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Phoenix P4 Testing and Discussion - ks123 - Apr. 06, 2019

Phoenix P4 0Cross Friction-S (non S mode) vs Spryzen Requiem S3 7Glaive Destroy ®
Results:

Spoiler (Click to View)

P4 Win Ratio: 30%
S3 Win Ratio: 70%

More test coming soon!

RE: Phoenix P4 Testing Thread - Ardmore Bladers - Apr. 06, 2019

(Apr. 06, 2019 5:33 PM)ks123 Wrote: Phoenix P4 0Cross Friction-S (non S mode) vs Spryzen Requiem S3 7Glaive Destroy ®
Results:

Spoiler (Click to View)

P4 OS

S3 OS

P4 OS

S3 KO

S3 OS

P4 OS

S3 OS

S3 OS

S3 OS

S3 OS

P4 Win Ratio: 70%
S3 Win Ratio: 30%

More test coming soon!

I think you might have the win ratios messed up Smile

RE: Phoenix P4 Testing Thread - ks123 - Apr. 06, 2019

(Apr. 06, 2019 7:01 PM)Ardmore Bladers Wrote:
(Apr. 06, 2019 5:33 PM)ks123 Wrote: Phoenix P4 0Cross Friction-S (non S mode) vs Spryzen Requiem S3 7Glaive Destroy ®
Results:

Spoiler (Click to View)

P4 OS

S3 OS

P4 OS

S3 KO

S3 OS

P4 OS

S3 OS

S3 OS

S3 OS

S3 OS

P4 Win Ratio: 70%
S3 Win Ratio: 30%

More test coming soon!
I think you might have the win ratios messed up

Sorry! Now this is fixed Smile

RE: Phoenix P4 Testing and Discussion - kjrules17 - Sep. 08, 2019

Here are some tests I did with Phoenix P4 (Revive Phoenix). As far as weights go, I weighed the Revive Armor and got 4.15 grams, the Revive Core was 7.72 grams, and the full Phoenix P4 Layer was 11.87 grams. The first section was testing Same and Opposite Spin Stamina against Caynox C3, Balkesh B3, Garuda G3, and Spryzen Requiem S3. The second section was testing KO Attack and comparing its performance to Xcalius X3, one of the best Hasbro Right Spin Attack Layers we have right now.

Disclaimer (Click to View)

Section 1: Same & Opposite Spin Stamina (Click to View)

I used 7 Bearing when Phoenix P4 faced Caynox C3 and Balkesh B3 and 7 Atomic when Phoenix P4 faced Garuda G3 and Spryzen Requiem S3. Discs and Drivers were switched halfway through the tests. I also wrote down whenever the Revive Armor came off during battle.

Tests (Click to View)

Section 2: KO Attack (Click to View)

Final Thoughts (Click to View)

RE: Phoenix P4 Testing and Discussion - Nate the Blader - Sep. 10, 2019

(Sep. 08, 2019 11:32 PM)kjrules17 Wrote: Here are some tests I did with Phoenix P4 (Revive Phoenix). As far as weights go, I weighed the Revive Armor and got 4.15 grams, the Revive Core was 7.72 grams, and the full Phoenix P4 Layer was 11.87 grams. The first section was testing Same and Opposite Spin Stamina against Caynox C3, Balkesh B3, Garuda G3, and Spryzen Requiem S3. The second section was testing KO Attack and comparing its performance to Xcalius X3, one of the best Hasbro Right Spin Attack Layers we have right now.

Section 1: Same & Opposite Spin Stamina (Click to View)
I used 7 Bearing when Phoenix P4 faced Caynox C3 and Balkesh B3 and 7 Atomic when Phoenix P4 faced Garuda G3 and Spryzen Requiem S3. Discs and Drivers were switched halfway through the tests. I also wrote down whenever the Revive Armor came off during battle.

Tests (Click to View)

Phoenix P4 7 Bearing (Odd) vs. Caynox C3 7 Bearing (Even) - Switch Discs And Drivers After 10 Battles

Spoiler (Click to View)

C3 OS

C3 OS (Armor Came Off)

C3 OS (Armor Came Off)

C3 OS

C3 OS (Armor Came Off)

C3 OS

C3 OS

C3 OS (Armor Came Off)

C3 OS

P4 OS (Armor Came Off)

C3 OS

C3 OS

C3 OS

C3 OS

C3 OS

C3 OS

C3 OS

C3 OS

C3 OS

C3 OS

- P4.7.Br: 1 OS (5% Win Rate)
- C3.7.Br: 19 OS (95% Win Rate)

Battles 1-10: P4 had 7 (1) and Br (3), C3 had 7 (2) and Br (4)
Battles 11-20: P4 had 7 (2) and Br (4), C3 had 7 (1) and Br (3)

Phoenix P4 7 Bearing (Odd) vs. Balkesh B3 7 Bearing (Even) - Switch Discs And Drivers After 10 Battles

Spoiler (Click to View)

B3 OS

B3 OS

B3 OS

B3 OS (Armor Came Off)

P4 OS (Armor Came Off)

B3 OS

B3 OS

P4 OS

B3 OS

P4 OS (Armor Came Off)

B3 OS

B3 OS

B3 OS

B3 OS

B3 OS

B3 OS

B3 OS

B3 OS

B3 OS

B3 OS

- P4.7.Br: 3 OS (15% Win Rate)
- B3.7.Br: 17 OS (85% Win Rate)

Battles 1-10: P4 had 7 (1) and Br (3), B3 had 7 (2) and Br (4)
Battles 11-20: P4 had 7 (2) and Br (4), B3 had 7 (1) and Br (3)

Phoenix P4 7 Atomic (Odd) vs. Garuda G3 7 Atomic (Even) - Switch Discs And Drivers After 10 Battles

Spoiler (Click to View)

G3 OS

G3 OS

G3 OS

G3 OS

G3 OS

G3 OS

G3 OS

G3 OS

G3 OS

G3 OS

G3 OS (Armor Came Off)

G3 OS

G3 OS (Armor Came Off)

G3 OS (Armor Came Off)

G3 OS (Armor Came Off)

G3 OS

G3 OS

G3 OS

G3 OS

G3 OS

- P4.7.At: 0 Wins (0% Win Rate)
- G3.7.At: 20 OS (100% Win Rate)

Battles 1-10: P4 had 7 (1) and At (1), G3 had 7 (2) and At (2)
Battles 11-20: P4 had 7 (2) and At (2), G3 had 7 (1) and At (1)

Phoenix P4 7 Atomic (Odd) vs. (Left Spin) Spryzen Requiem S3 7 Atomic (Even) - Switch Discs And Drivers After 10 Battles

Spoiler (Click to View)

P4 OS (Armor Came Off)

P4 OS (Armor Came Off)

P4 OS (Armor Came Off)

P4 KO

P4 OS (Armor Came Off)

P4 OS (Armor Came Off)

SRS3 OS

SRS3 KO

SRS3 OS

SRS3 Burst

SRS3 OS

P4 OS (Armor Came Off)

P4 OS (Armor Came Off)

P4 OS (Armor Came Off)

SRS3 OS

SRS3 Burst

SRS3 OS

P4 KO

P4 OS

P4 OS (Armor Came Off)

- P4.7.At: 10 OS, 2 KO (60% Win Rate)
- SRS3.7.At: 5 OS, 2 Burst, 1 KO (40% Win Rate)

Battles 1-10: P4 had 7 (1) and At (1), SRS3 had 7 (2) and At (2)
Battles 11-20: P4 had 7 (2) and At (2), SRS3 had 7 (1) and At (1)

Phoenix P4 7 Atomic (Odd) vs. (Right Spin) Spryzen Requiem S3 7 Atomic (Even) - Switch Discs And Drivers After 10 Battles

Spoiler (Click to View)

SRS3 OS

SRS3 OS (Armor Came Off)

SRS3 OS (Armor Came Off)

SRS3 OS (Armor Came Off)

SRS3 OS (Armor Came Off)

SRS3 OS (Armor Came Off)

SRS3 OS (Armor Came Off)

SRS3 OS (Armor Came Off)

SRS3 OS (Armor Came Off)

SRS3 OS (Armor Came Off)

SRS3 OS (Armor Came Off)

P4 OS (Armor Came Off)

SRS3 OS (Armor Came Off)

P4 OS (Armor Came Off)

SRS3 OS (Armor Came Off)

P4 OS (Armor Came Off)

SRS3 OS (Armor Came Off)

P4 OS

SRS3 Burst (Armor Came Off)

SRS3 OS (Armor Came Off)

- P4.7.At: 4 OS (20% Win Rate)
- SRS3.7.At: 15 OS, 1 Burst (80% Win Rate)

Battles 1-10: P4 had 7 (1) and At (1), SRS3 had 7 (2) and At (2)
Battles 11-20: P4 had 7 (2) and At (2), SRS3 had 7 (1) and At (1)

Section 2: KO Attack (Click to View)
After having Xcalius X3 00Bump Hunter face Caynox C3 7 Bearing, I used Phoenix P4 on the same setup as Xcalius X3 to compare performance. I also wrote down whenever the Revive Armor came off during battle.

Benchmark (Click to View)

Caynox C3 7 Bearing (First) vs. Xcalius X3 00Bump Hunter (Second Sliding Shoot)

Spoiler (Click to View)

X3 KO

X3 KO

X3 Burst

X3 KO

X3 KO

X3 Burst

X3 Burst

X3 Burst

X3 Burst

X3 Burst

- C3.7.Br: 0 Wins (0% Win Rate)
- X3.00B.Hn: 6 Burst, 4 KO (100% Win Rate)

Test (Click to View)

Caynox C3 7 Bearing (First) vs. Phoenix P4 00Bump Hunter (Second Sliding Shoot)

Spoiler (Click to View)

C3 OS

C3 OS (Armor Came Off)

C3 OS

C3 OS (Armor Came Off)

C3 OS (Armor Came Off)

C3 OS (Armor Came Off)

P4 Burst (Armor Came Off)

C3 OS (Armor Came Off)

C3 OS (Armor Came Off)

C3 OS (Armor Came Off)

- C3.7.Br: 9 OS (90% Win Rate)
- P4.00B.Hn: 1 Burst (10% Win Rate)

Final Thoughts (Click to View)
In the first section, Phoenix P4 did pretty bad against its Same Spin opponents. However, it did do better against its Opposite Spin opponents. If the Revive Armor came off, it could increase its chances of getting an outspin on its opponent. In the second section, Phoenix P4 was pretty bad when used for Attack. While bursting Caynox C3 is possible, it's very difficult because if the Revive Armor comes off (and it did most of the time), Phoenix P4 loses some of its weight, which makes it harder to win in that scenario. You'll probably hear me say this a lot but, overall, just like other Layers I've tested recently, you'd probably be better off using something else. The Revive Armor can be a blessing or a curse depending on the scenario, which can make it risky to use, which is why I wouldn't take that chance. The Layer I'll probably test next is Spiral Treptune T4.

Interesting, thanks Kj