Jan. 01, 2012 4:26 PM
I recently got Phantom Orion, Jade Jupiter, and a pack of MF-2s, and was up late last night messing around with combos. I wanted to see how a low-track defense/balance combo worked against today's top-tiers, and needless to say, it did pretty well. This combo is something I would like to introduce to you as a potential Tier 2 balance type. Let me explain my reasoning behind the parts I chose.
MF-H: It provides extra weight and reduces recoil, both of which are needed in this combo. It's not particularly heavy, so it needed some way to stay in the stadium.
Cancer: I think this CW goes great with Phantom. It's got decent weight, good weight distribution, and since Cancer is two-sided like Phantom, it has pretty nice synergy with it.
Phantom (Stamina): Phantom is the best stamina wheel I own, and I wanted to create a hybrid between stamina and defense. Phantom's weight also plays a part in this; it's heavy enough so that, on a decent defensive tip (like RB), it doesn't get KOed as easily.
85: This is a good height for Phantom in this combo because it doesn't expose the recoily undersides of Phantom, compared to TH170, AD145, etc. It's also a good height for getting up under 145-height combos just enough to tip them over.
RB: As you know, RB is a pretty solid defense tip, similar to RS and RSF. Because of this, it can stay inside the stadium more easily, even if it has less-than-perfect stamina. My RB is a tad aggressive, so I banked when testing against stamina combos.
Parts I don't have: Blitz, RSF, Death, RDF, a second Aquario, a second Cancer, a second Phantom, a second 85, and a second RB.
All tests were done using standard procedure; launches alternated against stamina + defense, and Phantom launched first against attack.
Versus Stamina
Versus Attack
Versus Defense
MFB Mad Master's Testing
If there's any testing you need/want me to do, tell me. I'll try to get it done thoroughly and post the results here.
MF-H: It provides extra weight and reduces recoil, both of which are needed in this combo. It's not particularly heavy, so it needed some way to stay in the stadium.
Cancer: I think this CW goes great with Phantom. It's got decent weight, good weight distribution, and since Cancer is two-sided like Phantom, it has pretty nice synergy with it.
Phantom (Stamina): Phantom is the best stamina wheel I own, and I wanted to create a hybrid between stamina and defense. Phantom's weight also plays a part in this; it's heavy enough so that, on a decent defensive tip (like RB), it doesn't get KOed as easily.
85: This is a good height for Phantom in this combo because it doesn't expose the recoily undersides of Phantom, compared to TH170, AD145, etc. It's also a good height for getting up under 145-height combos just enough to tip them over.
RB: As you know, RB is a pretty solid defense tip, similar to RS and RSF. Because of this, it can stay inside the stadium more easily, even if it has less-than-perfect stamina. My RB is a tad aggressive, so I banked when testing against stamina combos.
Parts I don't have: Blitz, RSF, Death, RDF, a second Aquario, a second Cancer, a second Phantom, a second 85, and a second RB.
All tests were done using standard procedure; launches alternated against stamina + defense, and Phantom launched first against attack.
Versus Stamina
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MF-H Phantom Cancer 85RB vs Basalt Kerbecs AD145WD
MF-H Phantom Cancer 85RB vs Scythe Aquario AD145WD
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Phantom- 14 wins (2 OS, 12 KO)
Basalt- 6 wins (all OS)
1 draw
Phantom win %- 70%
I know this is only decent, but Phantom had very little knockback when KOing Basalt. Very few of the KOs were wall saves, as well.
Basalt- 6 wins (all OS)
1 draw
Phantom win %- 70%
I know this is only decent, but Phantom had very little knockback when KOing Basalt. Very few of the KOs were wall saves, as well.
MF-H Phantom Cancer 85RB vs Scythe Aquario AD145WD
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Phantom- 15 wins (9 OS, 6 KO)
Scythe- 5 wins (all OS)
Phantom win %- 75%
This is slightly better than it did versus Basalt; reason being is that Scythe was easier to get up under and/or KO. Some of the outspins from either of them were pretty slim.
Scythe- 5 wins (all OS)
Phantom win %- 75%
This is slightly better than it did versus Basalt; reason being is that Scythe was easier to get up under and/or KO. Some of the outspins from either of them were pretty slim.
Versus Attack
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MF-H Phantom Cancer 85RB vs MF VariAres R145RF (right-spin)
MF-H Phantom Cancer 85RB vs MF Meteo L-Drago D125XF
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Phantom- 15 wins (6 OS, 9 KO)
VariAres- 5 wins (all KO)
Phantom win %- 75%
To me, these results are pretty solid, seeing as it went up against a top-tier attack type (save for the MF-H ). I'd take 75% against it any day.
VariAres- 5 wins (all KO)
Phantom win %- 75%
To me, these results are pretty solid, seeing as it went up against a top-tier attack type (save for the MF-H ). I'd take 75% against it any day.
MF-H Phantom Cancer 85RB vs MF Meteo L-Drago D125XF
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Phantom- 15 wins (4 OS, 11 KO)
Meteo- 5 wins (1 OS, 4 KO)
Phantom win %- 75%
I was kind of surprised to see that my RB was kind of aggressive... Some of the otuspins by Phantom were by a hair due to MLD's spin-equalizing.
Meteo- 5 wins (1 OS, 4 KO)
Phantom win %- 75%
I was kind of surprised to see that my RB was kind of aggressive... Some of the otuspins by Phantom were by a hair due to MLD's spin-equalizing.
Versus Defense
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MF-H Phantom Cancer 85RB vs MF Basalt Aquario BD145CS
MF-H Phantom Cancer 85RB vs MF Basalt Aquario 230CS
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Phantom- 18 wins (all OS)
Basalt- 2 wins (1 OS, 1 KO)
Phantom win %- 90%
This actually kind of surprised me, even though Basalt BD145CS isn't hard to outspin. A good portion of Phantom's wins were by destabilizing BD145, though not enough to where it rocketed around the stadium and reduced all of its stamina. Both my CS and RB were calm, by the way.
Basalt- 2 wins (1 OS, 1 KO)
Phantom win %- 90%
This actually kind of surprised me, even though Basalt BD145CS isn't hard to outspin. A good portion of Phantom's wins were by destabilizing BD145, though not enough to where it rocketed around the stadium and reduced all of its stamina. Both my CS and RB were calm, by the way.
MF-H Phantom Cancer 85RB vs MF Basalt Aquario 230CS
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Phantom- 0 wins
Basalt- 20 wins (all OS)
Phantom win %- 0%
I didn't expect it to do this poorly against it... Guess Jan was right about 230 making LTDCs inferior. Then again, every combo has its kryptonite, so I guess this is okay...
Basalt- 20 wins (all OS)
Phantom win %- 0%
I didn't expect it to do this poorly against it... Guess Jan was right about 230 making LTDCs inferior. Then again, every combo has its kryptonite, so I guess this is okay...
MFB Mad Master's Testing
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MF-H Phantom Cancer 85RB vs. MF Blitz Unicorno (II) 90R2F
Cancer won: 17/20 matches: 85%
Unicorno won: 3/20 matches: 15%
MF-H Phantom Cancer 85RB vs. MF-H Vari Ares R145RF
Cancer won: 18/20 matches: 90%
Vari Ares won: 2/20 matches: 10%
MF-H Phantom Cancer 85RB vs. MF-H Death (Defense Mode) Aquario BD145RDF
Cancer won: 20/20 matches: 100%
Aquario won: 0/20 matches: 0%
All OS
MF-H Phantom Cancer 85RB vs. MF-H Diablo (Defense Mode) Kerbecs BD145CS
Cancer won: 14/20 matches: 65%
Kerbecs won: 6/20 matches: 35%
Cancer won: 17/20 matches: 85%
Unicorno won: 3/20 matches: 15%
MF-H Phantom Cancer 85RB vs. MF-H Vari Ares R145RF
Cancer won: 18/20 matches: 90%
Vari Ares won: 2/20 matches: 10%
MF-H Phantom Cancer 85RB vs. MF-H Death (Defense Mode) Aquario BD145RDF
Cancer won: 20/20 matches: 100%
Aquario won: 0/20 matches: 0%
All OS
MF-H Phantom Cancer 85RB vs. MF-H Diablo (Defense Mode) Kerbecs BD145CS
Cancer won: 14/20 matches: 65%
Kerbecs won: 6/20 matches: 35%
If there's any testing you need/want me to do, tell me. I'll try to get it done thoroughly and post the results here.