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RE: LDrago Destroy 100SD - Doesn't Matter - Jun. 05, 2011
(Jun. 05, 2011 2:22 AM)Mc Frown Wrote: I don't get why people assume that because WD rocks the taller tracks SD is better for short. Isn't WD better for both?
WD might make short beys wobble too much, causing them to floor scrape.
RE: LDrago Destroy 100SD - xXKaiouyaXx - Jun. 05, 2011
You should try this on W2D. I've done some minor tests, against Earth Bull 100D, with WD vs. W2D on Meteo L drago 100___ and W2D seems to maximize it's spin-stealing/equalizing potential. It might do the same with this combo. E.G.
Meteo L drago 100WD vs. Earth Bull 100D
Meteo wins: 7 (70% win rate)
Earth wins: 3 (30% win rate)
Meteo L drago 100W2D vs. Earth Bull 100D
Meteo wins: 8 (80% win rate)
Earth wins: 2 (20% win rate)
Not too much of an improvement, but I'd take 80% over 70% any day. +10% or more on top of your current results against Hell Kerbecs BD145WD could boost L drago Destroys popularity to OVER 900.0!!! views.
Edit: I forgot to test Meteo L drago 100SD to compare..... If you want SD results to compare I can get them up tomorrow.
RE: LDrago Destroy 100SD - BeybladerPotter - Jun. 05, 2011
(Jun. 05, 2011 6:08 AM)xXKaiouyaXx Wrote: You should try this on W2D. I've done some minor tests, against Earth Bull 100D, with WD vs. W2D on Meteo L drago 100___ and W2D seems to maximize it's spin-stealing/equalizing potential. It might do the same with this combo. E.G.Sorry but sadly, I don't have W2D.
Meteo L drago 100WD vs. Earth Bull 100D
Meteo wins: 7 (70% win rate)
Earth wins: 3 (30% win rate)
Meteo L drago 100W2D vs. Earth Bull 100D
Meteo wins: 8 (80% win rate)
Earth wins: 2 (20% win rate)
Not too much of an improvement, but I'd take 80% over 70% any day. +10% or more on top of your current results against Hell Kerbecs BD145WD could boost L drago Destroys popularity to OVER 900.0!!! views.
Edit: I forgot to test Meteo L drago 100SD to compare..... If you want SD results to compare I can get them up tomorrow.
RE: LDrago Destroy 100SD - BeybladerPotter - Jun. 05, 2011
Sorry for the double post but here are some more results:
LDD 100SD (Absorb Mode) vs. Basalt Kerbecs AD145WD
LDD's win rate: 55% (11 OS, 6 Draws)
Basalt's win rate: 45% (2 KO's , 7 OS, 6 Draws)
LDD 100SD (Absorb Mode) vs. MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 230CS
LDD's win rate: 15% (3 OS)
Basalt's win rate: 85% (17 OS)
So yeah, this fails to 230. I'm gonna test against MF-H Hell Kerbecs BD145CS, MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS, More Stamina Types and Attack Types.
RE: LDrago Destroy 100SD - PlayMadeSimple - Jun. 05, 2011
Some quick thoughts on this, forgive me if it's already been said, it is 1 AM here...
If I remember correctly, WD was better on LTSCs, because the wheel has less space to wobble and therefore, not as much friction would be created, and then again, at 145 height or above, using a WD was dangerous, because it would rotate too far and the outer rim would come into contact with the floor, making the HTSC essentially useless towards the end of the match. That is why we use D, because it is more stable, will wobble to the same angle and there will be less friciton. Just my 2 cents
RE: LDrago Destroy 100SD - ControL_ - Jun. 05, 2011
(Jun. 05, 2011 1:09 AM)Dan Wrote: [Image: Slowpoke-1.gif]MF-H Basalt 230CS/D should be considered stamina yet BD145's lowering centre of gravity factor is useless?
Hell Kerbecs BD145WD kills all height stamina types, thanks to BoostDisc145.
It's quite standard for this to beat low heigh traditional stamina, they are currently losing to all modern day combos.
230s is definitely the answer to beating all low track spin stealers, only MLD WD/AD145WD has seen to counter 230 modern stamina. Just because of the downwards force of motion 230 pushes down on the rubber on MLD when the plastic (shape too) makes contact.
The MLD WD/AD145WD can consistantly OS 230.
@Doesn't Matter
Unfortunately you are incorrect. Your logic is half right but the downsides are overpowering.
Yes 230WD rarely falls over as much, but that means more of the surface area is used, more friction is made.
230WD is famous for failing due to sliding, when slightly off-balance, the usual lowtrack outer areas reaching out to the circumferance react and "stabalise". On 230, the lacking of a low centre of gravity means sliding, creation of friction similar to that of XF and angular vecloty is lost dramatically.
RE: LDrago Destroy 100SD - BeybladerPotter - Jun. 06, 2011
More tests:
MF-H Gravity Perseus BD145CS (Left Spin, Defense Mode) vs. LDD 100SD (Absorb Mode)
Gravity's win rate: 65% (13 OS)
LDD's win rate: 35% (7 OS)
Close calls. Every OS was won by split seconds.
MF-H Hell Kerbecs BD145CS (Boost Mode) vs. LDD 100SD (Absorb Mode)
LDD's win rate: 95% (1 KO, 18 OS)
Kerbecs' win rate: 5% (1 KO)
That 1 KO up there is probably because of Hell's recoi-....oh wait.
EDIT: I'm gonna run tests on 100WD and AD145WD. I already asked Uwik about this. Still, I'm gonna test. Also against MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS. People who have RS, please test that against this.
RE: LDrago Destroy 100SD - Uwik - Jun. 06, 2011
I'll do some comparative tests later tonight. I'm @ work now.
Please state the combos you wanna test it against.
RE: LDrago Destroy 100SD - BeybladerPotter - Jun. 06, 2011
Okay. I'll PM you.
RE: LDrago Destroy 100SD - Uwik - Jun. 06, 2011
LDrago Destroy 100 SD (Requested)
LDrago Destroy 100 WD (Requested)
LDrago Destroy AD145 WD (Requested)
VS
Hell Kerbecs BD145 (boost) WD
MF-H Basalt Bull R145 WD
MF-H Basalt Bull R145 RS
MF Libra 100 WD
Good enough? This should take up enough time already.
RE: LDrago Destroy 100SD - lord Wolfblade - Jun. 06, 2011
(Jun. 05, 2011 2:22 AM)Mc Frown Wrote: I don't get why people assume that because WD rocks the taller tracks SD is better for short. Isn't WD better for both?
i agree, i even had tests given to me showing that WD is better then SD on both (i do not have the tests anymore as that was a long time ago)
(Jun. 05, 2011 4:13 AM)Doesnt Matter Wrote: WD might make short beys wobble too much, causing them to floor scrape.
i have tested low height stamina combos allot before, not once has my WD scrapped (unless i super banked it), instead it seems to do a life after death effect when it reaches low velocity
SD on the other had, scrapes at low velocity
my two cents
interesting combo
RE: LDrago Destroy 100SD - BeybladerPotter - Jun. 06, 2011
(Jun. 06, 2011 5:07 AM)Uwik Wrote: LDrago Destroy 100 SD (Requested)This should be okay. Thanks in advance Uwik!
LDrago Destroy 100 WD (Requested)
LDrago Destroy AD145 WD (Requested)
VS
Hell Kerbecs BD145 (boost) WD
MF-H Basalt Bull R145 WD
MF-H Basalt Bull R145 RS
MF Libra 100 WD
Good enough? This should take up enough time already.
RE: LDrago Destroy 100SD - Uwik - Jun. 06, 2011
Ok, as requested,
Condition: TT Attack Stadium, Beylauncher L, Beylauncher R, Mint parts.
20 Rounds, Alternate Shots. LDD was alternately banked and straight shot. Opposing beys are straight shot.
LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) 100 SD vs Hell Kerbecs BD145 (Boost) WD
LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) 100 SD : 5% (1 KO)
Hell Kerbecs BD145 (Boost) WD : 95% (3 KO + 16 OS)
LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) 100 WD vs Hell Kerbecs BD145 (Boost) WD
LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) 100 WD : 10% (2 KO)
Hell Kerbecs BD145 (Boost) WD : 90% (1 KO + 17 OS)
LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) AD145 WD vs Hell Kerbecs BD145 (Boost) WD
LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) AD145 WD : 0%
Hell Kerbecs BD145 (Boost) WD : 100% (2 KO + 18 OS)
LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) 100 SD vs MF-H Basalt Bull R145 WD
LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) 100 SD : 0%
MF-H Basalt Bull R145 WD : 100% (1 KO + 19 OS)
LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) 100 WD vs MF-H Basalt Bull R145 WD
LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) 100 WD : 5% (1 KO)
MF-H Basalt Bull R145 WD : 95% (1 KO + 18 OS)
LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) AD145 WD vs MF-H Basalt Bull R145 WD
LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) AD145 WD : 0%
MF-H Basalt Bull R145 WD : 100% (2 KO + 18 OS)
LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) 100 SD vs MF-H Basalt Bull R145 RS
LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) 100 SD : 100% (20 OS)
MF-H Basalt Bull R145 RS : 0%
LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) 100 WD vs MF-H Basalt Bull R145 RS
LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) 100 WD : 100% (20 OS)
MF-H Basalt Bull R145 RS : 0%
LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) AD145 WD vs MF-H Basalt Bull R145 RS
LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) AD145 WD : 100% (20 OS)
MF-H Basalt Bull R145 RS : 0%
I didn't do the Libra request.
Observation:
1. Against BD145, at 100 height, LDrago metal wheel did all the hitting against the BD145's plastic. At 145 height, the Destroy core 'sometime' hit the opposing bey, but still most of the time was the LDrago metal wheel. It was outspinned by a long while.
2. Against Basalt + WD, it was purely Basalt against the LDrago metal wheel, with occasional hit from the Destroy core. It was also consistently outspinned by a long while.
3. Against Basalt + RS as a defense. LDrago Destroy didn't have the slightest chance of KO-ing it, but it managed to outspinned it constantly.
Summary:
This was definitely one of the longest tests I'd done. Timewise and interest-wise. LDrago Destroy on low-mid height is completely outclassed as a stamina type. It however can survive long enough against some defense combos.
After scrutinizing the battles, imo, LDrago metal wheel is simply not capable of spin-stealing enough to be considered as a spin-stealer / equalizer type. The Destroy core, however, was definitely spin-stealing when exposed to the opposing bey.
Overall, LDrago Destroy on low-mid height with a stamina bottom is just not a good combination. I would personally classify it as a low to mediocre stamina type combo.
However, don't despair quite yet. I ran 1 test with a high track, and it looked promising, mostly due to the exposure of the Destroy core to the opposing bey.
MF-M LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) TH170 (220) WD vs MF-H Basalt Bull 230 CS
MF-M LDrago Destroy (Absorb mode) TH170 (220) WD : 75% (13 OS + 2 KO)
MF-H Basalt Bull 230 CS : 25% (5 KO)
Hope this hours and hours of tests helped a bit. I'm gonna get some rest now.
RE: LDrago Destroy 100SD - BeybladerPotter - Jun. 06, 2011
Sorry for the double post but here are some more results:
LDD 100SD (Absorb Mode) vs. Earth Aquario AD145WD
LDD's win rate: 50% (3 OS, 7 KO's, 4 Draws)
Earth's win rate: 50% (8 OS, 2 KO's, 4 Draws)
Alternating shots are done in this round.
LDD 100SD vs. MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
LDD's win rate: 100% (20 OS, 2 Draws)
Basalt's win rate: 0% (2 Draws)
LDD was always shot first in this round. Here, LDD was hitting BD145 rapidly. It rarely even hits Basalt.
RE: LDrago Destroy 100SD - BeybladeStation - Jun. 06, 2011
Wow, these results are quite interesting. I was expecting AD145 to do a bit better though. I don't see need of further testing, at least on the 100 height. TH170 is making it look awesome, though.