(Jul. 01, 2014  8:23 PM)Ingulit Wrote:

(Jul. 01, 2014  7:50 PM)Du@l Wrote: Either way, many bladers on this site have said that they would not want to participate in a tournament if absolutely nothing was awarded.

While "many" bladers might have said that (from what I'm gathering it's been very few), I'd wager that 100% of bladers would not want to participate in an event in a given region if that event doesn't even exist. If you look at the home page, it looks like there are very, very few regions that even have interest in Beyblade, and what I'm trying to argue is that this change would fix that.

(Jul. 01, 2014  8:29 PM)Du@l Wrote:

(Jul. 01, 2014  8:23 PM)Ingulit Wrote:

(Jul. 01, 2014  7:50 PM)Du@l Wrote: Either way, many bladers on this site have said that they would not want to participate in a tournament if absolutely nothing was awarded.

While "many" bladers might have said that (from what I'm gathering it's been very few), I'd wager that 100% of bladers would not want to participate in an event in a given region if that event doesn't even exist. If you look at the home page, it looks like there are very, very few regions that even have interest in Beyblade, and what I'm trying to argue is that this change would fix that.

Well, even if only a few bladers have expressed discontent for no credits or beypoints, it's a higher number than those that have approved of it. And yes, unofficial gatherings would be better than nothing at all, but an official tournament with 6 or 7 bladers would be even better, would it not? That's what this thread is about, allowing places without enough bladers to host official tournaments. Gatherings of only four bladers could easily be discussed via pm, by looking people up on beymap, or knowing them from the forum.

(Jul. 01, 2014  7:43 PM)Ingulit Wrote: I'm likely reiterating what has been said but I'd love to see it be a 4/5/6 blader minimum for an EVENT to be allowed to be listed on the site, but no credits/Beypoints would be awarded if the event has fewer than 8 participants and includes a mini-tournament. For really inactive regions like my own, it's hard to even begin to grow when we cannot advertise our events via them being listed on the site since we don't have enough bladers (which is very much a catch-22). An event being in the sidebar is incredible visibility that new regions could utilize, even if their event was a gray color or something if it doesn't yet have 8 people (EDIT: or see the following paragraph). It would also be great for new regions to point to their official event history if parents are concerned or something, which right now is a barrier to attracting bladers in an inactive area.

Heck, one idea would be to have two sidebars, one for "events" (Beyblade gatherings with a 4/5/6 blader minimum where no Beypoints or Credits are awarded if they include mini-tournaments) and one for legit "tournaments" (min 8 people, like normal). Even if "events" would likely end up being the same 4-6 people many times, the fact that they would be advertised on the home page would let new bladers know there is Beyblade activity going on in their area that they can go to, and hopefully that will result in an area getting enough new people to start having their own tournaments!

(Jul. 01, 2014  8:37 PM)Naijalak Wrote: At the heart of everything, I believe that BeyPoints should still be given no matter what. That's the core of what most players seem to want.

(Jul. 01, 2014  8:29 PM)Du@l Wrote: Well, even if only a few bladers have expressed discontent for no credits or beypoints, it's a higher number than those that have approved of it.

(Jul. 01, 2014  8:29 PM)Du@l Wrote: And yes, unofficial gatherings would be better than nothing at all, but an official tournament with 6 or 7 bladers would be even better, would it not? That's what this thread is about, allowing places without enough bladers to host official tournaments.

(Jul. 01, 2014  8:29 PM)Du@l Wrote: Gatherings of only four bladers could easily be discussed via pm, by looking people up on beymap, or knowing them from the forum.

(Jul. 01, 2014  8:23 PM)Ingulit Wrote:

(Jul. 01, 2014  8:14 PM)Leone19 Wrote: If no BeyPoints, Faces, or Credits were given out whatsoever, it'd just be an unofficial event, which wouldn't solve anything, really.

I disagree, and I'm trying to say that the event should not be considered "unofficial" even if no credits were awarded. It would help regions to grow if parents could see that a Beyblade gathering that their kid would want to go to was considered official by the WBO, and that would go a long way toward getting new players to come out to events and grow a region.

(Jul. 01, 2014  8:37 PM)Naijalak Wrote: At the heart of everything, I believe that BeyPoints should still be given no matter what. That's the core of what most players seem to want.

(Jul. 01, 2014  8:39 PM)Leone19 Wrote: This is why in the OP, I changed it from 6 to 7, as 7 is a bit more reasonable for an official event, especially as Ingulit said that few regions were active (and ranked for that matter)- considering the condition Beyblade is currently in.

Perhaps the 8 could be changed to 7 for offical and ranked events, while then events of 6 or smaller could be unranked, as Ingulit suggested.

(Jul. 01, 2014  8:49 PM)Du@l Wrote: I won't make any further comments on the topic being discussed, as I have said what I have wanted to say, but this thread is for discussing the prospect of lowering the participants needed in an official beyblade tournament, and any other proposals would really belong in a thread of their own.

(Jul. 01, 2014  8:43 PM)Leone19 Wrote:

(Jul. 01, 2014  8:39 PM)Leone19 Wrote: This is why in the OP, I changed it from 6 to 7, as 7 is a bit more reasonable for an official event, especially as Ingulit said that few regions were active (and ranked for that matter)- considering the condition Beyblade is currently in.

Perhaps the 8 could be changed to 7 for offical and ranked events, while then events of 6 or smaller could be unranked, as Ingulit suggested.

(Jul. 02, 2014  4:42 AM)Kai-V Wrote: Just to add to that subject in case it somehow never gets a separate topic : for security purposes, whoever would propose a small unranked 'gathering' would have to have been on the site for many months and have many posts around the site, because with less people at the meetup, we cannot send kids or even young teenagers with just two or three more people including one I do not have more than fifty-percent of trust for. I would say I would enforce this a lot more than in regular Event Proposals where someone needs at least eight confirmed participants who are ideally not cousins, family members, friends, etc.

(Jul. 02, 2014  11:35 AM)Leone19 Wrote: Exactly- why I said it was it's own thing. If its unranked, it wouldn't even be an official event, just a promoted small event.

Agreeing with Dr. Pepsidew about the best suggestion for a 7/6 player event being not gaining lots of faces/credits.

(Jul. 02, 2014  4:42 AM)Kai-V Wrote: Just to add to that subject in case it somehow never gets a separate topic : for security purposes, whoever would propose a small unranked 'gathering' would have to have been on the site for many months and have many posts around the site, because with less people at the meetup, we cannot send kids or even young teenagers with just two or three more people including one I do not have more than fifty-percent of trust for. I would say I would enforce this a lot more than in regular Event Proposals where someone needs at least eight confirmed participants who are ideally not cousins, family members, friends, etc.

(Jul. 02, 2014  6:40 AM)DrPepsidew Wrote: Honestly, I'd hate to have the option of an unranked tournament and I think it's a terrible idea. Yes, it would avoid having the formula changed, but I joined this site to play competitively. I understand that not everyone needs to play competitively and that playing with others is enough, but meeting up with a bunch of people for a day, traveling hours (in some cases) to get there, and at the end of the day you have nothing to say you won? Seems a little pointless...

(Jul. 02, 2014  5:03 PM)Leone19 Wrote: Guys, can we please try to keep this on the topic of simply lowering the participant amount to 7/6, rather than arguing about really unrelated things.

(Jul. 02, 2014  4:14 PM)DrPepsidew Wrote: We don't do it for bragging rights, thanks for that beatdown, we do it because we love competition and having a way to gauge how close or far we are to another blader.

(Jul. 02, 2014  3:39 PM)Ingulit Wrote: It's better to have won a tournament and only have bragging rights than never to be able to be in any tournament in the first place.

(Jul. 02, 2014  4:14 PM)DrPepsidew Wrote: Why be in a tournament if the essence of a tournament is lost? (To get ranked).

(Jul. 02, 2014  4:14 PM)DrPepsidew Wrote: And it would in fact impact our community, people wouldn't even come if it weren't ranked, I assure you.

(Jul. 02, 2014  4:14 PM)DrPepsidew Wrote: I can practice alone, or with a friend. It's called testing.

(Jul. 02, 2014  3:39 PM)Ingulit Wrote: I would much rather be able to play with actual human beings in a tournament even if the number under my username doesn't change than just continuing to play Beyblade by myself ad naseum.

(Jul. 01, 2014  8:52 PM)Ingulit Wrote: You're right, I totally hijacked this thread, holy cow.

(Jul. 01, 2014  8:39 PM)Leone19 Wrote: This is why in the OP, I changed it from 6 to 7, as 7 is a bit more reasonable for an official event, especially as Ingulit said that few regions were active (and ranked for that matter)- considering the condition Beyblade is currently in.

Perhaps the 8 could be changed to 7 for offical and ranked events, while then events of 6 or smaller could be unranked, as Ingulit suggested, but that would be a different discussion.

(Jul. 01, 2014  8:39 PM)Leone19 Wrote: Perhaps the 8 could be changed to 7 for offical and ranked events, while then events of 6 or smaller could be unranked, as Ingulit suggested, but that would be a different discussion.

(Jul. 03, 2014  2:04 AM)RagerBlade Wrote: I think it's best to change it to 7 at this point. 6 doesn't really seem official. It's more like a gathering between friends. A tournament is more around 8 and. I think 7 matches the number and 6 is a little to less.