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Spryzen S2 Testing & Discussion - Wombat - Aug. 08, 2017
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Spryzen S2 Testing & Discussion
(the first rule of chessclub is that you don't talk about chessclub)
Spryzen S2 Testing & Discussion
Spryzen S2 is one of the several Energy Layers that was buffed by Hasbro - while the Takara Tomy version's potential in Attack was ruined by its awful teeth, the Hasbro version has greatly increased its burst resistance, meaning it may now be useful as an attacker.
Testing equipment/conditions/etc.
- B-08 Mold 1 Burst Stadium
- String Launcher used for everything except S2HS, which was launched with the Sword Launcher
- Attacker always launched second, KO & Mixed Attack always Sliding Shot, Burst Attack straight shot
- Variable is at the first stage of woke-ness (worn to be even with the outer ring of spikes)
- Weird disk choice on Hasbros is just whatever fits tightest for me while also not sucking (Jerk is somehow my tightest disk on most Hasbro combos)
- Neptune has seen over a year of heavy use, so it's a bit worn
- Revolve & Atomic Sliding Shot vs. KO/Mixed Attack, Atomic stalled vs Burst Attack
Spryzen S2 as a KO Attacker
Spryzen S2 Gravity Variable vs. Neptune Yell Revolve
S2.G.V: 9 wins (8 KO, 1 Burst)
N.Y.R: 11 wins (2 KO, 1 Burst, 8 OS)
S2.G.V win rate: 45%
Not too shabby, but a lot of recoil (both of Neptune's KOs were from S2's recoil). It feels a lot less sluggish than Valtyrek V2 to say the least.
Spryzen S2 Gravity Variable vs. Blaze Ragnaruk 4Glaive Atomic
S2.G.V: 5 wins (4 KO, 1 Burst)
bR.4G.At: 15 wins (3 KO, 11 Burst, 1 OS)
2 ties redone
S2.G.V win rate: 25%
Not nearly as one sided as these results make it seem - while bR does have a moderate amount of Burst Attack itself, more often than not, when bR would burst S2, it would be on its last tooth. If I had used a tighter Disk or a less self-burst-prone Driver than Variable it could have easily gone the other way. Which prompted me to try
Spryzen S2 as a Burst Attacker
Spryzen S2 Heavy Survive vs. Blaze Ragnaruk 4Glaive Atomic
S2.H.S: 6 wins (5 Burst, 1 OS)
bR.4G.At: 14 wins (1 Burst, 13 OS)
3 ties redone
S2.H.S win rate: 30%
This wasn't a very well thought out test looking back. It was mostly Atomic doing the work avoiding S2 for as long as possible, so I didn't really get a good measurement of how S2 stacked up Burst Attack wise. S2's one OS came from when bR happened upon the flat part of Atomic and spun out (thats what i get for buying a $7 loose atomic on yja i guess).
Spryzen S2 as a Mixed Attacker
Spryzen S2 Gravity Accel vs. blaze Ragnaruk 4Glaive Atomic
S2.G.A: 12 wins (6 KO, 4 Burst, 2 OS)
bR.4G.At: 8 wins (1 KO, 3 Burst, 4 OS)
1 tie redone
S2.G.A win rate: 60%
Not much to say about this combo except that I really liked it - I think Spryzen S2 might even be a better Mixed Attacker than Zillion Zeus. The 2 OSes came from the flat part of my Atomic again.
Benchmarks
Victory Valkyrie Knuckle Xtreme vs. Neptune Yell Revolve
V2.K.X: 13 wins (11 KO, 2 Burst)
N.Y.R: 7 wins (3 Burst, 4 OS)
V2.K.X win rate: 65%
Victory Valkyrie Knuckle Xtreme vs. Blaze Ragnaruk 4Glaive Atomic
V2.K.X: 9 wins (all KO)
bR.4G.At: 11 wins (3 Burst, 8 OS)
2 ties redone
V2.K.X win rate: 45%
despite what happened the last time i tried to use it in a tournament i'm good with v2 i swear
Valtyrek 2Cross Accel vs. blaze Ragnaruk 4Glaive Atomic
V.2C.A: 4 wins (2 KO, 2 Burst)
bR.4G.At: 16 wins (1 KO, 10 Burst, 5 OS)
1 tie redone
V.2C.A win rate: 20%
Starting to think Valkyrie/Valtyrek is outclassed for KO/Mixed Attack. It's been almost a year since I've used a mint Valkyrie but at least in Valtyrek's case its rotational recoil definitely seems to be more than it can handle against a lot of the smoother, stronger toothed God Beys.
So overall Spryzen S2 has a good amount of KO Attack and a averageish amount of Burst Attack, so where I've found it really shines is on a Mixed Attacker - you can launch as hard as you want to get the most RPM to burst things without worrying about Variable self-KOing or self-bursting, while S2's oval shape provides most of the KOing power.
RE: Spryzen S2 Testing & Discussion - Red Eye - Aug. 09, 2017
Thanks wombat
RE: Spryzen S2 Testing & Discussion - Rebel Blader - Aug. 09, 2017
i knew it had poential can u do some tests aginst unicrest and tt D2?
RE: Spryzen S2 Testing & Discussion - Wombat - Aug. 09, 2017
(Aug. 09, 2017 6:02 AM)Rebel Blader Wrote: i knew it had poential can u do some tests aginst unicrest and tt D2?
Spryzen S2 Gravity Accel vs. Unicrest Knuckle Survive
S2.G.A: 18 wins (3 KO, 9 Burst, 6 OS)
U.K.S: 2 wins (all OS)
S2.G.A win rate: 90%
Spryzen S2 dominated this battle. If Unicrest was launched too strongly, it would get bursted, while if it was launched too weakly, it would get outspun. Its best option was to strong launch + Sliding Shoot hoping to avoid the worst of S2's attacks and win via outspin (which it even failed to do sometimes even when it did everything else right, Unicrest stamina is really that bad).
Didn't want to test against my D2 since I've already broken 2 of them and I'm not too keen about using my last one (same reason I didn't use Z2 Knuckle/4 Zephyr for the Mixed benchmark).
RE: Spryzen S2 Testing & Discussion - Rebel Blader - Aug. 10, 2017
(Aug. 09, 2017 7:18 AM)Wombat Wrote:(Aug. 09, 2017 6:02 AM)Rebel Blader Wrote: i knew it had poential can u do some tests aginst unicrest and tt D2?
Spryzen S2 Gravity Accel vs. Unicrest Knuckle Survive
S2.G.A: 18 wins (3 KO, 9 Burst, 6 OS)
U.K.S: 2 wins (all OS)
S2.G.A win rate: 90%
Spryzen S2 dominated this battle. If Unicrest was launched too strongly, it would get bursted, while if it was launched too weakly, it would get outspun. Its best option was to strong launch + Sliding Shoot hoping to avoid the worst of S2's attacks and win via outspin (which it even failed to do sometimes even when it did everything else right, Unicrest stamina is really that bad).
Didn't want to test against my D2 since I've already broken 2 of them and I'm not too keen about using my last one (same reason I didn't use Z2 Knuckle/4 Zephyr for the Mixed benchmark).
results seem good.can u try aginst hasbro Y /K and Y2 heavy/knuckle/down survive.
RE: Spryzen S2 Testing & Discussion - FIREFIRE CPB - Aug. 18, 2017
Thanks fot test Wombat! I'm especially excited to see it bursted just once against neptune though I expected to get bursted by bR but atleast nice to see it survived 5 rounds. If possible can you try this against Drain Fafnir? Its shape seems very good at push ko and resisting left spin (it's TT counter part won against Drain Fafnir 4Glaive Atomic at last tournament in Mumbai and I always found it do well against L2)
RE: Spryzen S2 Testing & Discussion - MystMotone101 - Sep. 04, 2017
Sprizen S2 Testing
Equipment Used
Standard Bey Stadium Black B-33
Master Kit String Launcher
Sprizen S2 was always launched last unless specified otherwise.
KO Attack
S2 Heavy Extreme
VS Unicrest Gravity Survive
Sliding Shoot always used for S2
R1: U1: Burst
R2: U1: Burst
R3: U1: Survivor
R4: U1: Survivor
R5: U1: Survivor
R6: U1: Burst
R7: S2: Over Finish
R8: S2: Over Finish
R9: U1: Burst
R10: S2: Burst
R11: U1: Survivor
R12: U1: Survivor
R13: U1: Survivor
R14: U1: Survivor
R15: S2: Over Finish
R16: U1: Burst
R17: U1: Survivor
R18: U1: Survivor
R19: U1: Over Finish
R20: S2: Burst
Win Rate: 25%
Burst Attack
S2 Heavy Survive
Launching order alternated between rounds.
VS Unicrest Gravity Survive
R1: U1: Burst
R2: U1: Survivor
R3: S2: Survivor
R4: U1: Burst
R5: U1: Burst
R6: U1: Burst
R7: U1: Survivor
R8: U1: Burst
R9: U1: Survivor
R10: U1: Survivor
The Survive tips were swapped after this round.
R11: S2: Survivor
R12: S2: Burst
R13: U1: Survivor
R14: U1: Survivor
R15: U1: Survivor
R16: S2: Burst
R17: U1: Survivor
R18: U1: Survivor
R19: S2: Burst
R20: S2: Survivor
Win Rate: 30%
Mixed Attacker
S2 Knuckle Accel (bank shot used)
VS Unicrest Gravity Survive
R1: U1: Survivor
R2: S2: Survivor
R3: U1: Burst
R4: U1: Burst
R5: S2: Survivor
R6: U1: Survivor
R7: U1: Survivor
R8: U1: Survivor
R9: U1: Survivor
R10: U1: Burst
R11: U1: Burst
R12: S2: Survivor
R13: U1: Burst
R14: U1: Survivor
R15: U1: Burst
R16: U1: Burst
R17: U1: Burst
R18: U1: Survivor
R19: U1: Burst
R20: U1: Survivor
Win Rate: 15%
This may have something to do with my mold of S2, but it was bursting a lot throughout the testing.
RE: Spryzen S2 Testing & Discussion - Rebel Blader - Sep. 05, 2017
(Sep. 04, 2017 11:56 PM)MystMotone101 Wrote: Sprizen S2 Testing
Equipment Used
Standard Bey Stadium Black B-33
Master Kit String Launcher
Sprizen S2 was always launched last unless specified otherwise.
KO Attack
S2 Heavy Extreme
VS Unicrest Gravity Survive
Sliding Shoot always used for S2
R1: U1: Burst
R2: U1: Burst
R3: U1: Survivor
R4: U1: Survivor
R5: U1: Survivor
R6: U1: Burst
R7: S2: Over Finish
R8: S2: Over Finish
R9: U1: Burst
R10: S2: Burst
R11: U1: Survivor
R12: U1: Survivor
R13: U1: Survivor
R14: U1: Survivor
R15: S2: Over Finish
R16: U1: Burst
R17: U1: Survivor
R18: U1: Survivor
R19: U1: Over Finish
R20: S2: Burst
Win Rate: 25%
Burst Attack
S2 Heavy Survive
Launching order alternated between rounds.
VS Unicrest Gravity Survive
R1: U1: Burst
R2: U1: Survivor
R3: S2: Survivor
R4: U1: Burst
R5: U1: Burst
R6: U1: Burst
R7: U1: Survivor
R8: U1: Burst
R9: U1: Survivor
R10: U1: Survivor
The Survive tips were swapped after this round.
R11: S2: Survivor
R12: S2: Burst
R13: U1: Survivor
R14: U1: Survivor
R15: U1: Survivor
R16: S2: Burst
R17: U1: Survivor
R18: U1: Survivor
R19: S2: Burst
R20: S2: Survivor
Win Rate: 30%
Mixed Attacker
S2 Knuckle Accel (bank shot used)
VS Unicrest Gravity Survive
R1: U1: Survivor
R2: S2: Survivor
R3: U1: Burst
R4: U1: Burst
R5: S2: Survivor
R6: U1: Survivor
R7: U1: Survivor
R8: U1: Survivor
R9: U1: Survivor
R10: U1: Burst
R11: U1: Burst
R12: S2: Survivor
R13: U1: Burst
R14: U1: Survivor
R15: U1: Burst
R16: U1: Burst
R17: U1: Burst
R18: U1: Survivor
R19: U1: Burst
R20: U1: Survivor
Win Rate: 15%
This may have something to do with my mold of S2, but it was bursting a lot throughout the testing.
wow those results are completely different. maybe u should a good disk which feel tightest