[LTD] RB/RF Comparison - Stormscorpio1 - Aug. 29, 2015
Omega RB/RF Comparison
Hey guys, so I noticed a lot of talk of banning RB due to its ability to be used as a safe attack option that has the potential to OS defense. I decided to do some test to see for myself if the part is as good as everyone says.
Parts choice
Omega
I decided to use Omega for these test due to its heavy weight and it's decent contact points.
Pegasus III
I went with Pegasus III for these test because I really liked the contact points that it has with Omega.
CH120
I went with CH120 because of its Versatility in events, I also think that 145 on Omega is very solid against 230 customs.
RF
I used RF because of all the rubber attack tips I seem to have the most success with RF.
RB
I chose RB over RSF because it seems that RB seems to be the better of the two tips based off of tournament results.
The Test
Defense
Vs. MF-H Libra 230 RS
MF-H Omega Pegasus III CH120(120) RF Vs. MF-H Libra 230 RS
Omega 6 wins (all KO)
Libra 14 wins (2 KO 12 OS)
Omega win rate 30%
MF-H Omega Pegasus III CH120(145) RF Vs. MF-H Libra 230 RS
Omega 4 wins (all KO)
Libra 16 wins (1 KO 15 OS)
Omega win rate 20%
MF-H Omega Pegasus III CH120(120) RB Vs. MF-H Libra 230 RS
Omega 7 wins (3 KO 4 OS)
Libra 13 wins (all OS)
Omega win rate 35%
MF-H Omega Pegasus III CH120(145) RB Vs. MF-H Libra 230 RS
Omega 7 wins (1 KO 6 OS)
Libra 13 wins (all OS)
Omega win rate 35%
Vs. MF-H Libra GB145 CS
MF-H Omega Pegasus III CH120(120) RF Vs. MF-H Libra GB145 CS
Omega 14 wins (all KO)
Libra 6 wins (1 KO 3 OS)
Omega win rate 60%
MF-H Omega Pegasus III CH120(145) RF Vs. MF-H Libra GB145 CS
Omega 10 wins (all KO)
Libra 10 wins (4 KO 6 OS)
Omega win rate 50%
MF-H Omega Pegasus III CH120(120) RB Vs. MF-H Libra GB145 CS
Omega 1 win (all KO)
Libra 19 wins (1 KO 18 OS)
Omega win rate 5%
MF-H Omega Pegasus III CH120(145) RB Vs. MF-H Libra GB145 CS
Omega 4 wins (all KO)
Libra 16 wins (all OS)
Omega win rate 20%
Thunder Dome's Test
MF-H Libra GB145 CS Wrote:MF-H Screw Horuseus 85 RB vs MF-H Libra GB145 CS
Screw: 7 (7 KO, 0 OS)
Libra: 13 (13 OS, 0 KO)
RB Win Percentage: 35%
Detailed Results
1. Screw KO
2. Libra OS
3. Screw KO
4. Screw KO
5. Screw KO
6. Libra OS
7. Screw KO
8. Libra OS
9. Libra OS
10. Libra OS
11. Libra OS
12. Libra OS
13. Screw KO
14. Libra OS
15. Libra OS
16. Screw KO
17. Libra OS
18. Libra OS
19. Libra OS
20. Libra OS
MF-H Screw Horuseus 85 RSF vs MF-H Libra GB145 CS
Screw: 4 (3 KO, 1 OS)
Libra: 16 (15 OS, 1 KO)
RSF Win Percentage: 20%
Detailed Results
1. Libra OS
2. Libra OS
3. Libra OS
4. Libra OS
5. Libra OS
6. Libra OS
7. Libra KO
8. Libra OS
9. Libra OS
10. Libra OS
11. Screw KO
12. Screw OS
13. Screw KO
14. Screw KO
15. Libra OS
16. Libra OS
17. Libra OS
18. Libra OS
19. Libra OS
20. Libra OS
MF-H Screw Horuseus 85 RF vs MF-H Libra GB145 CS
Screw:13 (13 KO, 0 OS)
Libra:7 (7 OS, 0 KO)
Screw Win Percentage: 65%
Detailed ResultsScrew KO
1. Screw KO
2. Libra OS
3. Screw KO
4. Libra OS
5. Libra OS
6. Screw KO
7. Screw KO
8. Screw KO
9. Screw KO
10. Libra OS
11. Libra OS
12. Screw KO
13. Libra OS
14. Screw KO
15. Screw KO
16. Screw KO
17. Libra OS
18. Screw KO
19. Screw KO
20. Screw KO
MF-H Libra 230 RS Wrote:MF-H Screw Horuseus 85 RB vs MF-H Libra 230 RS
Screw: 2 (2 KO, 0 OS)
Libra: 18 (18 OS, 0 KO)
RB Win Percentage: 10%
Detailed Results
1. Libra OS
2. Libra OS
3. Libra OS
4. Libra OS
5. Libra OS
6. Libra OS
7. Libra OS
8. Screw KO
9. Libra OS
10. Libra OS
11. Libra OS
12. Libra OS
13. Libra OS
14. Libra OS
15. Libra OS
16. Libra OS
17. Libra OS
18. Libra OS
19. Screw KO
20. Libra OS
MF-H Screw Horuseus 85 RSF vs MF-H Libra 230 RS
Screw: 1 (1 KO, 0 OS)
Libra: 19 (19 OS, 0 KO)
RSF Win Percentage: 5%
Detailed Results
1. Libra OS
2. Libra OS
3. Libra OS
4. Libra OS
5. Libra OS
6. Libra OS
7. Libra OS
8. Libra OS
9. Libra OS
10. Libra OS
11. Libra OS
12. Libra OS
13. Libra OS
14. Libra OS
15. Libra OS
16. Libra OS
17. Screw KO
18. Libra OS
19. Libra OS
20. Libra OS
MF-H Screw Horuseus 85 RF vs MF-H Libra 230 RS
Screw: 3 (3 KO, 0 OS)
Libra: 17 (17 OS, 0 OS)
RF Win Percentage: 15%
Detailed Results
1. Libra OS
2. Libra OS
3. Libra OS
4. Libra OS
5. Libra OS
6. Libra OS
7. Libra OS
8. Libra OS
9. Libra OS
10. Libra OS
11. Libra OS
12. Libra OS
13. Screw KO
14. Libra OS
15. Libra OS
16. Screw KO
17. Libra OS
18. Libra OS
19. Libra OS
20. Screw KO
Win Percentage Comparison Wrote:Okay here is the comparison of win percentages after the tests
RB: 22.5 %
RSF: 12.5%
RF: 40%
RF definitely did the best almost doubling RB and almost quadrupling RSF.
Conclusion
These are all the test that I've done so far, I will do test against stamina later today and I'll update the OP when I do. As of right now it seems that, against defense at least, RB does not make enough of a difference in stamina to use it over a more traditional tip like RF.
RE: [LTD] Omega RB/RF Comparison - Thunder Dome - Aug. 29, 2015
I'm not sure about others opinions but would you mind changing the thread to RB/RF comparison instead of Omega RB/RF comparison? I noticed others using other combinations trying to utilize RB or RSF for attack such as Lightning. Although glad someone made a thread for this. Here are some of my results that I posted in the Limited Banlist Thread.
(Aug. 29, 2015 5:36 PM)Thunder Dome Wrote: Okay I did some comparison tests between RB/RSF and RF. Before anyone says anything yes I did use Screw, I do not currently own an Omega so I couldn't test that. Although this still should give a pretty good comparison between RB, RSF and RF. Libra was launched first in every test.
Part Breakdown
MF-H Screw Horuseus 85 RB/RSF/RF
MF-H: I wanted to make it as heavy as possible.
Screw: The best attack wheel I had for right spin since I don't own an Omega and it does get the job done.
Horuseus: My favorite clear wheel ever for attack. It is so thick and it just does so much for the attack combo using.
85: I decided I wanted to use LTAC for these tests and picked the lowest track I could find.
RB/RSF/RF: I used these because I wanted to compare RB, RSF and RF to see if RB and RSF are really as good as people say they are.
MF-H Libra GB145 CS/230 RS
MF-H: Heaviest Face there is and I wanted something really heavy for my defense type.
Libra: By far the best defense wheel in Limited format so I had to use it.
GB145 CS: Honestly one of my favorite mid height defense combos in limited. The CS was some motion but not that much.
230 RS: Probably one of the best (if not the best) defense track and tip combination for limited. It's quite hard to take down and if your opponent is using a low track beyblade you basically auto win.
MF-H Libra GB145 CS Wrote:MF-H Screw Horuseus 85 RB vs MF-H Libra GB145 CS
Screw: 7 (7 KO, 0 OS)
Libra: 13 (13 OS, 0 KO)
RB Win Percentage: 35%
Detailed Results
1. Screw KO
2. Libra OS
3. Screw KO
4. Screw KO
5. Screw KO
6. Libra OS
7. Screw KO
8. Libra OS
9. Libra OS
10. Libra OS
11. Libra OS
12. Libra OS
13. Screw KO
14. Libra OS
15. Libra OS
16. Screw KO
17. Libra OS
18. Libra OS
19. Libra OS
20. Libra OS
Okay RB did alright I guess. Still it wasn't very consistent though and just couldn't get the knock out's some times. I think it might've got one late game knock out, but for the most part if it didn't KO it within the first few hits it was over.
MF-H Screw Horuseus 85 RSF vs MF-H Libra GB145 CS
Screw: 4 (3 KO, 1 OS)
Libra: 16 (15 OS, 1 KO)
RSF Win Percentage: 20%
Detailed Results
1. Libra OS
2. Libra OS
3. Libra OS
4. Libra OS
5. Libra OS
6. Libra OS
7. Libra KO
8. Libra OS
9. Libra OS
10. Libra OS
11. Screw KO
12. Screw OS
13. Screw KO
14. Screw KO
15. Libra OS
16. Libra OS
17. Libra OS
18. Libra OS
19. Libra OS
20. Libra OS
Not very impressed by these results, it lacked the power to get consistent KO's most of the time.
MF-H Screw Horuseus 85 RF vs MF-H Libra GB145 CS
Screw:13 (13 KO, 0 OS)
Libra:7 (7 OS, 0 KO)
Screw Win Percentage: 65%
Detailed ResultsScrew KO
1. Screw KO
2. Libra OS
3. Screw KO
4. Libra OS
5. Libra OS
6. Screw KO
7. Screw KO
8. Screw KO
9. Screw KO
10. Libra OS
11. Libra OS
12. Screw KO
13. Libra OS
14. Screw KO
15. Screw KO
16. Screw KO
17. Libra OS
18. Screw KO
19. Screw KO
20. Screw KO
So far RF looked Completely superior to RB and RSF. It was able to easily KO Libra, while the others did struggle a bit. Honestly if Libra didn't hit the wall so many times and my RF was in a bit better condition RF would've completed smoked it.
MF-H Libra 230 RS Wrote:MF-H Screw Horuseus 85 RB vs MF-H Libra 230 RS
Screw: 2 (2 KO, 0 OS)
Libra: 18 (18 OS, 0 KO)
RB Win Percentage: 10%
Detailed Results
1. Libra OS
2. Libra OS
3. Libra OS
4. Libra OS
5. Libra OS
6. Libra OS
7. Libra OS
8. Screw KO
9. Libra OS
10. Libra OS
11. Libra OS
12. Libra OS
13. Libra OS
14. Libra OS
15. Libra OS
16. Libra OS
17. Libra OS
18. Libra OS
19. Screw KO
20. Libra OS
Not even a chance. Not much else to say really. It just got completely destroyed, hardly ever had a chance of out spinning.
MF-H Screw Horuseus 85 RSF vs MF-H Libra 230 RS
Screw: 1 (1 KO, 0 OS)
Libra: 19 (19 OS, 0 KO)
RSF Win Percentage: 5%
Detailed Results
1. Libra OS
2. Libra OS
3. Libra OS
4. Libra OS
5. Libra OS
6. Libra OS
7. Libra OS
8. Libra OS
9. Libra OS
10. Libra OS
11. Libra OS
12. Libra OS
13. Libra OS
14. Libra OS
15. Libra OS
16. Libra OS
17. Screw KO
18. Libra OS
19. Libra OS
20. Libra OS
This was actual really painful to watch. RSF couldn't do anything. Couldn't move it and couldn't out spin it. It got one lucky knock out and that was it.
MF-H Screw Horuseus 85 RF vs MF-H Libra 230 RS
Screw: 3 (3 KO, 0 OS)
Libra: 17 (17 OS, 0 OS)
RF Win Percentage: 15%
Detailed Results
1. Libra OS
2. Libra OS
3. Libra OS
4. Libra OS
5. Libra OS
6. Libra OS
7. Libra OS
8. Libra OS
9. Libra OS
10. Libra OS
11. Libra OS
12. Libra OS
13. Screw KO
14. Libra OS
15. Libra OS
16. Screw KO
17. Libra OS
18. Libra OS
19. Libra OS
20. Screw KO
At least it could move 230 RS just a bit even if it only got one more win than RB. Although end the end Libra 230 RS destroyed all of these although it wasn't to surprising considering everything was on 85.
Win Percentage Comparison Wrote:Okay here is the comparison of win percentages after the tests
RB: 22.5 %
RSF: 12.5%
RF: 40%
RF definitely did the best almost doubling RB and almost quadrupling RSF.
Okay so after my testing my final thought is that RSF and RB don't really deserve a ban. I felt RF completely shredded both in terms of results and I feel that if anything RSF and RB seem quite over hyped considering the results. Hope everyone liked this post and hopefully this information helps in determining the limited ban list.
RE: [LTD] RB/RF Comparison - Stormscorpio1 - Aug. 29, 2015
Hey would you mind if I put your results in the OP? Just so it's all in one place.
RE: [LTD] RB/RF Comparison - Thunder Dome - Aug. 29, 2015
Yeah that's perfectly fine man. It would be really good for everyone if all the information was in the same place.
Thanks for the tests as well by the way.
RE: [LTD] RB/RF Comparison - Mitsu - Aug. 29, 2015
Did you find it was hard for RSF to catch the Tornado Ridge, Thunder Dome? It never seemed to be the case with RB but it's always been an issue I've had, even with a pretty worn-down RSF, personally.
I don't think I'm going to close this, but I think rather than making a thread comparing the two, posting the results in the Limited Ban List Thread or the Limited tier-list discussion may have been a bit more fitting. Thank you for them nonetheless, Collin
EDIT: Maybe you can share some of your thoughts on the bottoms, too http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-RB-and-RSF-Use-in-Attack-LTD
RE: [LTD] RB/RF Comparison - Stormscorpio1 - Aug. 29, 2015
Oh sorry about that, I wasn't even thinking about it at the time.
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