(Nov. 25, 2019  5:53 PM)Biggster Wrote: Does using Expand instead of Proof make it less KO-resistant?

(Nov. 26, 2019  4:34 AM)Rouzuke Wrote:

(Nov. 25, 2019  5:53 PM)Biggster Wrote: Does using Expand instead of Proof make it less KO-resistant?

It will depend on what kind of Driver you use as Driver height, Driver gimmick, and overall Beyblade combo weight does make a huge difference on the KO resistance.

(Nov. 26, 2019  4:36 AM)Biggster Wrote:

(Nov. 26, 2019  4:34 AM)Rouzuke Wrote: It will depend on what kind of Driver you use as Driver height, Driver gimmick, and overall Beyblade combo weight does make a huge difference on the KO resistance.

With everything else the same and the only variables are proof vs expand, which would the better one?

(Nov. 23, 2019  10:10 PM)Rouzuke Wrote:

(Nov. 12, 2019  1:53 AM)LazerBeamz Wrote: Prime Apocalypse NOW - 11/10/19
Brooklyn, New York - Burst Standard

1st The_Gotham
Perfect Phoenix Outer Atomic (Deck)
Judgment Odin RETSU 5 Proof Destroy' (Deck)
Lord Longinus 00 Cross Bearing (Deck)
Perfect Phoenix 00 Cross Atomic (Group)
Perfect Phoenix 00 Cross Xtend+ (Group)


2nd Aoi_burst
Perfect Phoenix Outer Xtend+ (Deck)
Lord Spriggan 5 Glaive Bearing (Deck)
Lord Spriggan 5 Cross Xtend+ (Group)


3rd NewRocChampion1
Prime Apocalypse Hybrid (Deck)
Regalia Genesis Sting Bearing (Group and Deck)
Lord Spriggan Blitz Xtend+ (Group and Deck)
Prime Apocalypse 7 Proof Ultimate Reboot' (Group)

The consistent usage of 5 Disk by Aoi_burst was really what piqued my interest the most. It's either the match-ups were quite bad (like opponents being stock combo users) or that 5 really has some latent good use over the usual 00/0/10 that we see for Core Disk usage. 

Even the 1st placer has a Judgment combo using 5 despite common claims that painted 0, Sting, and unpainted Blitz provide the best Burst resistance alongside using Gen Weight. Quite interested in how it fared since it was using Destroy', which doesn't really have a consistent attack pattern though I can see Burst risk was of course mitigated by the Driver. This is also assuming the Judgment Base was a fresh copy, and that the heavier side of Retsu is aligned with the rubber brake side of the Base.

Finally, the emergence of Prime Apocalypse (on Hybrid to boot) as well as Regalia Genesis are indeed refreshing amidst the toxic meta of the usual pP, Lord, etc. Regalia on Bearing was not what I'd expect since mine would spontaneously Burst upon launch on anything that has less spring strength than Xtend+. 7 still being awesome with a GT Layer is also quite thrilling and interesting along with usage of 5.

(Nov. 29, 2019  7:01 AM)OriginalDankstr Wrote:

(Nov. 23, 2019  10:10 PM)Rouzuke Wrote: The consistent usage of 5 Disk by Aoi_burst was really what piqued my interest the most. It's either the match-ups were quite bad (like opponents being stock combo users) or that 5 really has some latent good use over the usual 00/0/10 that we see for Core Disk usage. 

Even the 1st placer has a Judgment combo using 5 despite common claims that painted 0, Sting, and unpainted Blitz provide the best Burst resistance alongside using Gen Weight. Quite interested in how it fared since it was using Destroy', which doesn't really have a consistent attack pattern though I can see Burst risk was of course mitigated by the Driver. This is also assuming the Judgment Base was a fresh copy, and that the heavier side of Retsu is aligned with the rubber brake side of the Base.

Finally, the emergence of Prime Apocalypse (on Hybrid to boot) as well as Regalia Genesis are indeed refreshing amidst the toxic meta of the usual pP, Lord, etc. Regalia on Bearing was not what I'd expect since mine would spontaneously Burst upon launch on anything that has less spring strength than Xtend+. 7 still being awesome with a GT Layer is also quite thrilling and interesting along with usage of 5.

 I know I'm a bit late to this, but certain molds of 5 are extremely tight on Judgement. Mine is tighter on Judgement than both my Blitz and my 0 disc (Hasbro 0 disc, and TT 5 disc, not sure if that makes a difference). I would assume that it doesn't see that much use because it's a little light compared to 0, lighter than the GT discs and is somewhat inconsistent in tightness

(Dec. 02, 2019  12:07 PM)Wombat Wrote: Beyblade West: LA Burst Classic Bey Clash #3
Los Angeles, California, USA | Burst Classic | December 1 2019

1st Place: ZYeYO
Victory Valkyrie Gravity Ultimate Reboot’
Wolborg Heavy Revolve
Quad Quetzalcatl Knuckle Trans’ (Deck Format Finals Only)

2nd Place: Yami
Valkyrie Gravity Trans’
Neptune Spread Revolve
Neptune Spread Keep’ (Deck Format Finals Only)

3rd Place: JoJo [Jp0t]
Neptune Spread Revolve
ßaldur Gravity Zeta’
Victory Valkyrie Heavy Xtreme’ (Deck Format Finals Only)
Victory Valkyrie Heavy Quick’ (Deck Format Finals Only)

4th Place: The Supreme One

Ul’ was definitely the MVP of today. Zyeyo used his V2.G.Ul’ at ThaKingTai’s suggestion and went 7-1 mainly using it, defeating things like Neptune on Revolve, several Yegdrion combos, and even a few other Attack types like Valkyrie Trans’ and Spryzen S2 on Iron. JoJo’s ßaldur combo definitely put in work too, it was pretty much an unburstable brick and had surprisingly good stamina (for ßaldur that is). It 3-0ed my M.K.Qc’ in the first stage and totally nullified LazerBeamz in the quarterfinals.

I’ll probably expand on the meta a bit more if I make a tournament report but having a Burst Classic tournament with so many people who have good parts and also know what they’re doing was definitely intense.

(Dec. 02, 2019  7:45 PM)JoJo [Jp0t] Wrote: Beyblade West @ Strange Cereal
Huntington Beach, CA 11/30/2019

1st Place King Loofa
Imperial Odin.00E.Sp'

(Dec. 02, 2019  7:55 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: Strange to see spiral’ on the winning combos list, especially at first place. I also haven’t seen archer Hercules in a while on the winning combos list so it’s nice to see it again. The Cho-Z Spriggan combo was a bit strange to see on the winning combos list, but there was probably a good reason to use it over something like LS.

(Dec. 02, 2019  11:50 PM)BladerGem Wrote:

(Dec. 02, 2019  7:55 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: Strange to see spiral’ on the winning combos list, especially at first place. I also haven’t seen archer Hercules in a while on the winning combos list so it’s nice to see it again. The Cho-Z Spriggan combo was a bit strange to see on the winning combos list, but there was probably a good reason to use it over something like LS.

Also odd to see Imperial in 1st place. Does it not raise the Odin chip? I just got Imperial a few days ago, but I can't seem to find a combo where it won't self-burst. Even on Valkyrie and X', it feels looser than most Stamina bases (Wizard Longinus on X' is tighter, for example).

If it's not on Valkyrie or Dragon 2/Joker, it tends to feel more like it has slopes (Even on X' and Ig'!). I don't know if I got a bad mold, but it seems like Imperial raises the chip way more than was first noted/what I was expecting.

(Dec. 02, 2019  11:50 PM)BladerGem Wrote:

(Dec. 02, 2019  7:55 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: Strange to see spiral’ on the winning combos list, especially at first place. I also haven’t seen archer Hercules in a while on the winning combos list so it’s nice to see it again. The Cho-Z Spriggan combo was a bit strange to see on the winning combos list, but there was probably a good reason to use it over something like LS.

Also odd to see Imperial in 1st place. Does it not raise the Odin chip? I just got Imperial a few days ago, but I can't seem to find a combo where it won't self-burst. Even on Valkyrie and X', it feels looser than most Stamina bases (Wizard Longinus on X' is tighter, for example).

If it's not on Valkyrie or Dragon 2/Joker, it tends to feel more like it has slopes (Even on X' and Ig'!). I don't know if I got a bad mold, but it seems like Imperial raises the chip way more than was first noted/what I was expecting.

(Dec. 03, 2019  12:51 PM)henwooja1 Wrote:

(Dec. 02, 2019  11:50 PM)BladerGem Wrote: Also odd to see Imperial in 1st place. Does it not raise the Odin chip? I just got Imperial a few days ago, but I can't seem to find a combo where it won't self-burst. Even on Valkyrie and X', it feels looser than most Stamina bases (Wizard Longinus on X' is tighter, for example).

If it's not on Valkyrie or Dragon 2/Joker, it tends to feel more like it has slopes (Even on X' and Ig'!). I don't know if I got a bad mold, but it seems like Imperial raises the chip way more than was first noted/what I was expecting.

That's because of the bad bars on imperial. TT tried to nerf it so it wasn't too OP by making it able to be busted easily

(Dec. 03, 2019  9:34 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote: Pixel 4: re:Ignition' - 11/17/19
Brooklyn, New York - Burst Standard

2nd Sniper
Lightning L-Drago Around Destroy' (Group and Deck)

(Dec. 03, 2019  9:54 PM)MrBlade Wrote:

(Dec. 03, 2019  9:34 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote: Pixel 4: re:Ignition' - 11/17/19
Brooklyn, New York - Burst Standard

2nd Sniper
Lightning L-Drago Around Destroy' (Group and Deck)

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH. So basically Sniper got 2nd Place with one combo with a Layer that is a remake of a Metal Fight Bey?

(Dec. 03, 2019  10:00 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote:

(Dec. 03, 2019  9:54 PM)MrBlade Wrote: WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH. So basically Sniper got 2nd Place with one combo with a Layer that is a remake of a Metal Fight Bey?

That is exactly right. Its KO attack potential in both same and opposite spin as well as the combination's great stamina in opposite spin made it a force to be reckoned with.

(Dec. 03, 2019  9:34 PM)LazerBeamz Wrote: 3rd Jecky
(Left Spin) Lord Longinus 00 Wall Bearing (Group)
Zwei Diabolos Sting Jolt' (Deck)
Judgment Valkyrie Blitz Octa (Deck)

(Dec. 03, 2019  11:51 PM)joyos Wrote: Did you happen to get the Layer Weight for the JV combo?  Just curious

(Dec. 02, 2019  7:45 PM)JoJo [Jp0t] Wrote: Beyblade West @ Strange Cereal
Huntington Beach, CA 11/30/2019

...

2nd Place Kei
Tact Longinus.00W.Br
Lord Pegasus.0C.Xt+
Judgement Diabolos.0G.X'
LC Perfect Phoenix.0C.Xt+
LC Perfect Phoenix.00C.Xt+ (deck only)

(Dec. 02, 2019  7:55 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: Strange to see spiral’ on the winning combos list, especially at first place. I also haven’t seen archer Hercules in a while on the winning combos list so it’s nice to see it again. The Cho-Z Spriggan combo was a bit strange to see on the winning combos list, but there was probably a good reason to use it over something like LS.

(Dec. 04, 2019  1:55 AM)henwooja1 Wrote: What layer weight was on Tact?