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LTSC: MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - 6 God - Dec. 30, 2013
History of LTSC's
LTSC's were outclassed by the release of the 230 track and were proven to be inferior and henceforth forgotten. (Forgive me if my information isn't super accurate, but that was what I was led to believe)
Modern MFB wheels, such as Phantom and Duo where not chosen as LTSC's for these reasons;
Duo was not a good choice for LTSC's because it was very smooth and didn't offer destabalization. It was also relatively light.
Phantom was not chosen because it was way too light!
The Future for LTSC's
The META is swarmed by enormous, tall "Gimmick" tracks. Why are LTSC's going to be able to take down these combos? Because of synchromes. The synchromes are more stable, which means they won't be destabilized from the combo their going against. They also have a sturdy weight to be able to knock the combo off balance more effectively.
MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS
Parts Choices:
MSF-H: Amazing balance and gives extra weight needed.
Genbull: This metal wheel isn't very tall which is good, but even better it has amazing stamina and has slopes for destabalization;
Killerken: Very sturdy and has excellent stamina.
DF105: Low-height; but not low enough to scrape or lose balance. It provides balance at low-rotations which is key for this combo.
EDS: EDS has a point that is free-spinning and doesn't have much friction; thus giving the combo more velocity.
Why this works as an effective destabalizer:
SHAPE: Genbull has slopes that successfully destabalizer the opposing combo.
VELOCITY: The low-friction of EDS achieves a high velocity to grind the track or bottom part of the metal wheel.
Conditions:
Spoiler (Click to View)
Tests:
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RE: The Future for LTSC's "The Dot Matrix" MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - Dual - Dec. 30, 2013
Aren't 20 rounds required? Anyway, i can't test this combo on my own, but I'll mess around with variations.
I wonder though, how did this thing survive attack types?
RE: The Future for LTSC's "The Dot Matrix" MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - 6 God - Dec. 30, 2013
It was obvious they weren't going to get an OS or KO, so 10 was logical.
I really have no idea. MSF-H, Killerken and the free-spinning tip definitely helped. My R2F's were mint but weren't really fast, I guess.
If you do you can use MB, as that works best. Except against TH170 and 230 height variants, excluding E230.
RE: The Future for LTSC's "The Dot Matrix" MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - DRAGON KING - Dec. 30, 2013
U made 2 threads BTW
RE: The Future for LTSC's "The Dot Matrix" MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - Dual - Dec. 30, 2013
I only own Killerken and EDS from that combo, and I don't have MB, but I'll see what I can do.
RE: The Future for LTSC's "The Dot Matrix" MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - 6 God - Dec. 30, 2013
Maybe just a regular 105 or W105? Orojya could work. Attack tests would help.
RE: The Future for LTSC's "The Dot Matrix" MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - DRAGON KING - Dec. 30, 2013
I'd like to see this against Bahamdia dragooon 85r2f/lrf
RE: The Future for LTSC's "The Dot Matrix" MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - 6 God - Dec. 30, 2013
Don't have Bahamdia, but what about Gryph Begirados 85R2F?
RE: The Future for LTSC's "The Dot Matrix" MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - DRAGON KING - Dec. 30, 2013
(Dec. 30, 2013 6:34 AM)Kaizer Wrote: Don't have Bahamdia, but what about Gryph Begirados 85R2F?
Hmmmm, that might work. Anything that with 85 and good attack ability.
EDIT: the tests look good, there might be potential in this custom.
RE: The Future for LTSC's "The Dot Matrix" MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - 6 God - Dec. 30, 2013
I finished the tests and added them to the OP.
RE: The Future for LTSC's "The Dot Matrix" MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - DrPepsidew - Dec. 30, 2013
Those attack tests are a little backwards.
I'll do the tests tomorrow.
RE: The Future for LTSC's "The Dot Matrix" MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - DRAGON KING - Dec. 30, 2013
(Dec. 30, 2013 6:47 AM)Kaizer Wrote: I finished the tests and added them to the OP.
Wow, that was pretty fast XD. I'm not surprised that it got a bit less wins than the attack type, but that's not to bad for a stamina type.
RE: The Future for LTSC's "The Dot Matrix" MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - Snoop Dog MS - Dec. 30, 2013
Just to let you know, please don't do nicknames, we had a problem with that before :\
RE: The Future for LTSC's "The Dot Matrix" MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - lovesick - Dec. 30, 2013
Benchmark pls. Although it has genbull, an EDS shouldnot be that defensive.
RE: The Future for LTSC's "The Dot Matrix" MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - Kujikato - Dec. 30, 2013
1. Please, no nicknames as mentioned earlier... Please.
2. Interesting concept, I assume DF105 is for weight. A concern of mine is the wing direction, wouldn't it be helped velocity wise with W105? Unless the weight difference is really critical.
3. LTAC please, maybe left-spin LTAC as well?
4. EDS. Interesting choice I must say, and a point I really think should be brought up is that EDS was taken off the tier list, mainly because of its really, really high risk. The problem with EDS is that, if hit hard enough, it will turn super aggro as it spins on the ring around the point. Do you have this problem? Do note if this event occurred during testing, as it is rather important to see how often it occurs for tournament usage 'probability'. This being a Synchrom makes me worry as well.
5. Great concept, interesting conclusion, interesting combo, I have lost track of the Standard Format's Meta, so yeah.
6. Left Spin version?
RE: LTSC: MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - 6 God - Dec. 30, 2013
The aggro only occurred during my most recent testing with an LTAC.
I can try W105 I doubt it will make much of any difference. No the weight isn't crucial for the track.
Left-Spin couldn't OS anything with Duo, but I had a different combo in the Zero-G stadium that did amazing against F230. Nothing worked better than EDS. MB came close, but didn't do well againt TH170 and 230 variants(excluding E230),
ROAR, if something has enough weight to KO phantom without being aggressive, must be pretty defensive. Feel free to test if you want. The attack tests really shouldn't take away from the true meaning of the combo anyways.
RE: LTSC: MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - DrPepsidew - Dec. 31, 2013
Wyvang^2 AD145 R2F vs. Killerken Genbull DF105 EDS
KG always launched first.
Detail Results (Click to View)
KG: 5 (4 OS, 1 KO)
WW Win %: 75.0%
I used the Beytest app by Ingulit, it freaking rocks.
RE: LTSC: MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - 6 God - Dec. 31, 2013
Thanks DrPepsidew! It does do worse against Wyvang.
RE: LTSC: MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - DrPepsidew - Dec. 31, 2013
Genbull^2 E230 MB vs. Killerken Genbull DF105 EDS
KG launched first on even launches, GG launched first on odd.
Detail Results (Click to View)
KG: 0 (0 OS, 0 KO)
GG Win %: 100.0%
RE: LTSC: MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - 6 God - Dec. 31, 2013
Those tests are really odd...
Was your EDS worn?
RE: LTSC: MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - lovesick - Jan. 01, 2014
Flash Orion S130RF vs Killerken Genbull W105EDS
Mint RF, mint EDS. New Genbull, worn Flash.
FO: 20 wins (all ko)
KG: 0 wins
KG win percentage: 0 %
RE: LTSC: MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - Cannon - Jan. 01, 2014
Are you sure Flash got all those KOes? There must be at least once or twice where wall saves play in ..
RE: LTSC: MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - DrPepsidew - Jan. 01, 2014
It's mint, my combo is just really good lol
RE: LTSC: MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - 6 God - Jan. 01, 2014
Lol okay. Were the wins close?
RE: LTSC: MSF-H Killerken Genbull DF105EDS - DrPepsidew - Jan. 01, 2014
Not at all
