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Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - Kei - Sep. 24, 2016
Hello everyone! With Hasbro’s version of Beyblade Burst having launching in Canada a few weeks ago, we were all blindsided by the changes made to the Layers (Energy Layers) and Drivers (Performance Tips). This resulted in our provisional temporary banning of Hasbro Beyblade Burst parts from WBO Organized Play in an effort to buy us some time to test and compare Hasbro’s offering with the original releases by TAKARA-TOMY so that we could determine how to best integrate them into our tournaments.
Bey Brad and 1234beyblade were generous enough to assist with the following massive set of test results comparing Hasbro versus Hasbro match-ups, TAKARA-TOMY versus TAKARA-TOMY, and then mixed brand match-ups.
The purpose of this testing was to provide an initial baseline and go in to some depth regarding the differences and similarities between Hasbro and TAKARA-TOMY Burst Beyblades, and most importantly how they interact. As a result, please keep in mind that some aspects of the following test results may not necessarily be conclusive, and as always, can vary depending on individual skill and many other factors. Because we did so many rounds, each match-up was only 10 rounds long, which we acknowledged was statistically insignificant to some degree. But over the 400+ rounds of testing we conducted we have been able to at least provide a somewhat accurate baseline for their performance as I mentioned we had aimed to do.
I know many of you must be wondering how the two brands compare, so I hope this will be prove useful to all of you!
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Test Results - Kei
Valtryek Limited Accel vs. Nepstrius Heavy Revolve (Both Hasbro)
Valtryek Limited Accel: 6 Wins (1 BF, 5 KO)
Nepstrius Heavy Revolve 4 Wins (1 BF, 3 OS)
Valtryek Win Percentage: 60%
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Note: Valkyrie Layer slightly used; teeth in good, but not brand new condition
Valkyrie Limited Accel vs. Neptune Heavy Revolve (Both TAKARA-TOMY)
Valkyrie Limited Accel: 5 Wins (2 BF, 3 KO)
Neptune Heavy Revolve 5 Wins (2 BF, 3 OS)
Valkyrie Win Percentage: 50%
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Valkyrie Limited Accel (TAKARA-TOMY) vs. Nepstrius Heavy Revolve (Hasbro)
Valkyrie Limited Accel: 2 Wins (1 BF, 1 KO)
Nepstrius Heavy Revolve 8 Wins (1 BF, 7 OS)
Valkyrie Win Percentage: 20%
1 Draw (1 DBF)
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Valtryek Limited Accel (Hasbro) vs. Neptune Heavy Revolve (TAKARA-TOMY)
Valtryek Limited Accel: 5 Wins (1 BF, 4 KO)
Neptune Heavy Revolve 5 Wins (2 BF, 3 OS)
Valtryek Win Percentage: 50%
1 Draw (1 DBF)
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Storm Spryzen Limited Accel vs. Nepstrius Heavy Revolve (Both Hasbro)
Storm Spryzen Limited Accel: 5 Wins (4 BF, 1 KO)
Nepstrius Heavy Revolve 5 Wins (2 BF, 1 KO, 2 OS)
Storm Spryzen Win Percentage: 50%
1 Draw (1 DBF)
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Storm Spriggan Limited Accel vs. Neptune Heavy Revolve (Both TAKARA-TOMY)
Storm Spriggan Limited Accel: 2 Wins (1 BF, 1 KO)
Neptune Heavy Revolve 8 Wins (1 BF, 7 OS)
Storm Spriggan Win Percentage: 20%
1 Draw (1 DBF)
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Storm Spryzen Limited Accel (Hasbro) vs. Neptune Heavy Revolve (TAKARA-TOMY)
Storm Spryzen Limited Accel: 5 Wins (1 BF, 3 KO, 1 OS)
Neptune Heavy Revolve 5 Wins (2 BF, 3 OS)
Storm Spryzen Win Percentage: 50%
2 Draws (2 DBF)
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Storm Spriggan Limited Accel (TAKARA-TOMY) vs. Nepstrius Heavy Revolve (Hasbro)
Storm Spriggan Limited Accel: 4 Wins (1 BF, 2 KO, 1 OS)
Nepstrius Heavy Revolve 6 Wins (4 BF, 2 OS)
Storm Spriggan Win Percentage: 50%
8 Draws (7 DBF, 1 DKO)
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Unicrest Gravity Defense vs. Nepstrius Heavy Revolve (Both Hasbro)
Unicrest Gravity Defense: 8 Wins (5 BF, 3 OS)
Nepstrius Heavy Revolve 2 Wins (2 OS)
Unicrest Win Percentage: 80%
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Unicorn Gravity Defense vs. Neptune Heavy Revolve (Both TAKARA-TOMY)
Unicorn Gravity Defense: 4 Wins (4 OS)
Neptune Heavy Revolve 6 Wins (6 OS)
Unicorn Win Percentage: 40%
1 Draw (1 DOS)
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Unicrest Gravity Defense (Hasbro) vs. Neptune Heavy Revolve (TAKARA-TOMY)
Unicrest Gravity Defense: 4 Wins (4 OS)
Neptune Heavy Revolve 6 Wins (6 OS)
Unicrest Win Percentage: 40%
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Unicorn Gravity Defense (TAKARA-TOMY) vs. Nepstrius Heavy Revolve (Hasbro)
Unicorn Gravity Defense: 8 Wins (8 OS)
Nepstrius Heavy Revolve 2 Wins (1 BF, 1 OS)
Unicorn Win Percentage: 80%
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Spryzen Heavy Defense vs. Odax Heavy Revolve (Both Hasbro)
Spryzen Heavy Defense: 2 Wins (2 KO)
Odax Heavy Revolve 8 Wins (8 BF)
Spryzen Win Percentage: 20%
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Spriggan Heavy Defense vs. Odin Heavy Revolve (Both TAKARA-TOMY)
Spriggan Heavy Defense: 1 Wins (1 BF)
Odin Heavy Revolve 9 Wins (1 BF, 1 KO, 7 OS)
Spriggan Win Percentage: 10%
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Spryzen Heavy Defense (Hasbro) vs. Odin Heavy Revolve (TAKARA-TOMY)
Spryzen Heavy Defense: 2 Wins (1 BF, 1 KO)
Odin Heavy Revolve 8 Wins (4 BF, 4 OS)
Spryzen Win Percentage: 20%
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Spriggan Heavy Defense (TAKARA-TOMY) vs. Odax Heavy Revolve (Hasbro)
Spriggan Heavy Defense: 5 Wins (1 BF, 3 KO, 1 OS)
Odax Heavy Revolve 5 Wins (2 BF, 1 KO, 2 OS)
Spriggan Win Percentage: 50%
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Test Results - Bey Brad
Bey Brad Wrote:Roktavor Gravity Accel vs. Nepstrius Heavy Revolve (Both Hasbro)
NHR launched first at 50-75% power, RGA launched with sliding shoot
Roktavor Gravity Accel: 9 Wins (9 BF)
Nepstrius Heavy Revolve: 1 Win (1 BF)
Roktavor Gravity Accel win rate: 90%
3 Draws (3 DBF)
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Ragnaruk Gravity Accel vs. Neptune Heavy Revolve (Both TAKARA-TOMY)
Ragnaruk Gravity Accel: 4 Wins (1 BF, 3 KO)
Neptune Heavy Revolve: 6 Wins (2 BF, 2 OS, 2 KO)
Neptune Heavy Revolve win rate: 60%
0 Draws
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Roktavor Gravity Accel (Hasbro) vs. Neptune Heavy Revolve (TAKARA-TOMY)
Roktavor Gravity Accel: 3 Wins (1 BF, 2 KO)
Neptune Heavy Revolve: 7 Wins (4 BF, 3 OS)
Neptune Heavy Revolve win rate: 60%
1 Draw (1 DBF)
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Spryzen Limited Accel vs. King Kerbeus Heavy Revolve (Both Hasbro)
K2GD launched first, SLA launched with sliding shoot
Spryzen Limited Accel: 2 Wins (1 OS, 1 KO)
King Kerbeus Gravity Defense: 8 Wins (8 BF)
King Kerbeus Gravity Defense win rate: 80%
1 Draw (1 DBF)
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Spriggan Limited Accel vs. Kaiser Kerbeus Heavy Revolve (Both TAKARA-TOMY)
Spriggan Limited Accel: 5 Wins (2 BF, 2 KO, 1 OS)
Kaiser Kerbeus Gravity Defense: 5 Wins (2 BF, 3 OS)
Both win rate; 50%
3 Draws (3 DBF)
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Spriggan Limited Accel (TAKARA-TOMY) vs. King Kerbeus Heavy Revolve (Hasbro)
Spriggan Limited Accel: 7 Wins (5 OS, 2 KO)
King Kerbeus Gravity Defense: 3 Wins (2 BF, 1 OS)
Spriggan Limited Accel win rate: 70%
2 Draws (2 DBF)
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
King Kerbeus Gravity Defense vs. Unicrest Gravity Revolve (Both Hasbro)
UGR launched first
King Kerbeus Gravity Defense: 1 Win (1 BF)
Unicrest Gravity Revolve: 9 Wins (9 OS)
Unicrest Gravity Revolve win rate: 90%
0 Draws
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Kaiser Kerbeus Gravity Defense vs. Unicorn Gravity Revolve (Both TAKARA-TOMY)
Kaiser Kerbeus Gravity Defense: 0 Wins
Unicorn Gravity Revolve: 10 Wins (10 OS)
Unicorn Gravity Revolve win rate: 100%
0 Draws
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Kaiser Kerbeus Gravity Defense (TAKARA-TOMY) vs. Unicrest Gravity Revolve (Hasbro)
Kaiser Kerbeus Gravity Defense: 7 Wins (1 BF, 6 OS)
Unicrest Gravity Revolve: 3 Wins (3 OS)
Kaiser Kerbeus Gravity Defense win rate: 100%
4 Draws (4 DOS)
Round by Round Results (Click to View)
Test Results - 1234beyblade
1234beyblade Wrote:Raging Roktavor Gravity Accel vs. King Kerbeus Gravity Defense (Both Hasbro)
Raging Roktavor Gravity Accel: 8 Wins (2 BF, 1 KO, 5 OS)
King Kerbeus Gravity Defense: 2 Wins (2 BF)
Roktavor R2 Win Percentage: 80%
1 Draw (1 DBF)
Rising Ragnaruk Gravity Accel vs. Kaiser Kerbeus Gravity Defense (Both TAKARA-TOMY)
Rising Ragnaruk Gravity Accel: 4 Wins (3 BF, 1 OS)
Kaiser Kerbeus Gravity Defense: 6 Wins (2 BF ,4 OS)
Rising Ragnaruk Win Percentage: 40%
Kaiser Kerbeus Gravity Defense (TAKARA-TOMY) vs. Raging Roktavor Gravity Accel(Hasbro)
Kaiser Kerbeus Gravity Defense: 6 Wins (5 BF, 1 OS)
Raging Roktavor Gravity Accel: 4 Wins (1 KO, 3 OS)
Kaiser Kerbeus Win Percentage: 60%
Rising Ragnaruk Gravity Accel (TAKARA-TOMY) vs. King Kerbeus Gravity Defense (Hasbro)
Rising Ragnaruk Gravity Accel: 10 Wins (1 BF, 1 KO, 8 OS)
King Kerbeus Gravity Defense: 0 Wins
Rising Ragnaruk Win Percentage: 100%
1 Draw (1 DBF)
Victory Valtryek Gravity Accel vs. King Kerbeus Gravity Defense (Both Hasbro)
Victory Valtryek Gravity Accel: 4 Wins (1 BF, 1 KO, 2 OS)
King Kerbeus Gravity Defense: 6 Wins (6 OS)
Victory Valtryek Win Percentage: 40%
Victory Valkyrie Gravity Accel vs. Kaiser Kerbeus Gravity Defense (Both TAKARA-TOMY)
Victory Valkyrie Gravity Accel: 1 Wins (1 BF)
Kaiser Kerbeus Gravity Defense: 9 Wins (1 BF, 8 OS)
Victory Valkyrie Win Percentage: 10%
Victory Valkyrie Gravity Accel (TAKARA-TOMY) vs. King Kerbeus Gravity Defense (Hasbro)
Victory Valkyrie Gravity Accel : 4 Wins (4 BF)
King Kerbeus Gravity Defense: 6 Wins (6 OS)
Victory Valkyrie Win Percentage: 40%
Kaiser Kerbeus Gravity Defense (TAKARA-TOMY) vs. Victory Valtryek Gravity Accel (Hasbro)
Kaiser Kerbeus Gravity Defense : 8 Wins (2 BF, 6 OS)
Victory Valtryek Gravity Accel: 2 Wins (1 BF 1 KO)
Kaiser Kerbeus Win Percentage: 80%
Valtryek Heavy Defense vs. Nepstrius Heavy Defense (Both Hasbro)
Valtryek Heavy Defense: 8 Wins (8 BF)
Nepstrius Heavy Defense: 2 Wins (2 BF)
Valtryek Win Percentage: 80%
Valtryek Heavy Defense vs. Nepstrius Heavy Revolve (Both Hasbro)
Valtryek Heavy Defense: 7 Wins (6 BF, 1 OS)
Nepstrius Heavy Revolve: 3 Wins (1 BF, 2 OS)
Valtryek Win Percentage: 70%
2 Draws (2 DBF)
Valkyrie Heavy Defense vs. Neptune Heavy Revolve (Both TAKARA-TOMY)
Valkyrie Heavy Defense: 4 Wins (2 BF, 2 KO)
Neptune Heavy Revolve: 6 Wins (4 BF, 2 OS)
Valkyrie Win Percentage: 40%
Neptune Heavy Revolve (TAKARA-TOMY) vs. Valtryek Heavy Defense (Hasbro)
Neptune Heavy Revolve: 9 Wins (6 BF, 3 OS)
Valtryek Heavy Defense: 1 Win (1 KO)
Neptune Win Percentage: 90%
Valkyrie Heavy Defense (TAKARA-TOMY) vs. Nepstrius Heavy Revolve (Hasbro)
Valkyrie Heavy Defense: 8 Wins (8 BF)
Nepstrius Heavy Revolve: 2 Wins (2 OS)
Valkyrie Win Percentage: 80%
Odax Heavy Defense vs. Nepstrius Heavy Defense (Both Hasbro)
Odax Heavy Defense: 3 Wins (1 BF, 2 OS)
Nepstrius Heavy Defense: 7 Wins (6 BF, 1 OS)
Odax Win Percentage: 30%
2 Draws (2 DBF)
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Odax Heavy Defense vs. Nepstrius Heavy Revolve (Both Hasbro)
Odax Heavy Defense: 3 Wins (3 BF)
Nepstrius Heavy Revolve: 2 Wins (2 OS)
Odax Win Percentage: 60%
4 Draws (4 DBF)
Odin Heavy Defense vs. Neptune Heavy Revolve (Both TAKARA-TOMY)
Odin Heavy Defense: 7 Wins (2 BF, 5 OS)
Neptune Heavy Revolve: 3 Wins (3 OS)
Odin Win Percentage: 70%
Neptune Heavy Revolve (TAKARA-TOMY) vs. Odax Heavy Defense (Hasbro)
Neptune Heavy Revolve: 6 Wins (3 BF, 3 OS)
Odax Heavy Defense: 4 Wins (2 BF, 2 KO)
Oda Win Percentage: 40%
Odin Heavy Defense (TAKARA-TOMY) vs. Nepstrius Heavy Revolve (Hasbro)
Odin Heavy Defense: 10 Wins (7 BF, 3 OS)
Nepstrius Heavy Revolve: 0 Wins
Odin Win Percentage: 100%
Battle Statistics
Mixed Brand Rounds Comparison
Draws not included.
- Total Mixed Brand Rounds: 190
- Total TAKARA-TOMY Wins: 125 (66%)
- Total Hasbro Wins: 65 (34%)
Finish Type Frequencies (Both Hasbro)
139 Total Rounds (including draws)
- Burst Finish: 72 Rounds, 52%
- Knock Out: 12 Rounds, 9%
- Outspin: 41 Rounds, 29%
- Double Burst Finish: 14 Rounds, 10%
Finish Type Frequencies (Both TAKARA-TOMY)
115 Total Rounds (including draws)
- Burst Finish: 30 Rounds, 26%
- Knock Out: 11 Rounds, 10%
- Outspin: 69 Rounds, 60%
- Double Burst Finish: 4 Rounds, 3%
- Double Outspin: 1 Round 1%
Finish Type Frequencies (Mixed Brand - Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY)
207 Total Rounds (including draws)
- Burst Finish: 69 Rounds, 33%
- Knock Out: 25 Rounds, 12%
- Outspin: 96 Rounds, 46%
- Double Burst Finish: 15 Rounds, 7%
- Double Outspin: 1 Round 0.5%
- Double Knockout: 1 Round 0.5%
Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Layer Performance Comparison Statistics
Valkyrie vs Valtryek Comparison
41 Total Rounds (Valkyrie), 42 Total Rounds (Valtryek)
- Valkyrie (TAKARA-TOMY): 19 Wins (13 BF, 6 KO), 22 Losses, 1 Draw (1 DBF) - (46% Win Percentage)
- Valtryek (Hasbro): 24 Wins (16 BF, 9 KO, 1 OS), 16 Losses, 2 Draws (2 DBF) - (60% Win Percentage)
Neptune vs Nepstrius Comparison
119 Total Rounds (Nepstrius), 122 Total Rounds (Neptune)
- Neptune (TAKARA-TOMY): 72 Wins (26 BF, 2 KO, 44 OS), 48 Losses, 2 Draws (2 DBF) - (60% Win Percentage)
- Nepstrius (Hasbro): 42 Wins (19 BF, 1 KO, 22 OS), 73 Losses, 4 Draws (4 DBF) - (37% Win Percentage)
Storm Spriggan vs Storm Spryzen Comparison
20 Total Rounds (Storm Spryzen), 20 Total Rounds (Storm Spriggan)
- Storm Spriggan (TAKARA-TOMY): 6 Wins (2 BF, 3 KO, 1 OS), 14 Losses, 9 Draws (8 DBF, 1 DKO) - (30% Win Percentage)
- Storm Spryzen (Hasbro): 10 Wins (5 BF, 4 KO, 1 OS), 10 Losses, 3 Draws (3 DBF) - (50% Win Percentage)
Unicorn vs Unicrest Comparison
40 Total Rounds (Unicrest), 30 Total Rounds (Unicorn)
- Unicorn (TAKARA-TOMY): 22 Wins (22 OS), 8 Losses, 1 Draw (1 DOS) - (73% Win Percentage)
- Unicrest (Hasbro): 24 Wins (5 BF, 19 OS), 16 Losses, 4 Draws (4 DOS) - (60% Win Percentage)
Spriggan vs Spryzen Comparison
30 Total Rounds (Spryzen), 40 Total Rounds (Spriggan)
- Spriggan (TAKARA-TOMY): 18 Wins (4 BF, 7 KO, 7 OS), 22 Losses, 5 Draws (5 DBF) - (45% Win Percentage)
- Spryzen (Hasbro): 6 Wins (1 BF, 4 KO), 24 Losses, 1 Draws (1 DBF) - (20% Win Percentage)
Odin vs Odax Comparison
45 Total Rounds (Odax), 40 Total Rounds (Odin)
- Odin (TAKARA-TOMY): 34 Wins (14 BF, 1 KO, 19 OS), 6 Losses - (85% Win Percentage)
- Odax (Hasbro): 23 Wins (16 BF, 3 KO, 4 OS), 24 Losses, 2 Draws (2 DBF) - (51% Win Percentage)
Ragnaruk vs Roktavor Comparison
20 Total Rounds (Roktavor), 10 Total Rounds (Ragnaruk)
- Ragnaruk (TAKARA-TOMY): 4 Wins (1 BF, 3 KO), 6 Losses - (40% Win Percentage)
- Roktavor (Hasbro): 12 Wins (10 BF, 2 KO), 8 Losses, 4 Draws (4 DBF) - (60% Win Percentage)
Kaiser Kerbeus vs King Kerbeus Comparison
70 Total Rounds (King Kerbeus), 70 Total Rounds (Kaiser Kerbeus)
- Kaiser Kerbeus (TAKARA-TOMY): 41 Wins (13 BF, 28 OS), 29 Losses - (59% Win Percentage)
- King Kerbeus (Hasbro): 26 Wins (13 BF, 13 OS), 44 Losses, 4 Draws (4 DBF) - (37% Win Percentage)
Rising Ragnaruk vs Raging Roktavor Comparison
20 Total Rounds (Raging Roktavor), 20 Total Rounds (Rising Ragnaruk)
- Rising Ragnaruk (TAKARA-TOMY): 14 Wins (4 BF, 1 KO, 9 OS), 6 Losses, 1 Draw (1 DBF) - (70% Win Percentage)
- Raging Roktavor (Hasbro): 12 Wins (2 BF, 2 KO, 8 OS), 8 Losses, 1 Draw (1 DBF) - (60% Win Percentage)
Victory Valkyrie vs Victory Valtryek Comparison
20 Total Rounds (Victory Valkyrie), 20 Total Rounds (Victory Valtryek)
- Victory Valkyrie (TAKARA-TOMY): 5 Wins (5 BF), 15 Losses - (25% Win Percentage)
- Victory Valtryek (Hasbro): 6 Wins (2 BF, 2 KO, 2 OS), 14 Losses - (30% Win Percentage)
Observations & Impressions
There’s certainly a lot to take in here, but what jumps out the most to me is the simple fact that according to our results Hasbro Beyblade Burst loses more often than TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst when they’re played against each other. Brad mentioned the following to me after he completed his testings:
Bey Brad Wrote:My findings are basically that Hasbro Layers have far worse stamina because their softer plastic is grippier. They also result in weakened impacts too.
We could spend a long time analyzing each of the match-ups on a macro level, but what it ultimately comes down to is that so far it seems like Hasbro’s parts are inferior across the board, with a maybe a few exceptions:
Possibly better than TAKARA-TOMY variants:
- Valtryek: The win percentage comparison suggests that it is better, but the gap may not be that huge in reality. Obviously however, it’s more durable than the TT version though, so that alone probably makes it viable.
- Storm Spriggan: Much more resistant to bursting than the TT version; that alone makes it much better.
- Roktavor: 1234beyblade tested this one, but I’ve heard that he definitely thinks it is better than the TT version.
- Spryzen: Bursts so easily … Definitely worse than Spriggan in my eyes.
- Odax: The significant mold difference (protrusions added above the shurikens on each side of the design) and weight difference seen in Odax has resulted in a definite nerf in comparison to Odin.
- Nepstrius: Mold and weight differences have also killed this Layer for Hasbro. Interestingly however, TAKARA-TOMY Valkyrie had a very difficult time with it in my VLA tests as you can see in the VLA (TT) vs NHR (Hasbro) results. Wasn’t bad in 1234beyblade’s VHD tests though, for what it’s worth.
- King Kerbeus: Didn’t test this one myself, but looking at 1234beyblade and Bey Brad’s results it seems like it was getting OSed very easily.
Side note on the Hasbro Accel Performance Tip/Driver: the surface area on it is smaller than that seen on TAKARA-TOMY’s, resulting in a slightly slower movement speed. This places it in an interesting place between Accel (TAKARA-TOMY) and Blow.
Looking at the Finish Type Frequencies, I’m amused by the fact that 52% of the Hasbro battles ended in Burst Finishes compared to TAKARA-TOMY’s 26%. Bursting sure is rare, Hasbro! Haha. Seeing this statistic makes me start to understand 1234beyblade’s comments he’s been making to me about Beyblade’s bursting too often … seems like it is a bit of a problem in Hasbro vs. Hasbro match-ups with TAKARA-TOMY launchers.
This difference in performance between the two brands when the match-up consists of two Beyblades from the same brand is concerning, but seeing the mixed brand statistics is quite fascinating as they appear to offset each other. Burst Finishes sit between 26% and 52% at 33%, frequency of KOs goes up slightly, and frequency of Outspins sits at 46% between the 29% from Hasbro only and whopping 60% from TAKARA-TOMY only.
After this batch of testing I’d like to say that I would be comfortable bringing Hasbro Beyblade Burst parts into WBO Organized Play as is, but part of me also worries that we might be sentencing Hasbro-only players to death to some degree considering the 66% overall win percentage of TAKARA-TOMY Beyblades against Hasbro Beyblades. At the same time, I don’t know if splintering our community by creating separate formats for each brand would be a positive path to take either.
With that said, I’d love to hear what you all think. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. And if anyone who has both TAKARA-TOMY and Hasbro versions of parts, I encourage to contribute your own tests in this thread as well!
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - Bey Brad - Sep. 24, 2016
Thanks for writing this up, Kei – awesome to see the final data assembled together and I have to say that everyone's results line up with my own impressions as well. Regarding Roktavor, the Hasbro version is definitely better since it's way more resistant to bursting. The mechanism feels tighter than any of the other Hasbro Beyblades.
I think the way the new burst mechanism works is fine, but that soft plastic is really a killer. Just totally changes the performance of every single part, generally for the worse. I would say that Hasbro parts might have better defense since they dull the impact of hits, but not sure how that could translate into competitive performance right now.
With Odax, I think the situation is that Hasbro's Burst mechanism probably can't be as loose as Takara-Tomy's, so they added those projections to make it burstable. Either way it definitely makes it inferior to the original Odin. Nepstrius is weirdly way easier to burst than the Takara-Tomy version, and Spryzen too. Very weird changes.
Overall it's hard not to feel a bit disappointed. I still think Hasbro's burst mechanism is way better engineered, but it doesn't seem like they've necessarily improved the process of tweaking it for each layer. And the soft plastic, on top of being cloudy and cheaper-looking, performs worse. It's impossible to deny that they are just lower quality products than Takara-Tomy's releases, by a pretty surprising margin.
But I'm having a lot of fun with them, all the same, particularly the ones that perform surprisingly differently. And I think there is a ton of potential for the game to get more interesting as more of these come out.
Quote:After this batch of testing I’d like to say that I would be comfortable bringing Hasbro Beyblade Burst parts into WBO Organized Play as is, but part of me also worries that we might be sentencing Hasbro-only players to death to some degree considering the 66% overall win percentage of TAKARA-TOMY Beyblades against Hasbro Beyblades. At the same time, I don’t know if splintering our community by creating separate formats for each brand would be a positive path to take either.
This is how I feel as well. I definitely think Hasbro-only should be available as a format for hosts that want to run it, but the differences measured here don't necessarily reflect what would happen in competitive performance. Hasbro parts simply need to be used differently. For example, a combo like Roktavor Heavy Blow or Zephyr can hit pretty hard in Hasbro parts, something you'd be pretty crazy to try with Takara-Tomy.
There's also the fact that we're missing so many staples of the game in Hasbro's releases — Wyvern, Deathscyther, Dark Deathscyther, Xtreme — that it's hard to say how the metagame can really shape up right now. I would definitely feel comfortable using some Hasbro stuff in a tournament right now, though.
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - Kei - Sep. 24, 2016
Ah, that makes me really excited to test Roktavor! Even if the performance is generally worse for Hasbro Energy Layers, there's definitely some bright spots here and there (and a few like Victory Valtryek that appear to be similar in performance to the TT versions), and testing to discover the differences has been a lot of fun for me too.
I agree that the slope mechanism is undoubtedly better; the fact that Valtryek is at least pretty decent is exciting since we don’t have to worry about teeth wear. That’s huge.
Your point about us having to use Hasbro parts differently is a good one. That’s the next step, I think. For these tests I kind of used what we know about TAKARA-TOMY combinations as the baseline for deciding what match-ups to test because we didn’t know much of anything about the performance of the Hasbro parts. It would be interesting to do another set of results trying different strategies now that we have decent base of knowledge on how the Hasbro parts work.
I’ll be interested to see how the game evolves as more of the staples are released as well.
What is your opinion of King Kerbeus, Brad? I was shocked to see it being outspun seemingly so easily by Accel combos with aggressive Layers. I guess Unicrest might be the best option at this point for Defense (and Stamina?) among Hasbro parts?
The only thing I worry about making Hasbro-only format an option for hosts is that TAKARA-TOMY players would be left out. Yes, they could probably borrow parts, but they might not have the knowledge of Hasbro parts to be competitive which might discourage them from participating if their BeyRank is on the line. At least in mixed events they can still use their TT parts, even if they do know little about any Hasbro parts they run in to. However, I do acknowledge that this will become less of a problem as time goes on and Burst is released more widely around the world in all countries.
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - Bey Brad - Sep. 24, 2016
Kerbeus K2 is just stunningly bad, just a few hits will take it down. It's that soft plastic!
I am not too worried about Takara-Tomy players feeling left out since I would bet that the overwhelming majority of tournaments would opt for a standard mixed format (were it implemented that way). The major disadvantage for Hasbro players would not be the difference between manufacturers but the fact that they don't have access to all the parts. The incompatibility makes this a bit bigger of an issue than before, but the game managed to survive before with mixed manufacturers despite deficiencies, too.
Quote:Side note on the Hasbro Accel Performance Tip/Driver: the surface area on it is smaller than that seen on TAKARA-TOMY’s, resulting in a slightly slower movement speed. This places it in an interesting place between Accel (TAKARA-TOMY) and Blow.
Missed this on the first read, but thanks for confirming this. I thought it seemed slower.
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - Barreto - Sep. 24, 2016
Thanks for all these tests!
A bit disappointed with Hasbro's performance, looks like the only thing going for them is no teeth wear. Hope they release the Beylauncher because without it tournaments will be even worse for Hasbro bladers, though that can be fixed by lending/selling them.
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - Leo Burst - Sep. 24, 2016
Wow Kei, this is an amazing post. Super useful and exactly how I felt with the Hasbros I got.
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - BladerLight - Sep. 24, 2016
so will they be allowed for commpiteve play now
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - Real_ilinnuc - Sep. 24, 2016
Quote:Finish Type Frequencies (Both Hasbro)
139 Total Rounds (including draws)
Burst Finish: 72 Rounds, 52%
Knock Out: 12 Rounds, 9%
Outspin: 41 Rounds, 29%
Double Burst Finish: 14 Rounds, 10%
Finish Type Frequencies (Both TAKARA-TOMY)
115 Total Rounds (including draws)
Burst Finish: 30 Rounds, 26%
Knock Out: 11 Rounds, 10%
Outspin: 69 Rounds, 60%
Double Burst Finish: 4 Rounds, 3%
Double Outspin: 1 Round 1%
So Hasbro actually bursts MORE?
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - TL14 - Sep. 24, 2016
Wow! That's a lot of tests. I have big respect for you testing all of these parts. Thank you.
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - cadney - Sep. 24, 2016
Thank you guys so much for your hard work testing these against one another!
As someone who wants to bring more local friends into the game, I'm concerned about how these results bode for new Hasbro-only players where the metagame is concerned. I want to tell my friends "you can pick up x and y from Toys 'R' Us and join me today!" but I also don't want them to feel like they're at a severe disadvantage, not only because they're just learning the game, but because of the marked difference in part quality.
I agree with Brad, because of this. I think we need to have some Hasbro only tournaments! I'm not super worried about TAKARA-TOMY only players, because we can buy a modest amount of items locally to compete in them if we want to (at least, those of us where Burst is out can). We also have the option of not competing in those events and sticking to mixed events where our parts allow us some degree of advantage already. For us, it'll be like learning a new format.. but I dunno, I think that's part of the fun. And if it helps newcomers have a good time in our community, I'm all for it!
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - Minion - Sep. 24, 2016
(Sep. 24, 2016 4:37 PM)cadney Wrote: Thank you guys so much for your hard work testing these against one another!
As someone who wants to bring more local friends into the game, I'm concerned about how these results bode for new Hasbro-only players where the metagame is concerned. I want to tell my friends "you can pick up x and y from Toys 'R' Us and join me today!" but I also don't want them to feel like they're at a severe disadvantage, not only because they're just learning the game, but because of the marked difference in part quality.
I mean even if their initial parts are inferior, if they have a good time, they might consider ordering TT parts in the future. It's kind of a bummer that the parts don't seem as good, but it's probably not going to effect the casual player right off the bat.
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - johnwolf - Sep. 24, 2016
I appreciate what you did and enjoyed reading about the tests you did as I don't nor can afford Burst Beys at this point. I really like you went out of your way to do this. That being said I have two complaints, first the serious one.
Your sample size is too small, you need to do atleast 100 for each test for these to be accurate or atleast acceptable. And with the 3 of you could launch the Beys enough times to reach that quota. I know that's boring but it's necessary when you're doing an experiment, especially when random factors are applied. Also, you needed to agree which mixes you where going to do as a group instead of random mixes on each person.
Second, there's no TT vs Hasbro which would have Two of the same Beys fighting each other from the two companies. This would add more data points to work with as well. it would mean you would need a control for that as well. But this is more of a nitpick
Again, I thank you for the time and energy that went into this test. That being said, this data is incomplete and shouldn't be taken seriously until more tests are ran.
Sorry if it feels like I'm coming off as a duche, I just want proper test procedure to be followed when you got random elements involved.
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - Bey Brad - Sep. 24, 2016
The original post discusses concerns about the lack of statistical significance.
More tests might result in slightly different numbers, but that's inevitable due to the huge number of variables involved. You're never going to get perfect data, and this report is merely a frame of reference when comparing the two brands' releases. It's true that stuff like win % is unreliable with numbers this low, but the point of this test wasn't to say with confidence exactly how often Nepstrius beats Neptune. The real purpose of this is to compare the overall performance of Hasbro Vs. TT and identify why there are differences. I think we've done that.
I don't think more test rounds would've resulted in different conclusions, and if there's a particular conclusion that you doubt, please point it out so we can address it. We're not going to do 100 rounds for each test. If you're not satisfied with the test posted here, you or anyone else is welcome to share their own test results here, too!
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - Dark_Mousy - Sep. 24, 2016
Thank you for doing these tests. Looking at the results I would definitely feel comfortable with bringing in Hasbro to the Burst format. I feel like the introduction of Hasbro would be fun and add a new Dynamic when it comes to Competitive play. It would make picking combos more fun and you would have to put more thought into it.
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - Dracomageat - Sep. 25, 2016
I don't like the idea that neither the Hasbro drivers nor the Hasbro layers are the same as the TT ones, meaning that picking a low wear Valkyrie means you're locked out of the full speed Accel, for example. Certain combos are essentially arbitrarily removed from our options pool this way.
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - philo1114 - Sep. 25, 2016
thanks for all the testings. It must've been a long and boring repetitive work to do the testings.
May i ask about the spinning performance of the hasbro beyblades? I mean the raw spinning duration.
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - bigbangpegs - Sep. 25, 2016
Remember that this data does not mean that all Hasbro pieces are bad. Personally, I feel like Hasbro v2 might held back by its variable/ disk etc. 1234beyblades first impression of the bet had him putting in a TT disc with his Hasbro v2 and a TT extreme driver. It performed exceedingly well with other good strong combos
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - BeyCrafter - Sep. 25, 2016
(Sep. 25, 2016 1:25 AM)bigbangpegs Wrote: Remember that this data does not mean that all Hasbro pieces are bad. Personally, I feel like Hasbro v2 might held back by its variable/ disk etc. 1234beyblades first impression of the bet had him putting in a TT disc with his Hasbro v2 and a TT extreme driver. It performed exceedingly well with other good strong combos
Yeah, but Hasbro layers were never ment to be used with TT drivers. The slope with the driver makes it harder to burst and difficult to remove because of the friction of the driver and the Energy Layer. I belive this makes sense.
Edit: *layers
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - Cake - Sep. 25, 2016
My main question is how does V_Z/A (Hasbro) do against the exceptionally common Deathscyther combos present in today's meta? The results so far seem to indicate that Valtryek is significantly more reliable than Valkyrie, which will definitely help. By this I mean please test Hasbro Valtryek combo of your choice against top-tier Takara Deathscyther.
Also, related: Nepstrius does come with Zephyr, right? Is Hasbro's Zephyr smaller than usual as well? I would think that Zephyr would be the go-to over Accel in pretty much every case given that even Takara's Zephyr is marginally wider than Accel, and the hole is known to provide a slight Stamina boost as well.
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - Kei - Sep. 25, 2016
(Sep. 25, 2016 2:22 AM)Cake Wrote: Also, related: Nepstrius does come with Zephyr, right? Is Hasbro's Zephyr smaller than usual as well? I would think that Zephyr would be the go-to over Accel in pretty much every case given that even Takara's Zephyr is marginally wider than Accel, and the hole is known to provide a slight Stamina boost as well.
Will reply more later, but Nepstrius does indeed come with Zephyr. It's not smaller than usual, but the perimeter of the tip is slightly rounded, kind of like Accel. I haven't compared the speed of the TT Zephyr to it, but today at the TRU PlayDay event in Toronto I compared Hasbro Accel with Hasbro Zephyr and Zephyr was definitely faster.
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - cadney - Sep. 25, 2016
(Sep. 24, 2016 5:20 PM)Minion Wrote: I mean even if their initial parts are inferior, if they have a good time, they might consider ordering TT parts in the future. It's kind of a bummer that the parts don't seem as good, but it's probably not going to effect the casual player right off the bat.
This is possible, yeah. But I'm assuming not all those friends are shopping service savvy and some of them would prefer to just drive to Toys 'R' Us and be tournament ready. I feel them... shipping is a hassle. I think we can deal with this by having more TT products to sell at tournaments when we see the boom in new Hasbro players (@[Kei] is our saviour in Toronto) incase they notice a significant difference and want to grab some TT beys in person!
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - Bey Brad - Sep. 25, 2016
I don't think you even need to be shopping service savvy anymore. There are lots of pretty affordable import sellers out there now.
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - Barreto - Sep. 25, 2016
The more I think about it, the more I think the WBO should do a Hasbro-only format. The different mechanism, plastic, plus some of the mold differences makes me think we shouldn't mix the two brands together; TT just performs better against them. Most inactive areas/communities will become active with Hasbro and I think it will be much more fun for everyone to play with the same Hasbro parts assortment rather than having some people dominate just by using TT.
Edit: Forgot to add that this has pretty much always been a thing in the WBO because of TT being ahead of schedule, older bladers tend to gravitate towards the stronger current releases, but this time it feels a bit different because the whole mechanism change just makes it seem like a totally different series for me.
Also if anyone could do some solo spin time tests between Hasbro and TT I would greatly appreciate it.
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - Dracomageat - Sep. 25, 2016
Barreto, I understand the argument for making Hasbro Burst beys their own meta but why should TT ones be their own? Have we seen anything to even remotely suggest that the two brands should be entirely seperated?
Until we do, I say a Hasbro meta and an all beys meta is the way to go.
RE: Hasbro vs. TAKARA-TOMY Beyblade Burst Testing, Comparison & Discussion - Barreto - Sep. 26, 2016
That's true, though Hasbro would probably be heavily underused until they release more beys (and that's implying they release more beys that are better than their TT counterparts).
Could the committee do some "Hasbro Bursts on to the Scene" events (that don't affect your BeyRank)? Making them either Hasbro only or mixed, so we can see how they perform in a tournament setting.