(Jul. 25, 2020  10:10 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:06 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote: Well from the characters your bringing up your just proving Ben can’t be defeated and if anything your just proving that you can’t accept bens better then your character

I gave scenarios in which each characters can win. If you don’t want to accept then don’t but I am not going to waste my time if you won’t accept the facts. This was bound to be toxic so I am not really surprised.

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:19 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:10 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: I gave scenarios in which each characters can win. If you don’t want to accept then don’t but I am not going to waste my time if you won’t accept the facts. This was bound to be toxic so I am not really surprised.

Yeah and I’m debunking then

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:04 PM)bladekid Wrote: Either superman, Goku, or Kirby.

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:10 PM)Flame-Byxis Wrote: The problem with Ben 10 is that his watch works with the DNA of an alien species, in the case of Alien X, Celestialsapiens. Therefore, either:
a) He's one of a species equal in strength. He's not the not THE strongest character but, one of many.
b) If the other Celestialsapiens are killed and Alien X is the last Celestialsapien left, then obviously there is someone or something that that eliminate Alien X as well.

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:13 PM)kai edits Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:10 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Thank you

Can dio just overload the watch and Ben will die from the explosion from dio going wryyyyyyyyyy

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:14 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Giorno could also create Alien X if he gets a strand of dna of the alien.

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Speedwagon wins because he has German science

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:22 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:19 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote: Yeah and I’m debunking then

I see you will debunk me that Ben will lose if he could move in stopped time and that dio loses if Ben can’t move in stopped time. Thanks.

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But the Ichiraku Ramen guy, Speedwagon, and the farmer with the shotgun obliterate Ben 10

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:26 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:04 PM)bladekid Wrote: Either superman, Goku, or Kirby.

1. Alien x can teleport Superman in a cage of kryptonite

2.Alien x can drain all of gokus energy leaving him powerless and goku can’t breath in space but Ben can

3.he has a alien just like Kirby called upchuck but he can eat stuff and shoot out Assad and has 7 tongues that can each pick up one thing

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(Jul. 25, 2020  10:10 PM)Flame-Byxis Wrote: The problem with Ben 10 is that his watch works with the DNA of an alien species, in the case of Alien X, Celestialsapiens. Therefore, either:
a) He's one of a species equal in strength. He's not the not THE strongest character but, one of many.
b) If the other Celestialsapiens are killed and Alien X is the last Celestialsapien left, then obviously there is someone or something that that eliminate Alien X as well.

Yes there are more then one celestialsapien there is a species and I’m bringing Ben 10 because when he turns into a alien he becomes the prime version of them meaning alien x is the strongest one in the species but still can not kill any but he can knock them unconscious

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(Jul. 25, 2020  10:13 PM)kai edits Wrote: Can dio just overload the watch and Ben will die from the explosion from dio going wryyyyyyyyyy

The watch can not be overloaded because there are unlimited places where the dna can be stored

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(Jul. 25, 2020  10:14 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Giorno could also create Alien X if he gets a strand of dna of the alien.

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Speedwagon wins because he has German science

Well he can’t because the only creatures that can make alien x’s are other alien x’s

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(Jul. 25, 2020  10:22 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: I see you will debunk me that Ben will lose if he could move in stopped time and that dio loses if Ben can’t move in stopped time. Thanks.

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But the Ichiraku Ramen guy, Speedwagon, and the farmer with the shotgun obliterate Ben 10

2 words alien x

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:36 PM)DeltaZakuro Wrote: Dang, what has this thread come to?!

I think Heaven Ascension Dio is pretty fricking strong, and The World Over Heaven is one the strongest stands next to Gold Experience Requiem.

This has become a pretty toxic thread ngl

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:36 PM)UltimateMaster Wrote: I have a few answers: (SPOILERS)

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Rey (The Rise of Skywalker): She literally wielded the power of all the Jedi. She’s the granddaughter of one the most powerful Sith Lords.

Kylo Ren (The Rise of Skywalker):
In a dyad with Rey, sort of makes them equal?

Jyn Erso (Rogue One):
First of all, she was almost trained her whole life as a child soldier. She was able to easily defeat a number of stormtroopers.

Deku  (My Hero Academia):  
He can use one for all. He’s the student of all might. And he is literally pretty overpowered.

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:36 PM)UltimateMaster Wrote: I have a few answers: (SPOILERS)

Spoiler (Click to View)

Rey (The Rise of Skywalker): She literally wielded the power of all the Jedi. She’s the granddaughter of one the most powerful Sith Lords.

Kylo Ren (The Rise of Skywalker):
In a dyad with Rey, sort of makes them equal?

Jyn Erso (Rogue One):
First of all, she was almost trained her whole life as a child soldier. She was able to easily defeat a number of stormtroopers.

Deku (My Hero Academia):
He can use one for all. He’s the student of all might. And he is literally pretty overpowered.

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:46 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: I also think that funny valentine with his D4C and love train could beat if not tie with Ben 10 even with Alien X.

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D4C can hop between dimensions which is something Ben 10 can not do as per my knowledge and love train deflects any misfortune caused to the president to his opponent. In adition to this if his opponent has even a small scratch he can move it to their heart therefore killing them. He could also bring another Ben 10 with the same powers to fight the current Ben 10 and if they happen to touch each other they both explode and die

contains part 7 spoilers

(Jul. 25, 2020  9:38 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote: there’s a alien in the omnitrix stronger then alien x but Ben hasn’t unlocked it yet

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:51 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:46 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: I also think that funny valentine with his D4C and love train could beat if not tie with Ben 10 even with Alien X.

Spoiler (Click to View)

D4C can hop between dimensions which is something Ben 10 can not do as per my knowledge and love train deflects any misfortune caused to the president to his opponent. In adition to this if his opponent has even a small scratch he can move it to their heart therefore killing them. He could also bring another Ben 10 with the same powers to fight the current Ben 10 and if they happen to touch each other they both explode and die

contains part 7 spoilers

Also Ben 10 can because the whole thing with Ben 10 omniverse is where Ben meets other bens from other dimensions and still the omnitrix won’t allow Ben to die the omnitrix would change him into a alien as soon as D4C tries to do that and Ben wouldn’t die if they two touched each other because in the show they’ve litterly grabbed each other’s hands and pulled them up and didn’t explode and also the omnitrix would keep them from exploding and Ben has passed experience with all the bens that still exist because all the bad ones have been wiped out by another Ben using clockwork

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:55 PM)Flame-Byxis Wrote: Just saying one last thing before I leave this thread.

(Jul. 25, 2020  9:38 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote: there’s a alien in the omnitrix stronger then alien x but Ben hasn’t unlocked it yet

This means there is a species out there stronger than Alien X. By your own arguing Ben 10 doesn't yet have the strongest being.

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:40 PM)DeltaZakuro Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:36 PM)UltimateMaster Wrote: I have a few answers: (SPOILERS)

Spoiler (Click to View)

Rey (The Rise of Skywalker): She literally wielded the power of all the Jedi. She’s the granddaughter of one the most powerful Sith Lords.

Kylo Ren (The Rise of Skywalker):
In a dyad with Rey, sort of makes them equal?

Jyn Erso (Rogue One):
First of all, she was almost trained her whole life as a child soldier. She was able to easily defeat a number of stormtroopers.

Deku  (My Hero Academia):  
He can use one for all. He’s the student of all might. And he is literally pretty overpowered.

This makes sense, i remember hearing a rumor that Kylo lives on within Rey. That or he's a force ghost.

you cant forget Darth Vader too

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:41 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:36 PM)UltimateMaster Wrote: I have a few answers: (SPOILERS)

Spoiler (Click to View)

Rey (The Rise of Skywalker): She literally wielded the power of all the Jedi. She’s the granddaughter of one the most powerful Sith Lords.

Kylo Ren (The Rise of Skywalker):
In a dyad with Rey, sort of makes them equal?

Jyn Erso (Rogue One):
First of all, she was almost trained her whole life as a child soldier. She was able to easily defeat a number of stormtroopers.

Deku  (My Hero Academia):  
He can use one for all. He’s the student of all might. And he is literally pretty overpowered.

Ok these are pretty strong but

With Kylo ren and Rey diamond head can absorb there light sabers crystal and with the force thing alien x can just reverse every force push they make right back at them and it’s been shown alien x will not move unless...

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:57 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:51 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote: Also Ben 10 can because the whole thing with Ben 10 omniverse is where Ben meets other bens from other dimensions and still the omnitrix won’t allow Ben to die the omnitrix would change him into a alien as soon as D4C tries to do that and Ben wouldn’t die if they two touched each other because in the show they’ve litterly grabbed each other’s hands and pulled them up and didn’t explode and also the omnitrix would keep them from exploding and Ben has passed experience with all the bens that still exist because all the bad ones have been wiped out by another Ben using clockwork

I guess D4C was a bad example seeing as how the two dimensional systems are very different, but tusk act 4 definitely could since if his users nails hit him once then his atoms will spin forever and even if the user is killed the stand remains and since Ben can’t see stands he would ultimately lose (since he would think that the battle is over, and when he reverts tusk barrages Ben to death and it has an A in power, b in speed, and a in range).

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:58 PM)UltimateMaster Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:40 PM)DeltaZakuro Wrote: This makes sense, i remember hearing a rumor that Kylo lives on within Rey. That or he's a force ghost.

you cant forget Darth Vader too

Lol I totally forgot him. Also yeah, I think Kylo probably does live on in Rey as they are technically one in the force. Also the “Rey, I’ll always be with you” quote in the novelization.

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(Jul. 25, 2020  10:41 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote: Ok these are pretty strong but

With Kylo ren and Rey diamond head can absorb there light sabers crystal and with the force thing alien x can just reverse every force push they make right back at them and it’s been shown alien x will not move unless...

So there are certain force abilities that could, in fact, counter that.

(Jul. 25, 2020  11:01 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:57 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: I guess D4C was a bad example seeing as how the two dimensional systems are very different, but tusk act 4 definitely could since if his users nails hit him once then his atoms will spin forever and even if the user is killed the stand remains and since Ben can’t see stands he would ultimately lose (since he would think that the battle is over, and when he reverts tusk barrages Ben to death and it has an A in power, b in speed, and a in range).

Do I have to keep bringing up that the omnitrix will automatically turn him into a alien that he needs to survive when he gets attacked and alien x can control atoms because alien has been shown to touch someone and watch them disintegrate

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(Jul. 25, 2020  10:58 PM)UltimateMaster Wrote: Lol I totally forgot him. Also yeah, I think Kylo probably does live on in Rey as they are technically one in the force. Also the “Rey, I’ll always be with you” quote in the novelization.

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So there are certain force abilities that could, in fact, counter that.

And alien x can counter the force

(Jul. 25, 2020  11:03 PM)UltimateMaster Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  11:01 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote: Do I have to keep bringing up that the omnitrix will automatically turn him into a alien that he needs to survive when he gets attacked and alien x can control atoms because alien has been shown to touch someone and watch them disintegrate

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And alien x can counter the force

I don’t actually think that’s possible. The force isn’t technically a superpower.

(Jul. 25, 2020  11:01 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  10:57 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: I guess D4C was a bad example seeing as how the two dimensional systems are very different, but tusk act 4 definitely could since if his users nails hit him once then his atoms will spin forever and even if the user is killed the stand remains and since Ben can’t see stands he would ultimately lose (since he would think that the battle is over, and when he reverts tusk barrages Ben to death and it has an A in power, b in speed, and a in range).

Do I have to keep bringing up that the omnitrix will automatically turn him into a alien that he needs to survive when he gets attacked and alien x can control atoms because alien has been shown to touch someone and watch them disintegrate

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(Jul. 25, 2020  10:58 PM)UltimateMaster Wrote: Lol I totally forgot him. Also yeah, I think Kylo probably does live on in Rey as they are technically one in the force. Also the “Rey, I’ll always be with you” quote in the novelization.

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So there are certain force abilities that could, in fact, counter that.

And alien x can counter the force

(Jul. 25, 2020  11:04 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  11:03 PM)UltimateMaster Wrote: I don’t actually think that’s possible. The force isn’t technically a superpower.

And alien x can control all so I think he can control the force

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Also still alien x can blink and they would be gone forever like a thanos snap

(Jul. 25, 2020  11:08 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  11:01 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote: Do I have to keep bringing up that the omnitrix will automatically turn him into a alien that he needs to survive when he gets attacked and alien x can control atoms because alien has been shown to touch someone and watch them disintegrate

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And alien x can counter the force

Only Johnny’s nails can counter the force of the infinite rotation and his infinite rotation would make the watch spin along so he can’t switch aliens. Don’t believe me then look at the fandom article, look at the manga, also if he were to destroy the universe tusk would live on and kill Ben when he is just a human (yes deltazakuro stands are different in parts 7 and 8)

(Jul. 25, 2020  11:11 PM)UltimateMaster Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  11:04 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote: And alien x can control all so I think he can control the force

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Also still alien x can blink and they would be gone forever like a thanos snap

The force is a literal energy field. It’s not exactly something that is counter able like that.

(Jul. 25, 2020  11:17 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  11:08 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Only Johnny’s nails can counter the force of the infinite rotation and his infinite rotation would make the watch spin along so he can’t switch aliens. Don’t believe me then look at the fandom article, look at the manga, also if he were to destroy the universe tusk would live on and kill Ben when he is just a human (yes deltazakuro stands are different in parts 7 and 8)

Still the watch can not be removed from Bens arm because if it is it’ll make release a energy feedback that blasts people far away if the watch is getting forcefully or being cut off of bens arm and also can automatically turn Ben into a alien like if Johnny tries to do that he could turn into goop (a alien made of pure slime) or even diamond head

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(Jul. 25, 2020  11:11 PM)UltimateMaster Wrote: The force is a literal energy field. It’s not exactly something that is counter able like that.

Yes and we see Ben in ultimate alien using way big crossing his arms to shoot out cosmic blasts and harming a demon made of pure energy

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Also Ben has 2 aliens called nrg and atomix that control and shout out energy

(Jul. 25, 2020  11:21 PM)UltimateMaster Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  11:17 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote: Still the watch can not be removed from Bens arm because if it is it’ll make release a energy feedback that blasts people far away if the watch is getting forcefully or being cut off of bens arm and also can automatically turn Ben into a alien like if Johnny tries to do that he could turn into goop (a alien made of pure slime) or even diamond head

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Yes and we see Ben in ultimate alien using way big crossing his arms to shoot out cosmic blasts and harming a demon made of pure energy

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Also Ben has 2 aliens called nrg and atomix that control and shout out energy

It’s a bit more complicated then that, but, I’ll give a different suggestion.

Killua (Hunter X Hunter)
He’s literally able to remove people’s hearts and he has a bunch of really good fighting abilities.

(Jul. 25, 2020  11:25 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  11:21 PM)UltimateMaster Wrote: It’s a bit more complicated then that, but, I’ll give a different suggestion.

Killua (Hunter X Hunter)
He’s literally able to remove people’s hearts and he has a bunch of really good fighting abilities.

Omnitrix won’t let Ben die and if Killua does that the omnitrix will just turn him into a alien also it probably doesn’t mean a difference the omnitrix has its own sorta artificial intelligence

(Jul. 25, 2020  11:17 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote:

(Jul. 25, 2020  11:08 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Only Johnny’s nails can counter the force of the infinite rotation and his infinite rotation would make the watch spin along so he can’t switch aliens. Don’t believe me then look at the fandom article, look at the manga, also if he were to destroy the universe tusk would live on and kill Ben when he is just a human (yes deltazakuro stands are different in parts 7 and 8)

Still the watch can not be removed from Bens arm because if it is it’ll make release a energy feedback that blasts people far away if the watch is getting forcefully or being cut off of bens arm and also can automatically turn Ben into a alien like if Johnny tries to do that he could turn into goop (a alien made of pure slime) or even diamond head

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(Jul. 25, 2020  11:11 PM)UltimateMaster Wrote: The force is a literal energy field. It’s not exactly something that is counter able like that.

Yes and we see Ben in ultimate alien using way big crossing his arms to shoot out cosmic blasts and harming a demon made of pure energy. Also Ben has 2 aliens called nrg and atomix that can control and shoot out energy 

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