(Sep. 25, 2020  7:58 PM)LOL-y Rancher Wrote:

(Sep. 25, 2020  7:35 PM)NobodyBlader Wrote: Delta felt like Shu/Red Eye 2.0, I think someone with Valt's personality yielding Spriggan would be cool to see. But I just don't see anyone else owning Spriggan, while I dislike Shu but love Red Eye, he had pretty good character development in s1 and God and Him and Spriggan go well together

For some reason, back when Gachi was still the current season and back when Lord Spriggan was the latest Spriggan, I remembered theorising that maybe the bladers who wields Spriggan instead of Shu would either be Souta, Daina's brother (and yeah, I know his name in the dub was Ryota but I'm using his original name) or Shasa.

Souta, because the first season had him look up to Shu and being really amazed with Storm Spriggan when Shu visited him in hospital. Shasa, because her launching sequence was really similar to Shu's and when Kit returned in Cho-Z, I thought she would return in Gachi.

Obviously, this didn't happen but it would've been an interesting twist if they did do it.

(Sep. 25, 2020  5:20 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: I have a few questions in mind if u can answer it please do.
Ryuga vrs. Dynamis
Damian vrs Doji
Damian and jack vrs Ryuga

(Sep. 26, 2020  11:29 PM)SunBlader98 Wrote: Who's The Champion?

(Sep. 27, 2020  3:39 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: Does anyone have an idea on why Ryuga didn't absorb/steal other's special moves when he stole their power? Because if he can steal all the power of other's Beyblades he should be able to steal and use their special moves too.

(Sep. 27, 2020  12:18 AM)XSabxManiacX Wrote: Idk what is going on but SunBlader98, the image doesnt seem to work

(Sep. 27, 2020  7:50 PM)XSabxManiacX Wrote:

(Sep. 27, 2020  3:39 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: Does anyone have an idea on why Ryuga didn't absorb/steal other's special moves when he stole their power? Because if he can steal all the power of other's Beyblades he should be able to steal and use their special moves too.

Although Im more of the “audience” and bystander myself, rather than a Blader, Ill provide an answer to the best of my ability (keep in mind that there are factors, such as Beyblade being fictional so logic irl probably wouldnt work the same as in the anime)


I think its just that, special moves are something to perfect and theyre one’s own skills. Its something a Blader makes on their own. One character might be used to using their special move, but even as another person becomes powerful, it might be harder to master someone else’s trait and techniques. Think of how two people may have the same level of intelligence, but one is better at performing on-hand tasks than the other. You may be all powerful or smart, but youll find that its hard to perform something as good as another person. Power =/= skill

Im not even sure if that makes sense. I hope someone else explains it in a better way + with a better reason.

(Sep. 27, 2020  8:24 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote:

(Sep. 27, 2020  7:50 PM)XSabxManiacX Wrote: Although Im more of the “audience” and bystander myself, rather than a Blader, Ill provide an answer to the best of my ability (keep in mind that there are factors, such as Beyblade being fictional so logic irl probably wouldnt work the same as in the anime)


I think its just that, special moves are something to perfect and theyre one’s own skills. Its something a Blader makes on their own. One character might be used to using their special move, but even as another person becomes powerful, it might be harder to master someone else’s trait and techniques. Think of how two people may have the same level of intelligence, but one is better at performing on-hand tasks than the other. You may be all powerful or smart, but youll find that its hard to perform something as good as another person. Power =/= skill

Im not even sure if that makes sense. I hope someone else explains it in a better way + with a better reason.

But Rago and Kira (If i am not wrong) stole other's special moves.

(Sep. 27, 2020  8:24 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: But Rago and Kira (If i am not wrong) stole other's special moves.

(Sep. 27, 2020  8:29 PM)XSabxManiacX Wrote: Hmm not too sure. As my explanation implied, it could vary among person to person and what type of Blader someone might be. It could be some supernatural explanation too. Overall it could be up for speculation and Im down to see someone else’s take on this

(Sep. 27, 2020  9:02 PM)LOL-y Rancher Wrote:

(Sep. 27, 2020  8:29 PM)XSabxManiacX Wrote: Hmm not too sure. As my explanation implied, it could vary among person to person and what type of Blader someone might be. It could be some supernatural explanation too. Overall it could be up for speculation and Im down to see someone else’s take on this

Then allow me to explain. The bladers having powers and having special moves are two different things. The power of the beys can be stolen, but not how the bladers use them.

It's true that bladers need to have power in order to perform their special moves, but I've always assumed that the special moves are something individual bladers perfect on their own, using their own skills. In other words, special moves are not the power but rather how individual bladers use their own powers, hence why Ryuga cannot just steal them.

(Sep. 27, 2020  9:02 PM)LOL-y Rancher Wrote:

(Sep. 27, 2020  8:24 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: But Rago and Kira (If i am not wrong) stole other's special moves.

Now if I'm not mistaken, neither Rago nor Kira stole anyone's special moves.

Rago imitated the Legendary Bladers' power, but not their moves. As an ultimate Balance Type who has the ability to multiple modes, he can imitate the style the beys power but not how the bladers fight, if you get what I'm saying.

Kira stole the Pegasis Chrome/Warrior Wheel in Zero-G, but he didn't steal Gingka's special moves either, just his power. It's basically the equivalent to a rookie race car driver who steals a good car from a talented driver. They have the nice car, but not the skills of the talented driver to use it.

There's a difference between the bladers' power and the bladers skill. Both the aforementioned bladers have the bladers' stolen powers, but they didn't steal how the bladers use the powers (aka, the special moves).

(Sep. 27, 2020  8:29 PM)XSabxManiacX Wrote: Hmm not too sure. As my explanation implied, it could vary among person to person and what type of Blader someone might be. It could be some supernatural explanation too. Overall it could be up for speculation and Im down to see someone else’s take on this

Then allow me to explain. The bladers having powers and having special moves are two different things. The power of the beys can be stolen, but not how the bladers use them.

It's true that bladers need to have power in order to perform their special moves, but I've always assumed that the special moves are something individual bladers perfect on their own, using their own skills. In other words, special moves are not the power but rather how individual bladers use their own powers, hence why Ryuga cannot just steal them.

(Sep. 25, 2020  8:59 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote:

(Sep. 25, 2020  5:20 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: I have a few questions in mind if u can answer it please do.
Ryuga vrs. Dynamis
Damian vrs Doji
Damian and jack vrs Ryuga

These have been asked, but i still agree because Doji defeated Kyoya easily and Kyoya defeated Damian, so it is a possibility that Doji would defeat Damian. Although, i don't think such a battle would ever happen because they would be on the same team on the side of evil.


Ryuga vs Dynamis would propably be close, but Ryuga would steal all the power of Dynamis away and possibly even his special moves since he would get his star fragment if he stole his power.

Ryuga vs Damian and Jack, i still think Ryuga because he would steal their powers although it may be harder with them as their beys are made specifically to avoid power stealing. Jack has those vacuum cutters and Damian has a boost mode and normal mode. In order for Ryuga to be able to spin steal from him, Hades Kerbecs would have to be in boost mode otherwise spin stealing would be impossible so this is a hard one.

Here are some other questions:
Ryuga vs Damian after Ryuga had got rid of his dark power and before becoming a legendary blader (Remember, in order to spin steal Hades Kerbecs would have to be in boost mode, or at least that's what i think)
Kyoya vs Julian
Gingka vs Tithi
Sakyo vs Damian
Pluto vs Ryuga
Zyro vs Damian
Reiji vs Damian
Reiji vs Ryuga

(Sep. 27, 2020  10:08 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote:

(Sep. 27, 2020  9:02 PM)LOL-y Rancher Wrote: Now if I'm not mistaken, neither Rago nor Kira stole anyone's special moves.

Rago imitated the Legendary Bladers' power, but not their moves. As an ultimate Balance Type who has the ability to multiple modes, he can imitate the style the beys power but not how the bladers fight, if you get what I'm saying.

Kira stole the Pegasis Chrome/Warrior Wheel in Zero-G, but he didn't steal Gingka's special moves either, just his power. It's basically the equivalent to a rookie race car driver who steals a good car from a talented driver. They have the nice car, but not the skills of the talented driver to use it.

There's a difference between the bladers' power and the bladers skill. Both the aforementioned bladers have the bladers' stolen powers, but they didn't steal how the bladers use the powers (aka, the special moves).


Then allow me to explain. The bladers having powers and having special moves are two different things. The power of the beys can be stolen, but not how the bladers use them.

It's true that bladers need to have power in order to perform their special moves, but I've always assumed that the special moves are something individual bladers perfect on their own, using their own skills. In other words, special moves are not the power but rather how individual bladers use their own powers, hence why Ryuga cannot just steal them.

Are you saying that beasts are not special moves? Because Rago stole and even used all the beasts of the legendary bladers.

(Sep. 27, 2020  10:34 PM)LOL-y Rancher Wrote:

(Sep. 27, 2020  10:08 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: Are you saying that beasts are not special moves? Because Rago stole and even used all the beasts of the legendary bladers.

No, the beasts/spirits/avatar are not the special moves. They serve as metaphorical representations of the battles in MFB, much like how Burst does it, though there are rare occasions where the beasts are apparently "real". The point is, no they are not the special moves.

(Sep. 27, 2020  10:32 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote:

(Sep. 25, 2020  8:59 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: These have been asked, but i still agree because Doji defeated Kyoya easily and Kyoya defeated Damian, so it is a possibility that Doji would defeat Damian. Although, i don't think such a battle would ever happen because they would be on the same team on the side of evil.


Ryuga vs Dynamis would propably be close, but Ryuga would steal all the power of Dynamis away and possibly even his special moves since he would get his star fragment if he stole his power.

Ryuga vs Damian and Jack, i still think Ryuga because he would steal their powers although it may be harder with them as their beys are made specifically to avoid power stealing. Jack has those vacuum cutters and Damian has a boost mode and normal mode. In order for Ryuga to be able to spin steal from him, Hades Kerbecs would have to be in boost mode otherwise spin stealing would be impossible so this is a hard one.

Here are some other questions:
Ryuga vs Damian after Ryuga had got rid of his dark power and before becoming a legendary blader (Remember, in order to spin steal Hades Kerbecs would have to be in boost mode, or at least that's what i think)
Kyoya vs Julian
Gingka vs Tithi
Sakyo vs Damian
Pluto vs Ryuga
Zyro vs Damian
Reiji vs Damian
Reiji vs Ryuga

1. Ryuga because ryuga could destroy the power of Spiral Force special move  and ziggeraut said that the bey was the strongest bey ever created at that time. so I think it would be Ryuga
2. Kyoya, kyoya beat damian and damian thrashed julian so I think Kyoya would win
3. Gingka.... when all the legendary bladers beyblades stoppped spinning because of nemeis power, pegasus was still spinning
4. Sakyo.......Sakyo is the descendant of Ryuga and probably taught by him
5. Ryuga
6.  I would say Zryo because he has a "good beyblade bey spirit"
7. Reji
8. Ryuga

(Sep. 27, 2020  10:45 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote:

(Sep. 27, 2020  10:32 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: 1. Ryuga because ryuga could destroy the power of Spiral Force special move  and ziggeraut said that the bey was the strongest bey ever created at that time. so I think it would be Ryuga
2. Kyoya, kyoya beat damian and damian thrashed julian so I think Kyoya would win
3. Gingka.... when all the legendary bladers beyblades stoppped spinning because of nemeis power, pegasus was still spinning
4. Sakyo.......Sakyo is the descendant of Ryuga and probably taught by him
5. Ryuga
6.  I would say Zryo because he has a "good beyblade bey spirit"
7. Reji
8. Ryuga

I partially agree, although you can't tell for sure that Kyoya would win just because he won against Damian. Even Gingka won against Damian but still lost against Julian. Heck, I am not even sure if Ryuga could win against Julian because Julian has a reverse-rotation bey, medusa's eyes and black excalibur, something that's not to be taken lightly. Even in Beywheelz, where Jin Ryu is the counterpart of Ryuga lost to Odin and Odin lost badly to Ryan (Ryan is the Beywheelz counterpart of Damian), but still Sho and Jin both defeated Ryan if i remember correctly. Sorry if there is some wrong information here, but it was a long ago since i watched beywheelz but the outcomes are the same between the counterparts. Basically, Sho defeated Ryan just like Gingka defeated Damian and Jin Ryu defeated Leon Fierce just like Ryuga defeated Kyoya so i don't think that the outcome changes. But back to topic, i think that Kyoya vs Julian is a hard one.

(Sep. 27, 2020  11:23 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote:

(Sep. 27, 2020  10:45 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: I partially agree, although you can't tell for sure that Kyoya would win just because he won against Damian. Even Gingka won against Damian but still lost against Julian. Heck, I am not even sure if Ryuga could win against Julian because Julian has a reverse-rotation bey, medusa's eyes and black excalibur, something that's not to be taken lightly. Even in Beywheelz, where Jin Ryu is the counterpart of Ryuga lost to Odin and Odin lost badly to Ryan (Ryan is the Beywheelz counterpart of Damian), but still Sho and Jin both defeated Ryan if i remember correctly. Sorry if there is some wrong information here, but it was a long ago since i watched beywheelz but the outcomes are the same between the counterparts. Basically, Sho defeated Ryan just like Gingka defeated Damian and Jin Ryu defeated Leon Fierce just like Ryuga defeated Kyoya so i don't think that the outcome changes. But back to topic, i think that Kyoya vs Julian is a hard one.

I disagree because Ryuga had the power of a star fragment and he completely mastered it..... Kyoya would deifnetly defeat JUlian because of power leevels

(Sep. 27, 2020  11:34 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote:

(Sep. 27, 2020  11:23 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: I disagree because Ryuga had the power of a star fragment and he completely mastered it..... Kyoya would deifnetly defeat JUlian because of power leevels

I was talking about Ryuga in Metal Masters obviously. When he was a legendary blader neither Julian or Damian would have a chance. About Kyoya, he is powerful. I just wonder how he would defeat Medusa and Black Excalibur.

(Sep. 25, 2020  8:59 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote:

(Sep. 25, 2020  5:20 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: I have a few questions in mind if u can answer it please do.
Ryuga vrs. Dynamis
Damian vrs Doji
Damian and jack vrs Ryuga

These have been asked, but i still agree because Doji defeated Kyoya easily and Kyoya defeated Damian, so it is a possibility that Doji would defeat Damian. Although, i don't think such a battle would ever happen because they would be on the same team on the side of evil.

(Sep. 28, 2020  8:04 AM)Jinbee Wrote:

(Sep. 25, 2020  8:59 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: These have been asked, but i still agree because Doji defeated Kyoya easily and Kyoya defeated Damian, so it is a possibility that Doji would defeat Damian. Although, i don't think such a battle would ever happen because they would be on the same team on the side of evil.

Personally, I disagree. Yeah Doji did beat Kyoya and Kyoya beat Damian, but you have to take into account that Doji fought against a very early and basic Kyoya, and the second time was when Kyoya was already weakened anyway. Damian fought a very well trained and seasoned Kyoya who was capable of drawing against Galaxy Pegasis.

Now, it is possible that if Doji did somehow survive into Metal Masters, he could've trained and gotten even stronger, but I'm just basing this match up on what we actually see in both Doji and Damian, and I think Damian's feats are just more impressive.

Beyblade, even the anime isn't necessarily always "If A > B, and B > C, then A > C", sometimes it is, but there are exceptions.