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Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - TrainiacJ - May. 06, 2017
Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing
[Image: QG4LvWJ.jpg]
BACK AT IT AGAIN WITH MORE TESTING ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
Combos tested:
Drain Fafnir 2-Vortex Hold
Kaiser Kerbeus Heavy Atomic
Tornado Wyvern Heavy Atomic
They battled against these:
Dark Deathscyther Heavy Orbit
Neptune Heavy Revolve
Lost Longinus Quarter Hold
Stuff I used to test these:
- B-09 Beystadium (duh)
- Light Launcher w/Long Winder (with a beylogger plus on top for extra grip)
- Proto Launcher L (to more consistently get weak launches)
The right spin bey was always launched first, followed by the weakly-launched left spin bey.
Benchmark L2 tests because CONSISTANCYYYYYYYYY:
Lost Longinus Quarter Hold vs. Dark Deathsyther Heavy Orbit
L2QH - 8/20 Wins (%)
D2HO - 12/20 Wins (%)
And here are the tests themselves! (~now with nifty little spoiler tags so as not to clutter your reading experience~)
Drain Fafnir 2-Vortex Hold vs. Dark Deathscyther Heavy Orbit
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Drain Fafnir 2-Vortex Hold vs. Neptune Heavy Revolve
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Drain Fafnir 2-Vortex Hold vs. Kaiser Kerbeus Heavy Atomic
Spoiler (Click to View)
Tornado Wyvern Heavy Atomic vs. Lost Longinus Quarter Hold
Spoiler (Click to View)
Overall, I think Drain Fafnir could use a little more testing to see if it's actually any good, but as of writing this, I think it'll be a decent D2 counter at least. Atomic could also stand to see more testing, but from what i've seen while playing around with it, even if it's not as good as Orbit, it's still a passable defense driver. Tornado Wyvern is the only one I'm truly skeptical about. The fact it got off balance so much makes me question if the free ring will ultimately save it's performance when it's up against traditional attack-types.
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - Yblader1 - May. 06, 2017
(May. 06, 2017 10:09 PM)TrainiacJ Wrote:Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing
[Image: QG4LvWJ.jpg]
BACK AT IT AGAIN WITH MORE TESTING ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
Combos tested:
Drain Fafnir 2-Vortex Hold
Kaiser Kerbeus Heavy Atomic
Tornado Wyvern Heavy Atomic
They battled against these:
Dark Deathscyther Heavy Orbit
Neptune Heavy Revolve
Lost Longinus Quarter Hold
Stuff I used to test these:
- B-09 Beystadium (duh)
- Light Launcher w/Long Winder (with a beylogger plus on top for extra grip)
- Proto Launcher L (to more consistently get weak launches)
The right spin bey was always launched first, followed by the weakly-launched left spin bey.
Benchmark L2 tests because CONSISTANCYYYYYYYYY:
Lost Longinus Quarter Hold vs. Dark Deathsyther Heavy Orbit
L2QH - 8/20 Wins (%)
D2HO - 12/20 Wins (%)
And here are the tests themselves! (~now with nifty little spoiler tags so as not to clutter your reading experience~)
Drain Fafnir 2-Vortex Hold vs. Dark Deathscyther Heavy Orbit
Spoiler (Click to View)
Drain Fafnir 2-Vortex Hold vs. Neptune Heavy Revolve
Spoiler (Click to View)
Drain Fafnir 2-Vortex Hold vs. Kaiser Kerbeus Heavy Atomic
Spoiler (Click to View)
Tornado Wyvern Heavy Atomic vs. Lost Longinus Quarter Hold
Spoiler (Click to View)
Overall, I think Drain Fafnir could use a little more testing to see if it's actually any good, but as of writing this, I think it'll be a decent D2 counter at least. Atomic could also stand to see more testing, but from what i've seen while playing around with it, even if it's not as good as Orbit, it's still a passable defense driver. Tornado Wyvern is the only one I'm truly skeptical about. The fact it got off balance so much makes me question if the free ring will ultimately save it's performance when it's up against traditional attack-types.
Yh I'd say fafnir does need some more testing as so far these tests have been run with hold but there could be another driver more suited to fafnir with which it hasn't been tested so in that respect u are right. Still thanks for the tests anyway cos it still shows that perhaps the layer is not as effective as the hype behind it before.
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - Dark_Mousy - May. 07, 2017
I still have some hopes for Drain Fafnir. Mine will be here in a couple of days and Ill do some testing for it. Hopefully it'll be a big star at Anime North hah.
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - MonoDragon - May. 07, 2017
Perhaps try that Drain Fafnir combo against D2 Heavy Defense? From what I've heard that's what was able to shut down L2 Hold combos.
Also replace Atomic with Orbit on the K2 and Tornado Wyvern combos so we can see if Atomic any better than Orbit directly.
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - Mage - May. 07, 2017
I kinds wanna see how to does against fast combos that directly hit the bey. It would be a good test to see how much could the gimmick do to help it from bursting.
dF would probably do better on Revolve due to its spin equalization capabilities.
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - FIREFIRE CPB - May. 07, 2017
Thanks a YJA lot for it!. Can you do dFGAt vs some top-tiers?
Atleast from @[ZYeYO]'s video of dF. It seemed it's good against attack. So I was interested in some attack tests vs dF too. Also if possible try dFKX.
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - TrainiacJ - May. 07, 2017
HONK HONK HERE COMES THE TESTING BUS
HOP ON BOARD, KIDDOS
Tornado Wyvern Heavy Orbit vs. Lost Longinus Quarter Hold
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The layer is still super unbalanced, so the next two tests are basically me trying to fix that.
Tornado Wyvern Polish Atomic vs. Lost Longinus Quarter Hold
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Tornado Wyvern Polish Yielding vs. Lost Longinus Quarter Hold
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I also tried out Heavy Revolve and Polish Revolve, but Revolve was too sharp to stay balanced, and I concluded that tW would be no good on it.
Drain Fafnir 2-Vortex Hold vs. Dark Deathsyther Heavy Atomic
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I would have tested Atomic's performance against Defense, but I don't actually own a Takara Defense, so... :P
Drain Fafnir 2-Vortex Hold vs. Kaiser Kerbeus Heavy Orbit
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Interestingly, in these dF tests, there were a couple rounds where i accidentally launched dF too hard, but it actually worked better than a weak launch. As a follow up, I tested this;
Drain Fafnir Quarter Xtreme vs. Dark Deathsyther Heavy Orbit
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I also tried out Weight, Revolve, Atomic, and even Needle and Liner on dF, but they just couldn't get good enough stamina to win against D2. I think the reason it wasn't working is because it isn't as heavy as L2, so maybe once the Metal God Chip comes out dF would be a viable D2 counter? Idk, someone else should try this out, maybe they'll have better luck. :P
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - Wombat - May. 07, 2017
Question: is there any particular reason you're using Quarter and 2Vortex on the Hold combos and not a Disk with more LAD like Spread/Ring/Infinity? Since Left-Spin Hold is primarily designed to outspin opponents, it would make sense to use one of those to get a few more rotations if Hold falls over, and that might be why you're struggling to outspin Heavy Orbit (though you may just have a bad Hold? idk). Also I'd like to see how something like dFS/R/IR performs.
If it's possible, I'd like to see some mirror matches of Atomic vs Orbit to see which has better Stamina, something like WHO vs WHAt (yes this is a serious request not an acronym joke).
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - TrainiacJ - May. 07, 2017
Both of my Holds spin pretty freely, and 2V was heavy and synced well with Fafnir's shape. I think Quarter is a viable disc, and since it has the same driver-guarding shape as Armed and the weight of Heavy/Gravity, theoretically it could be the best of both worlds? Idk, I just like using it.
Personally, I'm not too big on Spread, whenever I use it, I feel like the bey I'm using is going to topple over. Ring and Infinity feel like risky options too considering they burst more often. (not to mention my only infinity is the red plated one and there's no way I'm going to risk scratching it
)I probably could do an Atomic/Orbit Mirror Match though, but since I don't own any Basic Wyverns, I'll have to do it with D2. No fun acronyms here, haha
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - ToxicAtom - May. 08, 2017
I personally only find Ring useful on hyper-aggressive attack types like V/V2.R.X. It's OWD helps give the bey the boost in stamina that ironically makes it hit harder, and more often. On actual stamina combos, it's OWD is it's downfall, because like you said, the risk of bursting is significantly higher, and stamina types aren't particularly known for their burst resistance. Infinity is just a slightly worse Ring. I wouldn't recommend it.
From the looks of it, tW's achilles heel is it's balance, not so much it's mediocre teeth. There's not really much you can do about that outside of maybe Quarter, if it has a synergistic weight distribution, and even then it's just going to move out of position because of how the Burst mechanism works.
ᵗᵂ ʳᵉᵐᶦᶰᵈˢ ᵐᵉ ᵒᶠ ᵃ ᶜᵉʳᵗᵃᶦᶰ ᴹᵉᵗᵃᶫ ˢᵉʳᶦᵉˢ ʷʰᵉᵉᶫ ᵗʰᵃᵗ ᶜᵒᵐᵖᶫᵉᵗᵉᶫʸ ᵇʳᵒᵏᵉ ᵗʰᵉ ᵐᵉᵗᵃ ʷʰᵉᶰ ᶦᵗ ᶜᵃᵐᵉ ᵒᵘᵗ ᵉᵛᵉᶰ ᵗʰᵒᵘᵍʰ ᶦᵗ ʷᵃˢ ᶦᶰᵗᵉᶰᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶫʸ ᵘᶰᵇᵃᶫᵃᶰᶜᵉᵈ
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - TrainiacJ - May. 08, 2017
(May. 08, 2017 12:43 AM)ToxicAtom Wrote: From the looks of it, tW's achilles heel is it's balance, not so much it's mediocre teeth. There's not really much you can do about that outside of maybe Quarter, if it has a synergistic weight distribution, and even then it's just going to move out of position because of how the Burst mechanism works.
Maybe once the Metal God Chip is released the centralized weight it would provide would make it viable. But yeah, the lack of balance is a huge downside.
(May. 08, 2017 12:43 AM)ToxicAtom Wrote: ᵗᵂ ʳᵉᵐᶦᶰᵈˢ ᵐᵉ ᵒᶠ ᵃ ᶜᵉʳᵗᵃᶦᶰ ᴹᵉᵗᵃᶫ ˢᵉʳᶦᵉˢ ʷʰᵉᵉᶫ ᵗʰᵃᵗ ᶜᵒᵐᵖᶫᵉᵗᵉᶫʸ ᵇʳᵒᵏᵉ ᵗʰᵉ ᵐᵉᵗᵃ ʷʰᵉᶰ ᶦᵗ ᶜᵃᵐᵉ ᵒᵘᵗ ᵉᵛᵉᶰ ᵗʰᵒᵘᵍʰ ᶦᵗ ʷᵃˢ ᶦᶰᵗᵉᶰᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶫʸ ᵘᶰᵇᵃᶫᵃᶰᶜᵉᵈ
you're gonna need to be more specific than that, theres too many metal wheels that fit that bill haha
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - MonoDragon - May. 08, 2017
(May. 08, 2017 3:42 AM)TrainiacJ Wrote:(May. 08, 2017 12:43 AM)ToxicAtom Wrote: From the looks of it, tW's achilles heel is it's balance, not so much it's mediocre teeth. There's not really much you can do about that outside of maybe Quarter, if it has a synergistic weight distribution, and even then it's just going to move out of position because of how the Burst mechanism works.
Maybe once the Metal God Chip is released the centralized weight it would provide would make it viable. But yeah, the lack of balance is a huge downside.
(May. 08, 2017 12:43 AM)ToxicAtom Wrote: ᵗᵂ ʳᵉᵐᶦᶰᵈˢ ᵐᵉ ᵒᶠ ᵃ ᶜᵉʳᵗᵃᶦᶰ ᴹᵉᵗᵃᶫ ˢᵉʳᶦᵉˢ ʷʰᵉᵉᶫ ᵗʰᵃᵗ ᶜᵒᵐᵖᶫᵉᵗᵉᶫʸ ᵇʳᵒᵏᵉ ᵗʰᵉ ᵐᵉᵗᵃ ʷʰᵉᶰ ᶦᵗ ᶜᵃᵐᵉ ᵒᵘᵗ ᵉᵛᵉᶰ ᵗʰᵒᵘᵍʰ ᶦᵗ ʷᵃˢ ᶦᶰᵗᵉᶰᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃᶫᶫʸ ᵘᶰᵇᵃᶫᵃᶰᶜᵉᵈ
you're gonna need to be more specific than that, theres too many metal wheels that fit that bill haha
Hopefully yeah. It all depends if the metal chip is heavy enough to do the job.
And I think they mean the Duo wheel from Duo Uranus. Almost recoil free and either well balanced or so unbalanced it hops with any tip.
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - Ultra - May. 08, 2017
(May. 08, 2017 4:46 AM)MonoDragon Wrote:(May. 08, 2017 3:42 AM)TrainiacJ Wrote: Maybe once the Metal God Chip is released the centralized weight it would provide would make it viable. But yeah, the lack of balance is a huge downside.
you're gonna need to be more specific than that, theres too many metal wheels that fit that bill haha
Hopefully yeah. It all depends if the metal chip is heavy enough to do the job.
And I think they mean the Duo wheel from Duo Uranus. Almost recoil free and either well balanced or so unbalanced it hops with any tip.
He was talking about Basalt.
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - ToxicAtom - May. 08, 2017
(May. 08, 2017 8:26 AM)Ultra Wrote:(May. 08, 2017 4:46 AM)MonoDragon Wrote: I think they mean the Duo wheel from Duo Uranus. Almost recoil free and either well balanced or so unbalanced it hops with any tip.
He was talking about Basalt.
This guy got it. But we're getting off-track here.
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - FIREFIRE CPB - May. 17, 2017
Sorry for posting again but can someone try dFGAt? Against Odin, D2 and D? Maybe W and N. In theory it seems very good due to LAD of Atomic
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - loyd87 - Jun. 03, 2017
I just get my Tornado Wyvern and I find it better with its own disk then heavy. with heavy its really easy to get it off balance but with 4G its harder and spin longer then Heavy.
I need to do more test but from what I've seen I'm confident to use tW.4G.At in tournament more then tW.H.At
from my preliminary test, tW.4G.At Vs VTX, Tornado Wyvern losing an average of 0.5 clicks and win
tW.H.At Vs VTX: Tornado Wyvern losing an average of 3.5 clicks and lose.
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - Mage - Jun. 03, 2017
I've been procrastinating 4 too long, I've only done free play instead of serious testing but it's enough to know what it's strengths and weaknesses. tW's shape isn't the case for its bad stamina, it's its gimmick. The free spinning ring does work and it does help cushion some attacks, but it uses stamina when the gimmick works. When against dF.P.At it still loses when dF is handspun. When right spin beys are starting to lose spin the excessive contact with the free spinning ring destroys tW's stamina.
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - Dual - Jun. 04, 2017
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but tW's teeth are pretty bad, right? Does the free spinning part make up for this well enough? Or is it still fairly easy to burst?
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - Mage - Jun. 04, 2017
It's teeth are pretty bad but still better than W2 teeth. It's defense against attackers like VKX is decent and it can OS it pretty consistently, but it still can burst when it takes too many direct hits. tW's weakness is a bey attacking it directly towards it's center, the gimmick only really helps if the bey is slightly attacking a 1 side more than the other.
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - Dark_Mousy - Jun. 04, 2017
I can do some testing with Atomic. Does anyone have any particular requests?
Also in regards to the DF Polish Atomic combos, Neptune ___Revolve beat it pretty consistently. Also A2 Spread Revolve beats it consistently. These combos were used heavily at Anime North.
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - MPZLShadow - Jun. 04, 2017
dont use the 2 disc
8 disc is better
drain fafnir 8 vortex orbit
atomic isnt as good as orbit
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - SUGOI-KONICHEWA - Jun. 04, 2017
(Jun. 04, 2017 2:10 PM)MPZLShadow Wrote: dont use the 2 disc
8 disc is better
drain fafnir 8 vortex orbit
atomic isnt as good as orbit
Drain Fafnir Polish Atomic is like ultimate L.A.D
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - loyd87 - Jun. 04, 2017
why there's no testing done but mostly many impression or statement from different players and there not in the same way of thought... first what does the disk 8 is better than 2?! have we know the weight or any testing with it to get that conclusion?!
personnaly I don't have any opinion on the performance of the new disks because I have to test it. I just get some in the RBV6. from my primary test I didn't notice that much different between their performance. I need further test. I wanted that experimented players from AN wich there have tested it and get some experience on it talk about their impression or testing of these parts.
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - SUGOI-KONICHEWA - Jun. 04, 2017
Would a dF tornado stall combo be successful?
RE: Drain Fafnir, Tornado Wyvern, and Atomic Testing - Dark_Mousy - Jun. 04, 2017
(Jun. 04, 2017 3:05 PM)SUGOI-KONICHEWA Wrote: Would a dF tornado stall combo be successful?
I personally don't think so. I haven't been a fan of Tornado stallers in burst.
My experience with DF is more of the feeling of a tank, not a Tornado Staller.