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(Dec. 10, 2020 1:54 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 10, 2020 1:52 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: [ -> ]SO you are saying an overpowered protag introduced being champion for 1 year and this no one comes out of nowhere and destroys him in GT? Later he is stepped down from #1 to #3 and loses to one of the lamest antagonists? How is that not a nerf? If that is not a nerf I don't know WHAT IS.
A nerf is when someone power level is reduced. Aiger's power level isn't being reduced. Someone just has a higher power level than him.
It can also translate in lowering someone's power level yk...
(Dec. 10, 2020 1:56 AM)TheGolden Blade Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 10, 2020 1:54 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]A nerf is when someone power level is reduced. Aiger's power level IS being reduced. Someone just has a higher power level than him.
Fixed it for you
His power level isn't being reduced. He's still as powerful as he was when he was first introduced. however someone is now just stronger than him. I don't get whats so hard to understand. Someone is stronger than Aiger. There's a bias or something in here.
(Dec. 10, 2020 1:57 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 10, 2020 1:56 AM)TheGolden Blade Wrote: [ -> ]Fixed it for you
His power level isn't being reduced. He's still as powerful as he was when he was first introduced. however someone is now just stronger than him. I don't get whats so hard to understand. Someone is stronger than Aiger. There's a bias or something in here.
Lane's power: Actual strenght: 1%
Plot armor:99%
(Dec. 10, 2020 1:56 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 10, 2020 1:54 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]A nerf is when someone power level is reduced. Aiger's power level isn't being reduced. Someone just has a higher power level than him.
It can also translate in lowering someone's power level yk...
The power level isn't being lowered so Lain is stronger. Lain just exceeded Aiger's power level.
(Dec. 10, 2020 1:58 AM)TheGolden Blade Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 10, 2020 1:57 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]His power level isn't being reduced. He's still as powerful as he was when he was first introduced. however someone is now just stronger than him. I don't get whats so hard to understand. Someone is stronger than Aiger. There's a bias or something in here.
Lane's power: Actual strenght: 1%
Plot armor:99%
So you're just gonna disregard the strength of his bey or his actual skill and power? Nice logical agreement.
(Dec. 10, 2020 1:58 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 10, 2020 1:56 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: [ -> ]It can also translate in lowering someone's power level yk...
The power level isn't being lowered so Lain is stronger. Lain just exceeded Aiger's power level.
(Dec. 10, 2020 1:58 AM)TheGolden Blade Wrote: [ -> ]Lane's power: Actual strenght: 1%
Plot armor:99%
So you're just gonna disregard the strength of his bey or his actual skill and power? Nice logical agreement.
He beat all the legends gotta hand it to him. (Except Rantaro and Drum which he thinks they are stupid and weak and has no interest in them.) He burst Sisco in the tag battle so it counts.
(Dec. 10, 2020 1:58 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 10, 2020 1:56 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: [ -> ]It can also translate in lowering someone's power level yk...
The power level isn't being lowered so Lain is stronger. Lain just exceeded Aiger's power level.
(Dec. 10, 2020 1:58 AM)TheGolden Blade Wrote: [ -> ]Lane's power: Actual strenght: 1%
Plot armor:99%
So you're just gonna disregard the strength of his bey or his actual skill and power? Nice logical agreement.
Lame Vanilla is a full plot armor character. Your the one not realizing the logic in his statement. He comes out of nowhere and destroys Lui, Free, and literally every other legend there is. All this man does is scream the heck outta his lungs "LUCIFER..... VARIANT WALL" Which only just gives it more defensive power how tf does a bey burst against that defensive move? All the bursts lane has done makes no sense. That is not logic, that is pure plot armor. Dude.
(Dec. 10, 2020 2:02 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 10, 2020 1:58 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]The power level isn't being lowered so Lain is stronger. Lain just exceeded Aiger's power level.
So you're just gonna disregard the strength of his bey or his actual skill and power? Nice logical agreement.
Lame Vanilla is a full plot armor character. Your the one not realizing the logic in his statement. He comes out of nowhere and destroys Lui, Free, and literally every other legend there is. All this man does is scream the heck outta his lungs "LUCIFER..... VARIANT WALL" Which only just gives it more defensive power how tf does a bey burst against that defensive move? All the bursts lane has done makes no sense. That is not logic, that is pure plot armor. Dude.
He beat Free using First Uranus' multi blade strike. Also its been proven beys can beat Variant Wall. It's happened before. I don't know why your brain can't comprehend that maybe Lain is stronger than Aiger?
He also beat Lui by slamming Luinor into the wall. Thats avoidable, Lui just didnt know it cause hes facing a new opponent. I know, shocking.
(Dec. 10, 2020 2:04 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 10, 2020 2:02 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: [ -> ]Lame Vanilla is a full plot armor character. Your the one not realizing the logic in his statement. He comes out of nowhere and destroys Lui, Free, and literally every other legend there is. All this man does is scream the heck outta his lungs "LUCIFER..... VARIANT WALL" Which only just gives it more defensive power how tf does a bey burst against that defensive move? All the bursts lane has done makes no sense. That is not logic, that is pure plot armor. Dude.
He beat Free using First Uranus' multi blade strike. Also its been proven beys can beat Variant Wall. It's happened before. I don't know why your brain can't comprehend that maybe Lain is stronger than Aiger?
HE iS only cuz a thing called "PLOT ARMOR" Idk how your brain can't understand that Lame Vanilla is an antagonist only got plot armor with his cringey bey that does nothing.
(Dec. 10, 2020 2:05 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 10, 2020 2:04 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]He beat Free using First Uranus' multi blade strike. Also its been proven beys can beat Variant Wall. It's happened before. I don't know why your brain can't comprehend that maybe Lain is stronger than Aiger?
HE iS only cuz a thing called "PLOT ARMOR" Idk how your brain can't understand that Lame Vanilla is an antagonist only got plot armor with his cringey bey that does nothing.
He's not just completely plot Armor. Did random plot armor give him the strategy to slam Luinor into the wall? Did random plot armor give him the skill to make a bey to directly counter each of Spryzen's strengths? Did random plot armor let him burst Achilles with NO INFINITE ATTACHMENTS?
(Dec. 10, 2020 2:09 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 10, 2020 2:05 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: [ -> ]HE iS only cuz a thing called "PLOT ARMOR" Idk how your brain can't understand that Lame Vanilla is an antagonist only got plot armor with his cringey bey that does nothing.
He's not just completely plot Armor. Did random plot armor give him the strategy to slam Luinor into the wall? Did random plot armor give him the skill to make a bey to directly counter each of Spryzen's strengths? Did random plot armor let him burst Achilles with NO INFINITE ATTACHMENTS?
The fact your are just trying to justify Lane is just pure sad man. I mean we have our personal preference granted but that opinion liking lane after what he has done? Even people like Phi who were one of the best villians got more hate than this furry oh let me guess is it because of that lame hedgehog? Pathetic.
(Dec. 10, 2020 2:13 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 10, 2020 2:09 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]He's not just completely plot Armor. Did random plot armor give him the strategy to slam Luinor into the wall? Did random plot armor give him the skill to make a bey to directly counter each of Spryzen's strengths? Did random plot armor let him burst Achilles with NO INFINITE ATTACHMENTS?
The fact your are just trying to justify Lane is just pure sad man. I mean we have our personal preference granted but that opinion liking lane after what he has done? Even people like Phi who were one of the best villians got more hate than this furry oh let me guess is it because of that lame hedgehog? Pathetic.
First of all, I prefer Carl over Lain. Second of all, you never answered any of my rebuttals and just tried to insult me? Yeah, its clear you're just whining at this point. Oh no Lain beat my favorite character he sucks waa waa waa. Don't try to use your own personal opinions as an actual genuine point.
(Dec. 10, 2020 2:05 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 10, 2020 2:04 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]He beat Free using First Uranus' multi blade strike. Also its been proven beys can beat Variant Wall. It's happened before. I don't know why your brain can't comprehend that maybe Lain is stronger than Aiger?
HE iS only cuz a thing called "PLOT ARMOR" Idk how your brain can't understand that Lame Vanilla is an antagonist only got plot armor with his cringey bey that does nothing.
While he is definitely VERY OP for a rookie character, there is some sense to it. His flare is a powerful resonance that can actually carry his fighting style and growth, not to mention that he has SOME skill and strategy. It may not seem like it since it mainly revolves around his mega power resource, but he's strong for a reason. Saying Lean is only plot armor is like saying Aiga or Valt or Lui was only plot armor when they hit their primes and took off. Only difference is that Lean is beating our favorite characters now.
I will say that there is a sense of bs to his power, but it's not completely plot armor. Actually, I wish that the words 'plot armor' could never be abused in this way. Don't like the plot? Plot armor. Even if there is some sense to it. Only SOME though. I still think he's way far from where he should be, but after further, somewhat unbiased revision, you could make a case for him.
Instead of whining and insulting, why not actually make an argument with logical points?
Lain beat Free by using the multi strike of Fafnir. Free didn't even take him seriously.
Lain beat Lui by falling into his trap on purpose so he can counter attack.
Lain beat Ranjiro by smashing Roktavor into the wall when it has no way of getting out of it. Its a stamina type.
Lain did use plot armor to win the battle royale
Lain lost to Aiger by being hit when it was off balance. Didn't even win here.
Lain simply just overpowered triple twister so beat Silas.
Lain bursted Achilles, which was easy because it had no attachments. This wasn't the writers making Aiger dumb though. Aiger was just going for speed which did wear down the barrier but before Achilles could get in any solid hits the barrier came back.
Lain simply overwhelmed Helios and Hyperion by slamming them against the wall at a weird angle where they can't retaliate.
Lain did use plot armor to beat Valt, however it was needed or else they wouldn't be able to progress to Shu vs Lain which is an important battle.
Lain literally lost to Shu so no plot armor could be in play.
Lain created a bey that can slam down from above, which negates Spryzen's World Slash ability since it has to be directly attacked to do that. Also no barrier means the vertical attack can't be used to beat Lucius. Just planning and making a bey perfectly suited to take down Shu.
Lain and Valt beat Hyuga and Hikaru cause of course he did. he was with Valt going against Hyuga and Hikaru. It wasn't even him anyways, just some computer.
Not even counting Beyblade Virtual cause that wasn't him, only 18% of his battles can be explained as just plot armor. Ah yes. Such an evil menacing plot armor filled blader. What a nuisance.
(Dec. 10, 2020 2:19 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]Instead of whining and insulting, why not actually make an argument with logical points?
Lain beat Free by using the multi strike of Fafnir. Free didn't even take him seriously.
Lain beat Lui by falling into his trap on purpose so he can counter attack.
Lain beat Ranjiro by smashing Roktavor into the wall when it has no way of getting out of it. Its a stamina type.
Lain did use plot armor to win the battle royale
Lain lost to Aiger by being hit when it was off balance. Didn't even win here.
Lain simply just overpowered triple twister so beat Silas.
Lain bursted Achilles, which was easy because it had no attachments. This wasn't the writers making Aiger dumb though. Aiger was just going for speed which did wear down the barrier but before Achilles could get in any solid hits the barrier came back.
Lain simply overwhelmed Helios and Hyperion by slamming them against the wall at a weird angle where they can't retaliate.
Lain did use plot armor to beat Valt, however it was needed or else they wouldn't be able to progress to Shu vs Lain which is an important battle.
Lain literally lost to Shu so no plot armor could be in play.
Lain created a bey that can slam down from above, which negates Spryzen's World Slash ability since it has to be directly attacked to do that. Also no barrier means the vertical attack can't be used to beat Lucius. Just planning and making a bey perfectly suited to take down Shu.
Lain and Valt beat Hyuga and Hikaru cause of course he did. he was with Valt going against Hyuga and Hikaru. It wasn't even him anyways, just some computer.
Not even counting Beyblade Virtual cause that wasn't him, only 18% of his battles can be explained as just plot armor. Ah yes. Such an evil menacing plot armor filled blader. What a nuisance.
this is the dumbest thing i've ever seen. i'll admit lean is a bit overpowered. but he's still the best burst antagonist
oh wow what happened here
(Dec. 10, 2020 2:38 AM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 10, 2020 2:19 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]Instead of whining and insulting, why not actually make an argument with logical points?
Lain beat Free by using the multi strike of Fafnir. Free didn't even take him seriously.
Lain beat Lui by falling into his trap on purpose so he can counter attack.
Lain beat Ranjiro by smashing Roktavor into the wall when it has no way of getting out of it. Its a stamina type.
Lain did use plot armor to win the battle royale
Lain lost to Aiger by being hit when it was off balance. Didn't even win here.
Lain simply just overpowered triple twister so beat Silas.
Lain bursted Achilles, which was easy because it had no attachments. This wasn't the writers making Aiger dumb though. Aiger was just going for speed which did wear down the barrier but before Achilles could get in any solid hits the barrier came back.
Lain simply overwhelmed Helios and Hyperion by slamming them against the wall at a weird angle where they can't retaliate.
Lain did use plot armor to beat Valt, however it was needed or else they wouldn't be able to progress to Shu vs Lain which is an important battle.
Lain literally lost to Shu so no plot armor could be in play.
Lain created a bey that can slam down from above, which negates Spryzen's World Slash ability since it has to be directly attacked to do that. Also no barrier means the vertical attack can't be used to beat Lucius. Just planning and making a bey perfectly suited to take down Shu.
Lain and Valt beat Hyuga and Hikaru cause of course he did. he was with Valt going against Hyuga and Hikaru. It wasn't even him anyways, just some computer.
Not even counting Beyblade Virtual cause that wasn't him, only 18% of his battles can be explained as just plot armor. Ah yes. Such an evil menacing plot armor filled blader. What a nuisance.
this is the dumbest thing i've ever seen. i'll admit lean is a bit overpowered. but he's still the best burst antagonist
I wouldnt say he's the best, but after seeing his backstory in the manga he's pretty good.
(Dec. 10, 2020 2:40 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 10, 2020 2:38 AM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ]this is the dumbest thing i've ever seen. i'll admit lean is a bit overpowered. but he's still the best burst antagonist
I wouldnt say he's the best, but after seeing his backstory in the manga he's pretty good.
wait what was his backstory
(Dec. 10, 2020 4:16 AM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 10, 2020 2:40 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldnt say he's the best, but after seeing his backstory in the manga he's pretty good.
wait what was his backstory
During training with Shu Lain was a newbie and Shu was being kinda overly harsh on Lain. Lain took the stuff to heart and thought he deserved it cause he was a weak wimp and wanted to get stronger. After that he basically did intense training, developed flare which we know makes bladers stronger the more they win, and became hostile. Anyways Shu tries to stop Lain and later notices its actually all his fault.
Still debtaing huh? Whats not to expect
(Dec. 10, 2020 4:20 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]During training with Shu Lain was a newbie and Shu was being kinda overly harsh on Lain. Lain took the stuff to heart and thought he deserved it cause he was a weak wimp and wanted to get stronger. After that he basically did intense training, developed flare which we know makes bladers stronger the more they win, and became hostile. Anyways Shu tries to stop Lain and later notices its actually all his fault.
So wait, Shu actually referred to Lean as a weak wimp? Okay, what the hell Shu? That just seems so out of character for him here, and therefore seems like the manga is trying to justify why Shu gets to have far more screen time than the other Legendary Bladers (besides general popularity).
Now granted, I know it's part of Shu's character to be critical, brutally honest and a bit aloof but it just seems odd (especially since this is post Red Eye Shu, where Shu became friendlier) that he would start insulting his students and act like a stereotypical tiger parent. It makes me wonder if he treats all of his trainee candidates like that haha.
Anyways, back on topic. The battles here look pretty good so far, and the pairings feel like they're a bit more equal to each other than previous tournaments with individual bladers.
(Dec. 10, 2020 4:50 AM)LOL-y Rancher Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 10, 2020 4:20 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]During training with Shu Lain was a newbie and Shu was being kinda overly harsh on Lain. Lain took the stuff to heart and thought he deserved it cause he was a weak wimp and wanted to get stronger. After that he basically did intense training, developed flare which we know makes bladers stronger the more they win, and became hostile. Anyways Shu tries to stop Lain and later notices its actually all his fault.
So wait, Shu actually referred to Lean as a weak wimp? Okay, what the hell Shu? That just seems so out of character for him here, and therefore seems like the manga is trying to justify why Shu gets to have far more screen time than the other Legendary Bladers (besides general popularity).
Now granted, I know it's part of Shu's character to be critical, brutally honest and a bit aloof but it just seems odd (especially since this is post Red Eye Shu, where Shu became friendlier) that he would start insulting his students and act like a stereotypical tiger parent. It makes me wonder if he treats all of his trainee candidates like that haha.
I mean kinda? Its more like "C'mon dude stop failing get the training right already!" I doubt he had bad intentions. He just wanted Lain to be strong and I guess wasn't satisfied with Lain's rate of progressing. In the latest chapter when he realized his faults you could see he genuinely looked distraught. But yeah. Shu did tell the brothers that not everyone is suited to be a teacher, and instead of waiting for some on else to help them they should just grab the future with their own hands (implying he doesn't want them to potential run into a Lain situation). He's well aware that he was a bit to harsh, I assume he'll apologize to Lain, well of course he's gonna, later when he gets the chance. Probably after Hikaru vs Lain finishes.
(Dec. 10, 2020 2:19 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]Instead of whining and insulting, why not actually make an argument with logical points?
Lain beat Free by using the multi strike of Fafnir. Free didn't even take him seriously.
Lain beat Lui by falling into his trap on purpose so he can counter attack.
Lain beat Ranjiro by smashing Roktavor into the wall when it has no way of getting out of it. Its a stamina type.
Lain did use plot armor to win the battle royale
Lain lost to Aiger by being hit when it was off balance. Didn't even win here.
Lain simply just overpowered triple twister so beat Silas.
Lain bursted Achilles, which was easy because it had no attachments. This wasn't the writers making Aiger dumb though. Aiger was just going for speed which did wear down the barrier but before Achilles could get in any solid hits the barrier came back.
Lain simply overwhelmed Helios and Hyperion by slamming them against the wall at a weird angle where they can't retaliate.
Lain did use plot armor to beat Valt, however it was needed or else they wouldn't be able to progress to Shu vs Lain which is an important battle.
Lain literally lost to Shu so no plot armor could be in play.
Lain created a bey that can slam down from above, which negates Spryzen's World Slash ability since it has to be directly attacked to do that. Also no barrier means the vertical attack can't be used to beat Lucius. Just planning and making a bey perfectly suited to take down Shu.
Lain and Valt beat Hyuga and Hikaru cause of course he did. he was with Valt going against Hyuga and Hikaru. It wasn't even him anyways, just some computer.
Not even counting Beyblade Virtual cause that wasn't him, only 18% of his battles can be explained as just plot armor. Ah yes. Such an evil menacing plot armor filled blader. What a nuisance.
Lane does have plot armour,but he also has a great amount of skill.
(Dec. 10, 2020 1:43 AM)Legend Red Eye Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 08, 2020 12:31 PM)g2_ Wrote: [ -> ]Lui definitely doesn't deserve to beat Valt again.
"definetely" there is still that probability he will lose. He is paired with that sore loser Rantaro. Literally the lowest of the low when it comes to blading from all the legends. Drum and Lui combined are definetely better than Valt alone.
(Dec. 10, 2020 1:42 AM)EarthHelios Wrote: [ -> ]Dont forget Aiga has lost to 2 antagonist as well
THANK YOU! At least you are one of them that are not fully Valt fanbois and talks without bias!
I'm not a Valt fanboy, I'm a Harry fanboy. And 2 loses isn't that much, Aiga would've taken down Arthur if they had a rematch, hell, Amane beat him.
Too many Valtfan bois out there and Harry ones (which he isnt a blader for beysakes) But anyway this will probally just be more training for this episode.
Lui can burst Valt, and Valt can burst Lui. Lui gets added strength from Dante but Valt gets barely any from Rantaro. So I think Dante and Lui are winning this one.
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