(Dec. 12, 2021  9:55 AM)SpeedySuomi Wrote: Not gonna lie, I feel like Ultimate Valkyrie should've had Ul'. As to why that Driver to be exact, it's because it's like an amalgamation of every driver Valkyrie's ever had; the attack power of the rubber drivers and the technicality of the plastic ones. Valkyrie drivers also start off slow before going bonkers at a certain point in time.

(Dec. 12, 2021  11:16 AM)SomebodyUnknown Wrote:

(Dec. 12, 2021  9:55 AM)SpeedySuomi Wrote: Not gonna lie, I feel like Ultimate Valkyrie should've had Ul'. As to why that Driver to be exact, it's because it's like an amalgamation of every driver Valkyrie's ever had; the attack power of the rubber drivers and the technicality of the plastic ones. Valkyrie drivers also start off slow before going bonkers at a certain point in time.

Story-wise - maybe, it kinda makes sense, but performance-wise Variable' is just better even despite being prone to self-KOs - well if you think about it, Ul' has the same issue after activation with much less stamina and attack power left, so....

(Dec. 12, 2021  8:29 PM)PikaBeyblade Wrote: What if it was power’

(Dec. 13, 2021  11:28 PM)DeltaZakuro Wrote: my only problem with Variable' here is that it's a bit short which could cause scraping especially when using DB disks, probably should've went with High Variable' since High Drivers don't scrape as bad on DB Disks but even then i think you would be better off using Evolution/Evolution'. Variable' is honestly just used for nostalgic purposes on Ultimate for its stock

(Dec. 14, 2021  1:11 AM)TheRogueBlader Wrote:

(Dec. 13, 2021  11:28 PM)DeltaZakuro Wrote: my only problem with Variable' here is that it's a bit short which could cause scraping especially when using DB disks, probably should've went with High Variable' since High Drivers don't scrape as bad on DB Disks but even then i think you would be better off using Evolution/Evolution'. Variable' is honestly just used for nostalgic purposes on Ultimate for its stock

If drift doesn’t scrape on over, I don’t think variable’ will on anything. I’ve been testing ev’ extensively on karma, giga, and nexus and it doesn’t scrape. On nexus+s it does, but that’s literally nexus+s’s gimmick+; to scrape. On over it might scrape, haven’t tested that, but over is best suited for stamina combos especially in deck anyways

(Dec. 14, 2021  2:50 AM)DeltaZakuro Wrote:

(Dec. 14, 2021  1:11 AM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: If drift doesn’t scrape on over, I don’t think variable’ will on anything. I’ve been testing ev’ extensively on karma, giga, and nexus and it doesn’t scrape. On nexus+s it does, but that’s literally nexus+s’s gimmick+; to scrape. On over it might scrape, haven’t tested that, but over is best suited for stamina combos especially in deck anyways

Thing is, Drift and Variable are 2 entirely different drivers used for entirely different things. Drift is more suited for LAD, Stamina and Defense while Variable is more suited for attack. Comparing Evolution to Variable, Evolution is much taller than the latter so scraping is obviously not an issue for it regardless of the disk

And scraping is not the gimmick with Nexus (S). S-Gear changes modes with Nexus, the shape and width of S-Gear is what causes it to scrape.

(Dec. 17, 2021  2:05 AM)WickedHero Wrote: I saw some people test battle against Guilty and Ultimate burst more often. Is the ultimate blade have big recoil? Cant be core and driver, because it has big teeth and dash driver.

(Dec. 17, 2021  6:39 AM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: I wonder how ultimate would do as a stationary attacker. It’s not the most aggressive of shapes similiar to judgment from GT but it still has massive recoil like judgement. I wonder if using a heavy stationary driver would help it possibly kill stamina of same spin stuff? Just a thought

(Dec. 17, 2021  6:55 AM)BeybladeManiac0 Wrote:

(Dec. 17, 2021  6:39 AM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: I wonder how ultimate would do as a stationary attacker. It’s not the most aggressive of shapes similiar to judgment from GT but it still has massive recoil like judgement. I wonder if using a heavy stationary driver would help it possibly kill stamina of same spin stuff? Just a thought

You mean something like Ultimate Perseus Over Never-0 in Low Mode?

(Dec. 17, 2021  3:52 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: It sounds to me like Ultimate would benefit from using a slower attack driver like Ds' or Ul'. Not sure how well pure stationary would do so I won't comment on that, but I do wonder if the Belial2 core could be used to mitigate the self-burst risk and create a monster of an attacker.

A guy on YouTube by the name of Ruler520 recently uploaded a video testing stock Ultimate against some of the combinations he uses in competition, and Ultimate seemed to do well. Here's hoping we have a right spin Guilty on our hands, because if so, the meta is about to get a rude awakening.

(Dec. 17, 2021  3:58 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote:

(Dec. 17, 2021  3:52 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: It sounds to me like Ultimate would benefit from using a slower attack driver like Ds' or Ul'. Not sure how well pure stationary would do so I won't comment on that, but I do wonder if the Belial2 core could be used to mitigate the self-burst risk and create a monster of an attacker.

A guy on YouTube by the name of Ruler520 recently uploaded a video testing stock Ultimate against some of the combinations he uses in competition, and Ultimate seemed to do well. Here's hoping we have a right spin Guilty on our hands, because if so, the meta is about to get a rude awakening.

I agree. At this point we really just need a right spin guilty. And I could see why a slower driver like ds’ (ul’ is actually pretty fast just not as fast as xtreme and definitely not ev’) would help ultimate hit like a wall. But I also feel like sometimes slower drivers aren’t enough to pull of the KO, that’s just me though. I don’t know if ultimate has a self burst risk, but if it does belial2 should help. If there is no self burst risk then I wonder if perseus’s outward weight could benefit it.