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RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Half Nail - Jun. 09, 2011
D125 I think will not be so good, but go ahead and try it!
I lost my FS and don't have SF, but you can test that too! With summer coming up, I can test ALOT more now.
RE: MF Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Arupaeo - Jun. 09, 2011
(Jun. 05, 2011 8:07 PM)Ink. Wrote: Okay, I really want some 230 tests done. I also want to try TH170. C'mon guys, help me out! : P
Here's some 230 testing
My equipment/setup:
TT Attack Stadium
3 segment grip (black)
string launcher (red)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 230CS vs. MF Basalt Cancer 85B
Alternating shots
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 230CS 20/20 (20 OS, 0 KO)
MF Basalt Cancer 85B 0/20 (0 OS, 0 KO)
Basalt Cancer wins 0%
230 appears to be dominant.
RE: MF Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Half Nail - Jun. 09, 2011
(Jun. 09, 2011 10:40 PM)Arupaeo Wrote:(Jun. 05, 2011 8:07 PM)Ink. Wrote: Okay, I really want some 230 tests done. I also want to try TH170. C'mon guys, help me out! : P
Here's some 230 testing
My equipment/setup:
TT Attack Stadium
3 segment grip (black)
string launcher (red)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 230CS vs. MF Basalt Cancer 85B
Alternating shots
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 230CS 20/20 (20 OS, 0 KO)
MF Basalt Cancer 85B 0/20 (0 OS, 0 KO)
Basalt Cancer wins 0%
230 appears to be dominant.
Could you also try 230 with WD?
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Mr. N - Jun. 09, 2011
D is better on 230 though.
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Ga' - Jun. 09, 2011
I believe 230 does better with D rather than WD. It has been shown numerous times. However, I don't have 2 Basalts, but I think 230 tests with D would be better.
EDIT: Beaten... You have got to be kidding me...
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Dan - Jun. 09, 2011
(Jun. 09, 2011 11:26 PM)GaHooleone Wrote: I believe 230 does better with SD/D rather than WD. It has been shown numerous times. However, I don't have 2 Basalts, but I think 230 tests with D/SD would be better.
EDIT: Beaten... You have got to be kidding me...
What the hell?
Where is this coming from? :V
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Ga' - Jun. 09, 2011
(Jun. 09, 2011 11:27 PM)Dan Wrote:(Jun. 09, 2011 11:26 PM)GaHooleone Wrote: I believe 230 does better with SD/D rather than WD. It has been shown numerous times. However, I don't have 2 Basalts, but I think 230 tests with D/SD would be better.
EDIT: Beaten... You have got to be kidding me...
What the hell?
Where is this coming from? :V
Quoted from a thread called 'Basalt Gasher 230D':
(Mar. 05, 2011 12:02 PM)ControL_ Wrote: Thank you The Tester for confirming these results for me - As you can see, D has small problems in stability but in OSing it is near-superior to CS. We shouldn't look at 230WD, the outcome is so similar every time, as soon as the sliding begins, the bey will drop in a matter of seconds.
Also, SD simple fails, not enough surface area to keep the Bey up although the low friction.
I will do some tests.
ED: As you know, this goes very far in tournaments - I'll do another vid for these results.
ED2: The 230 region of good bottoms becomes very narrow; CS and D are so similar when not headtohead simply because they react best with all these under230 traditional stamina. With a nice tilted launch D is incredible for KOing; and exactly the same with a sliding shoot on CS. Basalts high collision is a great upside imo.
No, Hell should have done worse if you correctly launched it. 1v1 testing can lie. - For hells sake, you would have gotten slightly better results with Hell on a MF-H also.
RE: MF Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Arupaeo - Jun. 10, 2011
(Jun. 09, 2011 10:45 PM)Ink. Wrote: Could you also try 230 with WD?
Sure thing. I will try with WD and with D. My assumption is that the results will be the same, as in this matchup the limiting factor is likely the difference in height between 230 and 85.
RE: MF Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Half Nail - Jun. 10, 2011
(Jun. 10, 2011 2:08 PM)Arupaeo Wrote:(Jun. 09, 2011 10:45 PM)Ink. Wrote: Could you also try 230 with WD?
Sure thing. I will try with WD and with D. My assumption is that the results will be the same, as in this matchup the limiting factor is likely the difference in height between 230 and 85.
Well, Basalt still has alot of force in it's hands, and WD and D have less grip than CS, but hey, can't knock it until you try it.
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - RustyXD - Jun. 11, 2011
Hey do you want me to experiment with FS and SF and see if it gets better results??
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - BeybladerPotter - Jun. 11, 2011
(Jun. 11, 2011 11:14 AM)RustyXD Wrote: Hey do you want me to experiment with FS and SF and see if it gets better results??I just did and here are the results:
10 tests are done. Tests are done in the TT Balance.
MF Basalt Cancer D125FS vs. MF-H Hell Kerbecs BD145CS (Boost)
Basalt is shot first.
Basalt's win rate: 20% (2 KO's)
Hell's win rate: 80% (4 OS, 4 KO's)
I'll do more tests later. I have a lot of things to test...As in a LOT.
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Callum6939 - Jun. 13, 2011
just a concern, these are both the same tests, but exactly the opposite results, i don't think a clear wheel would effect the result to switch
(Jun. 04, 2011 5:39 AM)Ink. Wrote: MF Basalt Bull 85B vs Hell Kerbecs BD145 (Boost Mode) WD
MF Basalt Bull 85B: 20%
Hell Kerbecs BD145WD: 80%
MF Basalt Cancer 85B vs Hell Kerbecs BD145 (Boost Mode) WD
MF Basalt Cancer 85B: 80%
Hell Kerbecs BD145WD: 20%
-Ink.
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Higashi - Jun. 13, 2011
Perhaps someone could atempt to test other clear wheels that are considered to be heavy and good, such as the Orso wheel or the Aquario wheel. i.e. MF Basalt Aquario/Orso DF145/AD145 D/SF
(In truth this is just to find out what I should buy)
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Callum6939 - Jun. 13, 2011
(Jun. 13, 2011 10:08 PM)Higashi Wrote: Perhaps someone could atempt to test other clear wheels that are considered to be heavy and good, such as the Orso wheel or the Aquario wheel. i.e. MF Basalt Aquario/Orso DF145/AD145 D/SF
(In truth this is just to find out what I should buy)
i believe testing it with the following is the best choices Kerbecs, Bull, Aquario, Gasher, as their the heaviest, and best for defense
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - ControL_ - Jun. 13, 2011
Yo quickly tested this combo, as assumed 230 can still OS this relatively easily on both 230CS and D.
I will say this over and over if it isn't making sense.
230WD is just not good. 230WD is horrible in fact, if your opponent is so low that there is no contact between metal of 230 and 85, D is a very good choice. If your opponent is say BD145/S130, it is wise to use 230CS. However whilst I say this, both 230CS and 230D both OS 85 by a huge margin, 230D by a larger margin than CS. CS can easily OS 85, but at a lesser extent.
D is by a long mile much better than WD on 230, I can go into detail but I have video evidence as in my videos and a thread or two. Some might say WD on 230 will have a use - Everything might, 230WD doesn't look like it if you were to ask any 230 experienced bladers.
D>CS on 230 for OS. However choosing between these two is unsettling, 230CS>230D in that 230CS covers a wider variety of non-230 tracked beys. 230D however can OS 230CS, a relatively reliable option.
Anyways D/CS malarkey isn't important, this information only comes into play when either/both are being unsettled, however my results show that both 230CS/D stand quite firm.
@Ink 230WD is such a failure that Dark 85WD was able to cause the increase of friction:sliding of WD leading Dark to win.
Arupaeo has the same results as me.
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Half Nail - Jun. 13, 2011
Sorry Control, I messed up when I said WD and never bothered to change it. So Hell with BD145 and 230 are this combos weaknesses. Thanks guys!
callum Yeah, the results are opposite, but with the Bull tests, I banked Kerbecs.
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - ControL_ - Jun. 13, 2011
those two variants tend to be the dominant on all traditional low track stamina. In fact can classic earth 85wd also do the job? Stability and lower collision is particles.
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Chups - Jun. 14, 2011
Im home sick today.
What tests with 230 would you like? I have 2 Basalt's and 2 230's that I can use (1 230 and 1 Basalt is my Bro's).
MF-H Basalt Aquario 230CS, MF-H Hell Kerbecs 230CS?
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Half Nail - Jun. 14, 2011
(Jun. 14, 2011 12:18 AM)Chups Wrote: Im home sick today.
What tests with 230 would you like? I have 2 Basalt's and 2 230's that I can use (1 230 and 1 Basalt is my Bro's).
MF-H Basalt Aquario 230CS, MF-H Hell Kerbecs 230CS?
Both the ones you listed and MF-H Basalt Bull 230D.
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Callum6939 - Jun. 14, 2011
I would use aquario with the 230 D ink, as it also gives you accurate comparative resuts with the change of a tip
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Half Nail - Jun. 14, 2011
(Jun. 14, 2011 12:53 AM)Callum6939 Wrote: I would use aquario with the 230 D ink, as it also gives you accurate comparative resuts with the change of a tip
Okay then, do Aquario.
Also, I would like everyone's opinion on this combo as a whole, besides it's obvious flaws (230 and BD145).
I'll also do some comparitive tests with Killer and Flame.
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull/Aquario 85B - Chups - Jun. 14, 2011
MF Basalt Aquario 85B v MF-H Basalt Aquario 230CS
85B - 3 (3 OS). 230CS - 17 (1 KO 16 OS)
Win Percentage - 15%.
MF Basalt Aquario 85B v MF-H Basalt Aquario 230D
85B - 8(8 OS). 230D - 12 (12 OS)
Win Percentage - 40%
MF Basalt Aquario 85B v MF-H Hell Kerbecs 230CS
85B - 3 (3 OS) HK - 17 (3 KO 14 OS)
I used MF over MF-H on the Combo for Stamina purposes which were necessary for these Battles. Aquario because I find it better.
Extremely Bad. It just sits at the Bottom failing to Destabilise and eventually gets OS'd.
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Kei - Jun. 14, 2011
(Jun. 13, 2011 10:41 PM)ControL_ Wrote: 230WD is just not good.
Just dropping in here to agree with this. I haven't used 230WD for a while now after having tested 230D. The height of 230 plus the sliding WD is known for just isn't a smart choice.
As for this custom, I believe using CS would be a better choice.
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull/Aquario 85B - Chups - Jun. 14, 2011
I agree. I used it once at day fo beys in Melbourne and won with it. But I thought I had used D...xD
I dont know if it is just my B but it doesn't get any Movement. AT ALL.
RE: MF/MF-H Basalt Cancer/Bull 85B - Half Nail - Jun. 14, 2011
(Jun. 14, 2011 4:05 AM)Kei Wrote:(Jun. 13, 2011 10:41 PM)ControL_ Wrote: 230WD is just not good.
Just dropping in here to agree with this. I haven't used 230WD for a while now after having tested 230D. The height of 230 plus the sliding WD is known for just isn't a smart choice.
As for this custom, I believe using CS would be a better choice.
I will test with CS then.