(Jul. 29, 2020  12:40 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jul. 29, 2020  12:39 PM)Vtryuga Wrote: Well physics at least in real life can be used to improve a beys performance; so it is entirely possible that gwyn designed a bey that was strong from the physics perspective

I don't particularly mind that. He still shouldn't have been as strong as he was.

(Jul. 29, 2020  12:48 PM)Vtryuga Wrote:

(Jul. 29, 2020  12:40 PM)Admiral W Wrote: I don't particularly mind that. He still shouldn't have been as strong as he was.

Well all antagonists are potrayed like that even phi was potrayed like that. Just that in Gt's case it was completely rushed

(Jul. 29, 2020  1:34 AM)kai edits Wrote:

(Jul. 29, 2020  1:32 AM)g2_ Wrote: It's ok, you are good man .

Thanks for saying that

(Jul. 29, 2020  1:34 PM)Admiral W Wrote: If you could make your ideal season of Beyblade, what would it include? What would the story be?

(Jul. 29, 2020  1:38 PM)SunBlader98 Wrote:

(Jul. 29, 2020  1:34 PM)Admiral W Wrote: If you could make your ideal season of Beyblade, what would it include? What would the story be?

I would do something like the metal fight bladers get revived in burst gen and the vilians of burst all come togather and put there beys and a ultimate nemesis like the name probaly nemesis requim and the then burst legends + mfb legends

(Jul. 29, 2020  1:34 PM)Admiral W Wrote: If you could make your ideal season of Beyblade, what would it include? What would the story be?

(Jul. 29, 2020  12:36 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jul. 29, 2020  5:05 AM)Zeutron Wrote: I mean, surely math had to be one of the causes of his sudden power boost, why else would he gain strength so fast? Yes, plot armour is one reason but I wouldn’t say math doesn’t equal skill in the fictional beyblade universe? The writers/Morita obviously involved the concept of math for a reason. Gwynn’s whole goal was to effectively prove his calculations were perfect and superior to friendship, emotion and real bonding and while his use of math definitely made him strong, it was proven that his calculations didn’t truly make his blading perfect as he predicted and at the end of the day friendship prevailed. As for superior turbo, surely it has some meaning/cause since gold turbo and dark turbo do.

Gold turbo: occurs when the blader and bey have a super strong bond and want to battle as one.

Dark Turbo: The same as gold turbo but it instead is fuelled by an evil bond made up of negative emotions/desires.

Superior turbo (my interpretation) an artificial bond 
created by (seemingly) math and a bey/blader who work towards a common goal but are not particularly friends/close partners (implied from Gwynns interactions with genesis).
 
Apart from math we also have to consider the fact that Gwynn based his beys design on both Prime apocalypse and Imperial Dragon, two beys that were extremely powerful at that time.

My gripe is that his level of power is unreasonable to me. After only a couple of days he's destroying bladers left and right all due to math?  I can't subscribe to that. It's too ridiculous.

(Jul. 29, 2020  12:52 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jul. 29, 2020  12:48 PM)Vtryuga Wrote: Well all antagonists are potrayed like that even phi was potrayed like that. Just that in Gt's case it was completely rushed

But the difference is, Gwyn was a newbie Blader. It was unreasonable that he became so powerful in a matter of days. Neither Phi, Hyde, Lui, or Arthur were newbies.

(Jul. 29, 2020  12:52 PM)Admiral W Wrote: But the difference is, Gwyn was a newbie Blader. It was unreasonable that he became so powerful in a matter of days. Neither Phi, Hyde, Lui, or Arthur were newbies.

(Jul. 29, 2020  9:01 PM)snoc Wrote:

(Jul. 29, 2020  12:52 PM)Admiral W Wrote: But the difference is, Gwyn was a newbie Blader. It was unreasonable that he became so powerful in a matter of days. Neither Phi, Hyde, Lui, or Arthur were newbies.

Not really. He had already spent time making various strategies and an ultimate bey, all he had to do was apply hose to actually blading. After he made his first launch he got the hang of it, then actually applied all the various strategies and calculations and stuff.

(Jul. 29, 2020  9:53 PM)LOL-y Rancher Wrote:

(Jul. 29, 2020  12:52 PM)Admiral W Wrote: But the difference is, Gwyn was a newbie Blader. It was unreasonable that he became so powerful in a matter of days. Neither Phi, Hyde, Lui, or Arthur were newbies.

Gwynn is a quick learner and a problem solver who has figured out every single problems, equations and questions thrown at him so it made sense that he was able to figure out Beyblading quickly.

(Jul. 29, 2020  8:26 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jul. 29, 2020  12:36 PM)Admiral W Wrote: My gripe is that his level of power is unreasonable to me. After only a couple of days he's destroying bladers left and right all due to math?  I can't subscribe to that. It's too ridiculous.

While I admit that him being overpowered may be ridiculous, I would still think that math would make sense since it’s explanation instead of nothing.

(Jul. 30, 2020  12:20 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jul. 29, 2020  9:01 PM)snoc Wrote: Not really. He had already spent time making various strategies and an ultimate bey, all he had to do was apply hose to actually blading. After he made his first launch he got the hang of it, then actually applied all the various strategies and calculations and stuff.

He had just gotten into blading. Blading experience plays a huge part in a bladers ability. What your basically saying that he use of math was all he needed to be on the level of these other powerful bladers.

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(Jul. 29, 2020  9:53 PM)LOL-y Rancher Wrote: Gwynn is a quick learner and a problem solver who has figured out every single problems, equations and questions thrown at him so it made sense that he was able to figure out Beyblading quickly.

There have been many Bladers who were quick learners but it took them much more than a few days to stand alongside extremely powerful bladers.

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(Jul. 29, 2020  8:26 PM)Zeutron Wrote: While I admit that him being overpowered may be ridiculous, I would still think that math would make sense since it’s explanation instead of nothing.

I'm not saying that math can't assist in some way when it comes to blading. But for him to be that powerful based off math and only a few days worth of blading experience is the part that I find ridiculous.

(Jul. 30, 2020  12:20 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jul. 29, 2020  9:01 PM)snoc Wrote: Not really. He had already spent time making various strategies and an ultimate bey, all he had to do was apply hose to actually blading. After he made his first launch he got the hang of it, then actually applied all the various strategies and calculations and stuff.

He had just gotten into blading. Blading experience plays a huge part in a bladers ability. What your basically saying that he use of math was all he needed to be on the level of these other powerful bladers.

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(Jul. 29, 2020  9:53 PM)LOL-y Rancher Wrote: Gwynn is a quick learner and a problem solver who has figured out every single problems, equations and questions thrown at him so it made sense that he was able to figure out Beyblading quickly.

There have been many Bladers who were quick learners but it took them much more than a few days to stand alongside extremely powerful bladers.

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(Jul. 29, 2020  8:26 PM)Zeutron Wrote: While I admit that him being overpowered may be ridiculous, I would still think that math would make sense since it’s explanation instead of nothing.

I'm not saying that math can't assist in some way when it comes to blading. But for him to be that powerful based off math and only a few days worth of blading experience is the part that I find ridiculous.

(Jul. 30, 2020  12:53 AM)snoc Wrote:

(Jul. 30, 2020  12:20 AM)Admiral W Wrote: He had just gotten into blading. Blading experience plays a huge part in a bladers ability. What your basically saying that he use of math was all he needed to be on the level of these other powerful bladers.

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There have been many Bladers who were quick learners but it took them much more than a few days to stand alongside extremely powerful bladers.

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I'm not saying that math can't assist in some way when it comes to blading. But for him to be that powerful based off math and only a few days worth of blading experience is the part that I find ridiculous.

Yeah, but everyone else went into blading clueless. he had already had an almost perfect strategy and calculations, so after the first match where he learned how to launch he was able to put those strategies to use. And he still does get strong over time as his bond grows with Genesis as well. Its a combination of insane skill and strong bond with your bey, and Gwyn just happened to get the skill more early on since instead of having to do a lot of trial and error he had already made a near perfect strategy on his own. And either way Even if he didn't have a strong bond or smarts, the genesis beys are just powerful in general.

(Jul. 30, 2020  1:33 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jul. 30, 2020  12:53 AM)snoc Wrote: Yeah, but everyone else went into blading clueless. he had already had an almost perfect strategy and calculations, so after the first match where he learned how to launch he was able to put those strategies to use. And he still does get strong over time as his bond grows with Genesis as well. Its a combination of insane skill and strong bond with your bey, and Gwyn just happened to get the skill more early on since instead of having to do a lot of trial and error he had already made a near perfect strategy on his own. And either way Even if he didn't have a strong bond or smarts, the genesis beys are just powerful in general.

But it was only a few days. That's the part that makes it unreasonable. There's no amount of math and foreknowledge that will make that make sense. It took years for many of these bladers to get where they are, so you're telling me that all you need is knowledge of math and a strong bey and you can already outstrip them in power in a matter of days?

(Jul. 30, 2020  1:37 AM)snoc Wrote:

(Jul. 30, 2020  1:33 AM)Admiral W Wrote: But it was only a few days. That's the part that makes it unreasonable. There's no amount of math and foreknowledge that will make that make sense. It took years for many of these bladers to get where they are, so you're telling me that all you need is knowledge of math and a strong bey and you can already outstrip them in power in a matter of days?

You're completely missing a point I made. He didn't just randomly get into blading with no knowledge of it and quickly calculated everything to become strong. He had spent who knows how long studying and making various strategies as well as creating a strong bey. After getting his launch down all he had to do is put those strategies into action, and keep battling over time to unlock genesis, so then he can make a bond. And you know that Gwyn isn't on the power level of the people who trained for years like Valt......right?

(Jul. 30, 2020  1:53 AM)Vtryuga Wrote: Uve got to understand that even though it seems that gywn became strong very fast, it is possible in real life using physics to make a beyblade that can beat the top combo. While he had to master the launch it is easily possible to win in a battle with less experience, we have seen so many times that younger and less experienced bladers defeat the older ones in tournaments in real life

(Jul. 30, 2020  1:45 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jul. 30, 2020  1:37 AM)snoc Wrote: You're completely missing a point I made. He didn't just randomly get into blading with no knowledge of it and quickly calculated everything to become strong. He had spent who knows how long studying and making various strategies as well as creating a strong bey. After getting his launch down all he had to do is put those strategies into action, and keep battling over time to unlock genesis, so then he can make a bond. And you know that Gwyn isn't on the power level of the people who trained for years like Valt......right?

We have no evidence that he was doing that. We saw him observing Arthur and Aiger's battle, that was the first battle he saw and there was no indication he was thinking up strategies based off that match. And again we never heard him even talk about launching techniques or launching trajectories. In fact it was Drum who had to teach him how to launch properly. I know he's not on the level of Valt, but he surpassed Delta (a blading prodigy) and Drum in days. Both those bladers had been blading for quite some time not to mention that Delta was a risen 3 member. The amount of power he gained in a couple of days was ridiculous.

(Jul. 30, 2020  2:11 AM)snoc Wrote:

(Jul. 30, 2020  1:45 AM)Admiral W Wrote: We have no evidence that he was doing that. We saw him observing Arthur and Aiger's battle, that was the first battle he saw and there was no indication he was thinking up strategies based off that match. And again we never heard him even talk about launching techniques or launching trajectories. In fact it was Drum who had to teach him how to launch properly. I know he's not on the level of Valt, but he surpassed Delta (a blading prodigy) and Drum in days. Both those bladers had been blading for quite some time not to mention that Delta was a risen 3 member. The amount of power he gained in a couple of days was ridiculous.

It literally showed him watching the Arthur battle and said he had studied other battles,beys, among variou other math related formulas to make the powercore system as the ultimate system. And yes, I know he had to learn how to launch properly. You still continue to miss the point. Once he learned how to launch, all he had to do was put his strategies into action and battle more and more to unlock Genesis, then he can also create a bond. The amount of power he gained wasn't "ridiculous". Delta was a blading prodigy, but he was still not very strong compared to the later beys in the season. he had power, but still is able to lose. To keep it short he lost to arthur, why would he win against Genesis, especially Eclipse Genesis. And Drum had a very gradually rise up and they made it very clear Drum had just risen to about Gwyn's level. 

tl;dr: you keep missing the point. After learning to lunch Gwyn just put everything into the actual battle and then unlocked genesis, getting even stronger. he also made better and better strategies over time and even improved his infinite lock system. He started strong, ended strong. Delta lost to Arthur, so why would he win again Genesis, especially Eclipse Genesis. And Drum was just barely at Gwyn's level either way. The amount of power he gained was not ridiculous.

(Jul. 30, 2020  2:15 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jul. 30, 2020  2:11 AM)snoc Wrote: It literally showed him watching the Arthur battle and said he had studied other battles,beys, among variou other math related formulas to make the powercore system as the ultimate system. And yes, I know he had to learn how to launch properly. You still continue to miss the point. Once he learned how to launch, all he had to do was put his strategies into action and battle more and more to unlock Genesis, then he can also create a bond. The amount of power he gained wasn't "ridiculous". Delta was a blading prodigy, but he was still not very strong compared to the later beys in the season. he had power, but still is able to lose. To keep it short he lost to arthur, why would he win against Genesis, especially Eclipse Genesis. And Drum had a very gradually rise up and they made it very clear Drum had just risen to about Gwyn's level. 

tl;dr: you keep missing the point. After learning to lunch Gwyn just put everything into the actual battle and then unlocked genesis, getting even stronger. he also made better and better strategies over time and even improved his infinite lock system. He started strong, ended strong. Delta lost to Arthur, so why would he win again Genesis, especially Eclipse Genesis. And Drum was just barely at Gwyn's level either way. The amount of power he gained was not ridiculous.

I don't know what strategies your talking about. Do you have an example of one? I don't have a gripe with Gwyn getting stronger, it's the degree of strength he achieved in a few short days is what I have a problem with.