(Jun. 02, 2017  3:43 PM)1234beyblade Wrote: It's because of group chats, for me personally that's the reason, I usually just yell out my findings in the group chat or to Kei directly use it at a tourney or 2 to surprise people and then... It's not discussed ever again lol.

And yes I am aware it's unhealthy Brad said the same thing years ago.

(Jun. 02, 2017  3:52 PM)Kai-V Wrote: I wish everyone would realise how private chats are not helping in so many ways...

Personally, on the subject of parts testing, I was rather baffled when people mentioned using Acid Anubis to me at Beyblade North 2017. That came out of absolutely nowhere to me, that that Dual Layer had any use and that people were really going to rely on it competitively. That is way not normal, especially as it was released a while ago.

(Jun. 02, 2017  3:43 PM)1234beyblade Wrote: It's because of group chats, for me personally that's the reason, I usually just yell out my findings in the group chat or to Kei directly use it at a tourney or 2 to surprise people and then... It's not discussed ever again lol.

And yes I am aware it's unhealthy Brad said the same thing years ago.

(Jun. 02, 2017  3:52 PM)Kai-V Wrote: I wish everyone would realise how private chats are not helping in so many ways...

Personally, on the subject of parts testing, I was rather baffled when people mentioned using Acid Anubis to me at Beyblade North 2017. That came out of absolutely nowhere to me, that that Dual Layer had any use and that people were really going to rely on it competitively. That is way not normal, especially as it was released a while ago.

(Jun. 02, 2017  6:04 PM)Rebel Blader Wrote:

(Jun. 02, 2017  2:47 PM)1234beyblade Wrote: A2 is better because it can destabilize just like D2 could, so it easily counters Neptune and can beat Wyvern and Odin.  Those tests and drafts are outdated because they were probably done before D2 and D ban.

can it counter blaze ragnarok?

(Jun. 02, 2017  3:41 PM)Kai-V Wrote:

(Jun. 02, 2017  2:15 PM)1234beyblade Wrote: people now a days usually keep results to themselves though (or it could be just me).

Why is that though? I can somewhat understand when there are big competitions like Beyblade North 2017 coming up, but throughout the rest of the year, nobody really benefits from the community being totally clueless about how new parts perform... In fact, we just risk losing a lot of players because they have less idea what to buy and, consequently, would stop buying anything because of this apparent globalized disinterest.

(Jun. 03, 2017  12:43 AM)Kai-V Wrote: The thing is that "impressions" are way too vague. Are you coming to a conclusion after just three battles trying that part out? And with and against what, exactly? If the impressions can be just more detailed so that they can be trusted, then I do think I have written before that they would be OK to post instead of full test results. So this is just repetition...

(Jun. 03, 2017  12:36 AM)Kei Wrote:

(Jun. 02, 2017  3:41 PM)Kai-V Wrote: Why is that though? I can somewhat understand when there are big competitions like Beyblade North 2017 coming up, but throughout the rest of the year, nobody really benefits from the community being totally clueless about how new parts perform... In fact, we just risk losing a lot of players because they have less idea what to buy and, consequently, would stop buying anything because of this apparent globalized disinterest.

But throughout the year winning combinations are always posted for each event, so any 'results' that actually matter (my criteria for "actually matter" being that a particular combo or part placed in a Winning Combination posted here) are inevitably made public, so there isn't any real way to keep things to yourself for longer than is fair to protect your own new discoveries briefly before going into tournaments anyways. This is part of the reason we instituted the rules for posting winning combinations years ago; so that we could track the development of the metagame throughout each series and force any notable discoveries to be made public and not be lost to time.

That said, I understand that in general the level of formal testing has gone down over the years. I don't have a full explanation for this myself (although private chats are definitely a contributing factor), but for me personally it comes down to a couple simple things that have nothing to do with private chats:

(Jun. 03, 2017  1:09 AM)Ultra Wrote: I don't think we set too high a standard tbh. While the supposed rule is 20 rounds no one gets berated if they give tests of like 10 rounds. 

(Jun. 03, 2017  1:09 AM)Ultra Wrote: I don't really understand why testing has dropped off a cliff when you compare MFB and Zero G to Burst. Doesn't make sense to me. I don't think we set too high a standard tbh. While the supposed rule is 20 rounds no one gets berated if they give tests of like 10 rounds. And I don't think it takes that long to make a simple testing thread. As for the point winning combinations show the important things i'm not sure that's 100% true. They show that it won and it's good but seldom do you get an explanation of what they won against which fairly important information. Maybe there should be a specific place where people give their impression of parts and what they do well against.

(Jun. 03, 2017  12:51 AM)Kei Wrote:

(Jun. 03, 2017  12:43 AM)Kai-V Wrote: The thing is that "impressions" are way too vague. Are you coming to a conclusion after just three battles trying that part out? And with and against what, exactly? If the impressions can be just more detailed so that they can be trusted, then I do think I have written before that they would be OK to post instead of full test results. So this is just repetition...

It changes depending on the match-up. Sometimes my impression is based on a few rounds, sometimes on dozens. I just don't feel the time investment to prepare an extremely formal thread is worth it anymore (with some exceptions obviously, mostly based on the amount of time I have or value I think something could bring to the community like the initial batch of Hasbro vs. TT testing I did with 1234beyblade and Bey Brad), and I don't think we should keep trying to force people into thinking that is the only way for their experience to be valid in community discussion.

If we all had an unlimited amount of time and could sit down to do 20 rounds of formal testing for each match-up, and then post the results in a very specific format in a thread, that would be wonderful, but it's not realistic. I feel more inclined to casually discuss things based on my impressions than I do to sit down and make formal threads; that's why private chats are popular. The barrier of entry is lower.

More details is always great, but I don't think short impressions should be discouraged either. I would just maybe discourage very short impressions being the basis for an entirely new thread.

(May. 31, 2017  2:14 AM)Mage Wrote: ATOMIC!
Sry, just had to XD

Now doesn't this winning combo list look familiar?

No A2 in London, no one wanted to use it when Neptune or dF was a safer choice. Perhaps it was used once? Can't remember.
So yeah, all of the bladers who went to Beyblade North 2017 in Toronto, Canada that were actually present made it into top 2.
Sadly @[~Mana~] and @[ClaraM] weren't available for our BeyDays celebration.
We took what we learned in Toronto and applied it here. Due to the D/D2 ban, it worked out. London bladers quickly had the new metagame figured out even without our input.

Of course Neptune and Drain Fafnir to me have become the go to choices for combos at tournaments, having replaced Deathscyther and D2 for me. My trusty VKT combo is no longer viable competitively due to L2 and dF... I cri, but I must say goodbye.

Kudos to @[Mr LT], who advised me on the L2.K.At combo. It helped me beat Basedsamuraij's L2.K.O for obvious reasons. Maybe there's more to it eh?

I'll get a tournament report out sometime, so look out for that!

Join us next time and we'll crack open a cold one with the lads

(Jun. 09, 2017  12:38 AM)Manicben Wrote:

Beyblade Prime 2017

3 June 2017 - London, UK - BST Format

The Results

1st  - Manicben

Neptune Spread Revolve
Drain Fafnir Polish Atomic
Drain Fafnir Polish Revolve
Drain Fafnir Spread Revolve
Lost Longinus Knuckle Atomic (Deck Finals Only)

2nd - @[Basedsamuraij]

Neptune Spread Revolve
Drain Fafnir Spread Revolve
Lost Longinus 4Vortex Orbit

3rd  - @[Ultra]

Neptune Spread Revolve
Drain Fafnir Yell Revolve
Odin Yell Revolve
Lost Longinus 2Glaive Orbit (Deck Finals Only)

---

Now doesn't this winning combo list look familiar?

No A2 in London, no one wanted to use it when Neptune or dF was a safer choice. Perhaps it was used once? Can't remember.
So yeah, all of the bladers who went to Beyblade North 2017 in Toronto, Canada that were actually present made it into top 2.
Sadly @[~Mana~] and @[ClaraM] weren't available for our BeyDays celebration.
We took what we learned in Toronto and applied it here. Due to the D/D2 ban, it worked out. London bladers quickly had the new metagame figured out even without our input.

Of course Neptune and Drain Fafnir to me have become the go to choices for combos at tournaments, having replaced Deathscyther and D2 for me. My trusty VKT combo is no longer viable competitively due to L2 and dF... I cri, but I must say goodbye.

Kudos to @[Mr LT], who advised me on the L2.K.At combo. It helped me beat Basedsamuraij's L2.K.O for obvious reasons. Maybe there's more to it eh?

I'll get a tournament report out sometime, so look out for that!

Join us next time and we'll crack open a cold one with the lads

(Jun. 09, 2017  12:38 AM)Manicben Wrote:

Beyblade Prime 2017

3 June 2017 - London, UK - BST Format

The Results

1st  - Manicben

Neptune Spread Revolve
Drain Fafnir Polish Atomic
Drain Fafnir Polish Revolve
Drain Fafnir Spread Revolve
Lost Longinus Knuckle Atomic (Deck Finals Only)

2nd - @[Basedsamuraij]

Neptune Spread Revolve
Drain Fafnir Spread Revolve
Lost Longinus 4Vortex Orbit

3rd  - @[Ultra]

Neptune Spread Revolve
Drain Fafnir Yell Revolve
Odin Yell Revolve
Lost Longinus 2Glaive Orbit (Deck Finals Only)

---

Now doesn't this winning combo list look familiar?

No A2 in London, no one wanted to use it when Neptune or dF was a safer choice. Perhaps it was used once? Can't remember.
So yeah, all of the bladers who went to Beyblade North 2017 in Toronto, Canada that were actually present made it into top 2.
Sadly @[~Mana~] and @[ClaraM] weren't available for our BeyDays celebration.
We took what we learned in Toronto and applied it here. Due to the D/D2 ban, it worked out. London bladers quickly had the new metagame figured out even without our input.

Of course Neptune and Drain Fafnir to me have become the go to choices for combos at tournaments, having replaced Deathscyther and D2 for me. My trusty VKT combo is no longer viable competitively due to L2 and dF... I cri, but I must say goodbye.

Kudos to @[Mr LT], who advised me on the L2.K.At combo. It helped me beat Basedsamuraij's L2.K.O for obvious reasons. Maybe there's more to it eh?

I'll get a tournament report out sometime, so look out for that!

Join us next time and we'll crack open a cold one with the lads

(Jun. 09, 2017  12:04 PM)The Rebel Blader Wrote:

(Jun. 09, 2017  12:38 AM)Manicben Wrote:

Beyblade Prime 2017

3 June 2017 - London, UK - BST Format

The Results

1st  - Manicben

Neptune Spread Revolve
Drain Fafnir Polish Atomic
Drain Fafnir Polish Revolve
Drain Fafnir Spread Revolve
Lost Longinus Knuckle Atomic (Deck Finals Only)

2nd - @[Basedsamuraij]

Neptune Spread Revolve
Drain Fafnir Spread Revolve
Lost Longinus 4Vortex Orbit

3rd  - @[Ultra]

Neptune Spread Revolve
Drain Fafnir Yell Revolve
Odin Yell Revolve
Lost Longinus 2Glaive Orbit (Deck Finals Only)

---

Now doesn't this winning combo list look familiar?

No A2 in London, no one wanted to use it when Neptune or dF was a safer choice. Perhaps it was used once? Can't remember.
So yeah, all of the bladers who went to Beyblade North 2017 in Toronto, Canada that were actually present made it into top 2.
Sadly @[~Mana~] and @[ClaraM] weren't available for our BeyDays celebration.
We took what we learned in Toronto and applied it here. Due to the D/D2 ban, it worked out. London bladers quickly had the new metagame figured out even without our input.

Of course Neptune and Drain Fafnir to me have become the go to choices for combos at tournaments, having replaced Deathscyther and D2 for me. My trusty VKT combo is no longer viable competitively due to L2 and dF... I cri, but I must say goodbye.

Kudos to @[Mr LT], who advised me on the L2.K.At combo. It helped me beat Basedsamuraij's L2.K.O for obvious reasons. Maybe there's more to it eh?

I'll get a tournament report out sometime, so look out for that!

Join us next time and we'll crack open a cold one with the lads

no blaze ragnarok. im suprised.

(Jun. 09, 2017  12:11 PM)mj9 Wrote:

(Jun. 09, 2017  12:04 PM)The Rebel Blader Wrote: no blaze ragnarok. im suprised.

Not really nearly all those combos make quick work of br

(Jun. 09, 2017  12:41 PM)Rebel Blader Wrote:

(Jun. 09, 2017  12:11 PM)mj9 Wrote: Not really nearly all those combos make quick work of br

i can understand that neptune can beat bR but bR is supposed to counter dF and L2