(Apr. 26, 2021  1:04 PM)g2_ Wrote: I have been arguing against some people that Brave Valkyrie's rubber decreases it's attack power, after doing some testing, I'm 99% confident it's true. I have a fake Brave Valkyrie and it's hits much harder both same spin and opposite spin. I feel like rubber only decreases recoil, which is why it worked so well on things like Lord Spriggan or Drain Fafnir. What do you guys? Could the legendery g2_ be wrong? Just kidding, of course I'm not wrong. I'm g2_. Ok, just kidding, seriously, what do you guys think?

(Apr. 26, 2021  1:57 PM)USN Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  1:04 PM)g2_ Wrote: I have been arguing against some people that Brave Valkyrie's rubber decreases it's attack power, after doing some testing, I'm 99% confident it's true. I have a fake Brave Valkyrie and it's hits much harder both same spin and opposite spin. I feel like rubber only decreases recoil, which is why it worked so well on things like Lord Spriggan or Drain Fafnir. What do you guys? Could the legendery g2_ be wrong? Just kidding, of course I'm not wrong. I'm g2_. Ok, just kidding, seriously, what do you guys think?

you should change your control. A fake beyblade is not a good test subject. Saying rubber decreases recoil is correct but there is a trade off. The rubber on takara tomy products is so hard that it does not really matter except for one thing. Friction. Rubber increases friction which makes your bey hit harder because it is in contact for longer.

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:05 PM)g2_ Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  1:57 PM)USN Wrote: you should change your control. A fake beyblade is not a good test subject. Saying rubber decreases recoil is correct but there is a trade off. The rubber on takara tomy products is so hard that it does not really matter except for one thing. Friction. Rubber increases friction which makes your bey hit harder because it is in contact for longer.

The rubber on my Brave is very soft.

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:05 PM)USN Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:05 PM)g2_ Wrote: The rubber on my Brave is very soft.

Really? You might have a defect. Or a fake.

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:06 PM)g2_ Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:05 PM)USN Wrote: Really? You might have a defect. Or a fake.

My man, it's real.

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:08 PM)USN Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:06 PM)g2_ Wrote: My man, it's real.

Well, I don't know what to tell you. Every bey I have with rubber has hard rubber so yeah...

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:09 PM)g2_ Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:08 PM)USN Wrote: Well, I don't know what to tell you. Every bey I have with rubber has hard rubber so yeah...

It's a mold thing. Rubber decreases recoil.

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:08 PM)USN Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:06 PM)g2_ Wrote: My man, it's real.

Well, I don't know what to tell you. Every bey I have with rubber has hard rubber so yeah...

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:10 PM)valtaoi_007 Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:08 PM)USN Wrote: Well, I don't know what to tell you. Every bey I have with rubber has hard rubber so yeah...

all the beys that should have soft rubber are:
Drain fafnir
Geist fafnir
wizard fafnir (the reason it bursts too much is because of the recoil and friction the soft rubber makes)
Spriggan Requiem
Judgement joker
Lord Spriggan

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:11 PM)USN Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:10 PM)valtaoi_007 Wrote: all the beys that should have soft rubber are:
Drain fafnir
Geist fafnir
wizard fafnir (the reason it bursts too much is because of the recoil and friction the soft rubber makes)
Spriggan Requiem
Judgement joker
Lord Spriggan

My rubber on those is pretty hard.

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:15 PM)valtaoi_007 Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:11 PM)USN Wrote: My rubber on those is pretty hard.

might be because you own them for some time but I am not sure





but rubber increases recoil and absorb damage making you not notice the increase of attack power in some cases
but rubber makes more friction than plastic and it 100% increases recoil
because of the gimmick of fafnirs (which is absorb) no one thinks rubber is better on with attack (thanks to the recoil it makes) than for spin equalisation

but the amount of recoil also depends on the shape of the layer
a layer like judgement, lord and brave are made for the rubber to create friction and increase recoi
and a layer like Drain, jet and mirage have the shape of the rubber better for attack absorbtion


brave is a bad example for this testing as the rubber (as shown in the anime) is used both to attack and to absorb

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g2_

here is something for you to know
Rubber can also be used on layers for offensive or defensive applications of recoil as well. Judgement is an example of offensive use where it's designed to generate a lot of recoil from the impact of the ridge's shape along with the grip preventing the energy of the impact from being overly dispersed.




I got it from here and I dont know if you can trust this but still
https://beysics.blogspot.com/2020/03/recoil.html

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:27 PM)g2_ Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:15 PM)valtaoi_007 Wrote: might be because you own them for some time but I am not sure





but rubber increases recoil and absorb damage making you not notice the increase of attack power in some cases
but rubber makes more friction than plastic and it 100% increases recoil
because of the gimmick of fafnirs (which is absorb) no one thinks rubber is better on with attack (thanks to the recoil it makes) than for spin equalisation

but the amount of recoil also depends on the shape of the layer
a layer like judgement, lord and brave are made for the rubber to create friction and increase recoi
and a layer like Drain, jet and mirage have the shape of the rubber better for attack absorbtion


brave is a bad example for this testing as the rubber (as shown in the anime) is used both to attack and to absorb

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g2_

here is something for you to know
Rubber can also be used on layers for offensive or defensive applications of recoil as well. Judgement is an example of offensive use where it's designed to generate a lot of recoil from the impact of the ridge's shape along with the grip preventing the energy of the impact from being overly dispersed.




I got it from here and I dont know if you can trust this but still
https://beysics.blogspot.com/2020/03/recoil.html

You can’t argue with testing man, when it had plastic, the attack power increased.

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:27 PM)g2_ Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:15 PM)valtaoi_007 Wrote: might be because you own them for some time but I am not sure





but rubber increases recoil and absorb damage making you not notice the increase of attack power in some cases
but rubber makes more friction than plastic and it 100% increases recoil
because of the gimmick of fafnirs (which is absorb) no one thinks rubber is better on with attack (thanks to the recoil it makes) than for spin equalisation

but the amount of recoil also depends on the shape of the layer
a layer like judgement, lord and brave are made for the rubber to create friction and increase recoi
and a layer like Drain, jet and mirage have the shape of the rubber better for attack absorbtion


brave is a bad example for this testing as the rubber (as shown in the anime) is used both to attack and to absorb

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g2_

here is something for you to know
Rubber can also be used on layers for offensive or defensive applications of recoil as well. Judgement is an example of offensive use where it's designed to generate a lot of recoil from the impact of the ridge's shape along with the grip preventing the energy of the impact from being overly dispersed.




I got it from here and I dont know if you can trust this but still
https://beysics.blogspot.com/2020/03/recoil.html

You can’t argue with testing man, when it had plastic, the attack power increased.

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:27 PM)g2_ Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:15 PM)valtaoi_007 Wrote: might be because you own them for some time but I am not sure





but rubber increases recoil and absorb damage making you not notice the increase of attack power in some cases
but rubber makes more friction than plastic and it 100% increases recoil
because of the gimmick of fafnirs (which is absorb) no one thinks rubber is better on with attack (thanks to the recoil it makes) than for spin equalisation

but the amount of recoil also depends on the shape of the layer
a layer like judgement, lord and brave are made for the rubber to create friction and increase recoi
and a layer like Drain, jet and mirage have the shape of the rubber better for attack absorbtion


brave is a bad example for this testing as the rubber (as shown in the anime) is used both to attack and to absorb

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g2_

here is something for you to know
Rubber can also be used on layers for offensive or defensive applications of recoil as well. Judgement is an example of offensive use where it's designed to generate a lot of recoil from the impact of the ridge's shape along with the grip preventing the energy of the impact from being overly dispersed.




I got it from here and I dont know if you can trust this but still
https://beysics.blogspot.com/2020/03/recoil.html

You can’t argue with testing man, when it had plastic, the attack power increased.

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:35 PM)valtaoi_007 Wrote: g2_
also using left spin beys like drain, geist and stuff like that is not a good example either, because opposite spin beys have naturally less recoil
so those only have less recoil because they are on opposite spin

a good thing is maybe a hasbro judgement vs a TT judgement in same spin beys

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:41 PM)g2_ Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:35 PM)valtaoi_007 Wrote: g2_
also using left spin beys like drain, geist and stuff like that is not a good example either, because opposite spin beys have naturally less recoil
so those only have less recoil because they are on opposite spin

a good thing is maybe a hasbro judgement vs a TT judgement in same spin beys

I did Brave fake vs Brave TT with soft rubber. The fake hits way harder. And dude, let's be real for a sec. The fake is identical to the TT one, aside from the material.

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:41 PM)g2_ Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:35 PM)valtaoi_007 Wrote: g2_
also using left spin beys like drain, geist and stuff like that is not a good example either, because opposite spin beys have naturally less recoil
so those only have less recoil because they are on opposite spin

a good thing is maybe a hasbro judgement vs a TT judgement in same spin beys

I did Brave fake vs Brave TT with soft rubber. The fake hits way harder. And dude, let's be real for a sec. The fake is identical to the TT one, aside from the material.

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:43 PM)valtaoi_007 Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:41 PM)g2_ Wrote: I did Brave fake vs Brave TT with soft rubber. The fake hits way harder. And dude, let's be real for a sec. The fake is identical to the TT one, aside from the material.

fakes dont count
and you should not be doing them againt each other! You should create some good combos, do them against the same combos again and again for like 20 times each combo

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:45 PM)valtaoi_007 Wrote: can we just close this thread already
this guy is too stubborn and he think he is knows more about the laws of physics than the guy that created them

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:46 PM)g2_ Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:43 PM)valtaoi_007 Wrote: fakes dont count
and you should not be doing them againt each other! You should create some good combos, do them against the same combos again and again for like 20 times each combo

Fakes do count, don't be a Karen. Yes they are iliegel, but they prove my point.

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(Apr. 26, 2021  2:45 PM)valtaoi_007 Wrote: can we just close this thread already
this guy is too stubborn and he think he is knows more about the laws of physics than the guy that created them

What the hell is your problem? Chill out pal.

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:44 PM)KerbeusKmie Wrote: How about Judgement,how can it be a meta layer back in GT if rubber makes it hit weaker? We have other layer Knockout,Slash,Ace,
As far as I know ,rubber have more friction, especially in same spin

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:46 PM)g2_ Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:43 PM)valtaoi_007 Wrote: fakes dont count
and you should not be doing them againt each other! You should create some good combos, do them against the same combos again and again for like 20 times each combo

Fakes do count, don't be a Karen. Yes they are iliegel, but they prove my point.