(Sep. 25, 2017  5:53 PM)MonoDragon Wrote: How about an attack vs attack, sX vs lS (with more stamina conserving tips to prevent "launched second wins") and see how well they fair against each other directly?

(Sep. 25, 2017  9:04 PM)Kei Wrote:

(Sep. 25, 2017  5:53 PM)MonoDragon Wrote: How about an attack vs attack, sX vs lS (with more stamina conserving tips to prevent "launched second wins") and see how well they fair against each other directly?

It could go either way since it's Attack vs. Attack, but Legend Spriggan does have observably better Stamina than Sieg Xcalibur.

Also worth mentioning that sX destroys gZ pretty handily; I find it does better against it than lS does (although I know you haven't liked gZ in general TrainiacJ).

(Sep. 26, 2017  12:58 AM)Ultra Wrote: Guardian Kerbeus 6/10 with 100%?

(Sep. 26, 2017  12:02 AM)1234beyblade Wrote: How do you even get a 60% win rate against dF, even when I tested sX on Variable it could barely win at all.  Also 7>4, Kei found out the hard way last tournament.

The conclusion I also fell has a lot of false info, aC gets destroyed by both lS and sX quite consistently, dF should have an around 80% win rate against sX and lS (when launch power is about 20-10%) (sX can KO dF more than lS but there should never be a burst finish for the attacker against dF or else you're doing it wrong), and lastly gK and lS do not deal with mG very well at all (stalling against gK, and really weak launch against lS), this is obviously if the blader knows what to do but ignorance is not an excuse.

I obviously don't do formal tests, I only get info from tournaments and my personal strategy development from testing in certain situations so take this as you will.  Don't really feel like justifying my claims.

(Sep. 26, 2017  5:32 AM)1234beyblade Wrote: Honestly when has anyone cared when i posted tests. my 6 hours of hell testing for limited format was straight up ignored (I only keep mentioning this because this was the most effort i ever put into testing something), i just stopped caring for this communities knowledge, especially since beyblade itself is dying.  I'm gonna continue not doing formal tests and just posting my thoughts on stuff because it's a waste of time to try and support something through tests and im sure trainiac will get to feel how i felt back then some day.

(only in toronto i have no idea what it's like in LA or whatever other place) Also yes i do feel like there is tiers on knowledge and that myself and kei are up there, people just DONT CARE enough, and honestly it's a huge turn off to even continue playing beyblade because the competitive spirit, at least here in toronto has been dying since 2013 (my teammates from team osu also quit so that sucks a lot, they were the highest priority for me to see at tournaments and now they're gone).  I'm happy that people like tahoor, newtype, and so on are getting into competitive, but seriously it's just been so bad that i can only truly play meta against Kei, im sick of having to use safe combos because my opponent is just that predictable.  This brings up another problem, the bey point system is broken, you have to use safe combos against newbies because you dont want to lose that number (since i have an extremely competitive nature that number means a lot to me)

I dont care anymore, give me a warning level for all i care, beyblade has been dying in spirit for me for a long time, it doesnt satisfy my competitive nature anymore and that's my problem, that's why i act with that attitude.

Edit: just want to add a real time example, the competitive tier list that i took time to put together for people to build off of hasn't been discussed further in like... a long time now... the tier list should be complete by now... but no, no one cares.

(Sep. 26, 2017  8:04 AM)Rebel Blader Wrote: the first excalibur has one strong point of contact the sword which made it good for attack,but could someone tell what makes sX good for attack i know its heavy but i do not seee any hyper-aggressive contact points.

(Sep. 25, 2017  5:15 PM)TrainiacJ Wrote:
fixed, lol

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So, I was expecting sX to be like lS. An attacking god, making the metagame healthier and more exciting. Well, it kind of is? It's complicated.

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Metal Sieg Xcalibur 7Meteor Xtreme vs. Alter Chronos 4Glaive Atomic

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msX7MX - 6/10
aC4GAt - 4/10
Xcalibur Win Rate - 60%

This was a nice surprise! Compared to lS, which only got 2 wins against aC in it's testing (and that was with 2C on aC, 4G should be better!), sX got more wins than losses! It seems the key to winning with sX is to land a good hit early on and get a KO/Burst. Any later and the sheer weight of the beyblade pulls itself out of the flower pattern and it gets OS'd.

Metal Sieg Xcalibur 7Meteor Xtreme vs. Drain Fafnir 4Glaive Atomic

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msX7MX - 6/10
dF4GAt - 4/10
Xcalibur Win Rate - 60%

While the score was the same as the aC testing, dF burst way easier to sX compared to sX against aC. I think someone more competent at using attack beys than myself would be able to get better results, but 6/10 still isn't bad, I suppose, haha.

Metal Sieg Xcalibur 7Meteor Xtreme vs. Guardian Kerbeus 4Glaive Revolve

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msX7MX - 10/10
gK4GR - 0/10
Xcalibur Win Rate - 100%

idk what i was expecting. gK gets pretty hard-countered by attack, haha.

Metal Sieg Xcalibur 7Meteor Xtreme vs. Maximum Garuda 4Glaive Atomic

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msX7MX - 5/10
mG4GAt - 5/10
Xcalibur Win Rate - 50%

I don't get it either. sX can get some good bursts off on mG, but it doesn't fare as well as lS does against mG.

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Overall, Sieg Xcalibur looks like a decent alternative to Legend Spriggan. It takes care of Alter Chronos and Drain Fafnir with far more ease than Legend Spriggan, and both sX and lS can delete Guardian Kerbeus pretty easily too. However, its performance against Maximum Garuda is a bit worrying. But since Legend Spriggan and Guardian Kerbeus can counter mG pretty well, I don't think it'll be too big of an issue.

(Sep. 30, 2017  9:42 PM)Mage Wrote: Just did a little free-play with sX and I've found that it can actually burst dF every so often. As long as it gets the big initial hits, sX can burst dF.

(Sep. 30, 2017  10:47 PM)Kei Wrote:

(Sep. 30, 2017  9:42 PM)Mage Wrote: Just did a little free-play with sX and I've found that it can actually burst dF every so often. As long as it gets the big initial hits, sX can burst dF.

Anything is certainly possible, but the question here is how were you launching dF and how consistent is sX against dF overall? In my experience, not very.

(Sep. 30, 2017  11:10 PM)Mage Wrote: While I do concur that bursting dF is not always consistent but isn't that attack types in general? They're all a high risk high reward type and it's a gamble to use an attack type anyways. I launched dF at 10% power by pulling the string on the launcher about 5 inches with mediocre speed, and sX with full power. I do have 2 viable Xtremes tho. One is a lot faster but also self KOs sometines, the other is a good balance between speed and control. So basically attack types are all inconsistent IMO

(Oct. 16, 2017  11:05 PM)ptf606 Wrote: Is it still worth it to get lS even after I got sX?