just better than the MB version.

(Apr. 18, 2011  3:25 PM)GreeNxBlader Wrote:

(Apr. 18, 2011  3:03 PM)Bakers Dozen Wrote: Soz if im going off topic but
NNNNOOOOOOO I came up with that but didn't tell anyone and now heaps of people know. Its my greatest combo!

NO, you saw me use it at the previous tournament.
Btw, The BD145 does beat 230s a lot of the time, HOWEVER it fails against Hell Kerbecs 230CS and LTSC.

(Apr. 19, 2011  2:56 AM)ArmorD-00taku Wrote:

(Apr. 19, 2011  2:41 AM)Mr. N Wrote: long post removed

I'll will surely look into this. I've seen one person use it *Cough*Otsu*Cough*. Try it against the same combo but with a CS.

(Apr. 19, 2011  3:33 AM)Mr. N Wrote:

(Apr. 19, 2011  2:56 AM)ArmorD-00taku Wrote:

(Apr. 19, 2011  2:41 AM)Mr. N Wrote: long post removed

I'll will surely look into this. I've seen one person use it *Cough*Otsu*Cough*. Try it against the same combo but with a CS.

What are you talking about? I tested it against both MF and CS against the same opponents with the same combo, except for the Bottom, of course.

(Apr. 19, 2011  3:58 AM)ArmorD-00taku Wrote:

(Apr. 19, 2011  3:33 AM)Mr. N Wrote:

(Apr. 19, 2011  2:56 AM)ArmorD-00taku Wrote:

(Apr. 19, 2011  2:41 AM)Mr. N Wrote: long post removed

I'll will surely look into this. I've seen one person use it *Cough*Otsu*Cough*. Try it against the same combo but with a CS.

What are you talking about? I tested it against both MF and CS against the same opponents with the same combo, except for the Bottom, of course.

I mean face them against each other.

(Apr. 19, 2011  12:42 AM)ArmorD-00taku Wrote: Same, I'm curious of what Beat Lynx and L Drago Destroy can do. If they can beat the "tank"
I will never mis-assume again. I already know a Stamina has its chances of beating it. XF itself basically acts like a stamina. I don't like staminas because their straight up boring, there's nothing like the feeling of flinging the opposing player's blade, especially when that blade is THE heaviest blade to date.
But since no one can find an attack type, I'm dissapointed.