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Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - lovesick - May. 16, 2013
After some failure with meteo, I decided to upgrade it. This combo is designed to defeat zero- g attack defense and stamina. dragooon is for left spin and upward attack, Reviser is for lowering recoil(attack remember?) Sa165 is for the height and weight, and GF is for LAD. SA165 is in normal mode.
The launch
Launch 100% against left and also right attack. 90%- 70% for right spin def and stam.
Equipment
Beylauncher L and R(seperate)
Against attack
Pheonic gryph SA165 GCF is the attack bey.
RD: 10 wins 9os 1 ko
PG: 0
Like really. 10 to 0. is 20 really required? If someone can test more, then it could be appreciated.
Reviser Dragooon SA165GF(attack mode) vs Wyvang Balro E230GCF
Beys launched first alternatively. GF has one or two scars but doesnt affect the speed and the stability.
RD:15 wins (9 ko, 6 os)
WB:5 wins(5 ko)
RD win rate:75 %
2 ties
Against defense
vs Reviser Killerken E230 SB
RD: 10 wins 9 os 1 KO
RK:0 wins
10 to 0 again. 20? too one sided. RD trashed Rk by swaying it a bit and when E230 got contact with the stadium, it sliced it from below. won by tons of rotations.
vs Death cancer E230 RDF
RD: 10 wins 8os 2 ko
DC: 0 wins
too one sided! I dont know why. Same method of winning. won by 2 to 5 rotations.
Against stanima ( anti spin equalizer)-
vs Death cancer W145 ewd
RD: 10 wins 2 ko 8 os
DC: 0 wins
May I say that when it is 10 to 0, 20 rounds is not needed?
Tests requests
Duo Sa165 BWD
RD B:d
RK E230 BWD
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - Ultra - May. 16, 2013
Why do you keep testing against death? Duo is better for stamina and defence. Was it because of it's "grinding" ability?
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - lovesick - May. 16, 2013
Ultra, I did death becoz of its defense agaisnt spin equalizers.
But
test against duo cygnus E230 mb
string launchers (l and r)
RD: 10 wins ( all os)
DC: 0wins
One sided again. launched slightly less powerful(80%)
Duo cant cope with the spin equalizing.
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - lovesick - May. 17, 2013
new tests
vs reviser killerken E230 EWD
RD: 10 wins(10 os)
RK:0wins
1 tie
one sided again.
vs duo cygnusE230 Ewd
RD: 10 wins (9os, 1 0gko)
DC: 0 wins
2 ties
one sided again.
vs Duo cygnus SA165 EWD
RD: 16 wins ( 2 0gko, 14 os)
DC: 4 wins (os)
4 ties
At the start of the ten there was 4 wins for duo so i made twenty as it was not one sided. If you launch RD hard enough, then you may have a chance to 0gko. but not overshooting as it will self ko. tight it as tight as possible. if it goes loose it becomes bad.
Actually, these tests are mostly 100% except for spin equalizers.
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - Ultra - May. 17, 2013
Synchrome's have poor stamina. Just because Reviser is round and heavy does not make it good for stamina. Putting an EWD on won't do much. If you face a synchrome combo with WD on it versus a Duo combo with WD on it the synchrome will lose. Also why are you using E230EWD on Duo? I doubt that would be be good. It's good that you're doing tests but testing it against stuff that sucks is wasting your time.
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - diblee123 - May. 17, 2013
Can you please make the tests easier to read? I mean all of it bunched up together. Its so annoying.
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - Tri - May. 18, 2013
You said this is used for upward attack, but upper attack isn't really a thing in MFB as far as I know. And I would like to see tests against more better stuff, like Ultra said.
I'm just not sure what :\
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - lovesick - May. 18, 2013
sorry for the confusion.
ultra, i dont have bwd,so i substituted it with ewd.
people pls test against bwd based combos as i dint have it.
i also dont have dragooon*2
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - Ultra - May. 18, 2013
No. What I meant is that I don't think it's good. I haven't heard of it. If it was top tier someone probably would have discovered it while playing around.
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - lovesick - May. 18, 2013
Ultra, but what if it was no discovered during the playing of all the people? GF is not a bottom useful to many, and SA165 is not very appreciated by people ( Dark mousy and ingulit arent). Reviser Dragooon is a defense/pure spin equalizer setup. IT is possible that it was not discovered before.
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - [)ragon - May. 18, 2013
(May. 18, 2013 10:43 AM)cccyyy Wrote: Ultra, but what if it was no discovered during the playing of all the people? GF is not a bottom useful to many, and SA165 is not very appreciated by people ( Dark mousy and ingulit arent). Reviser Dragooon is a defense/pure spin equalizer setup. IT is possible that it was not discovered before.
Um, actually, I discovered this exact combo like 3 months ago
. I almost made a thread for it, but it seemed to lose much too easily to other spin stealers, right-spin attackers could KO it, and anything with WD/EWD/BWD/W2D could OS it. I have no idea how you got those results against duo cygnus SA165EWD. That is a solid anti-spin stealer. But, if it really can and I was just having a bad day, this thing could be totally amazing! 
Nice work. If this thing keeps getting high results like these, it could turn out to be something great.
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - lovesick - May. 19, 2013
theblackdragon, maybe you didn't launch hard enough where duo Sa165 EWd 's Sa165 cant scrape. If you launch RD hard enough, then it sways, either making duo scrape or 0gko. scraping makes duo lose stamina and cant anti spin equalize effectively. Also, thanks for the appreciation. Maybe you were having a bad day.
I would like to ask again if anyone could test against RD B:D. Sa165 zero- g attack mode pls.
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - Ultra - May. 19, 2013
Yeah we need to test strange things but EWD not working on E230 is kinda common sense. Kinda like how WD, EWD and other similar things don't work very well on 230. I'm sure the principle is basically the same even if there is a giant disk on there.
Look around. Look at the winning combinations thread and test against the things in there. Those are the combos that win tournaments. The people who understand the tournament scene where they live use them because they know they'll be good.
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - lovesick - May. 19, 2013
Ultra, can you test this combo against something instead of telling me what to test with? I dont have BWD, so...... But I may have the chance to test against SP230....[/align]
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - Ultra - May. 19, 2013
No. I have an exam in 4 days I need to study for. And after that I two major projects to do with plastics. I'm trying to educate you. If you're not going to bother to take my advice to improve yourself then I don't see why I should bother giving you any. If you want to know how to test then you should take your own measures. I actually told you where to go.
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - lovesick - May. 19, 2013
Actually, I do also have an exam coming up(two , exactly) and i need to revise. so, I cant do any tests. My parents only let me to buy two beys perYEAR, and I got gladiator bahamdia, and i Cant buy BWD as I dont have money. I dont have genbull, bbg24and 25 and any kind of zero-gs from bbg22 except gladiator and double dragooons
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - lovesick - May. 27, 2013
May I request tests against
Duo sa165 BWD
Duo E230TB/BWD
REViser/killerken/genbull SA165 TB
Reviser/killerken DRagooon B
/SA165 EWDIdont have genbull TB BWd and twin dragooons
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - *Ginga* - May. 27, 2013
Hmm, I have skepticism on how well this combo actually does. It doesn't help that you did ten rounds for almost every test and did not make the tests easy to read.
I can try to do some of the tests today, but don't get your hopes up.
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - [)ragon - May. 27, 2013
(May. 27, 2013 1:05 PM)*Ginga* Wrote: Hmm, I have skepticism on how well this combo actually does. It doesn't help that you did ten rounds for almost every test and did not make the tests easy to read.
I can try to do some of the tests today, but don't get your hopes up.
I have tried this numerous times, and it actually performs very well. The problem is, with the presence of so many B
and SA165EWD/W2D/WD/BWD combos in the metagame, it is very likely to lose to to quite a few things with slightly higher LAD in a tournament situation. It does, however, do pretty well against _____dragooon B combos, which are probably one of, if not the, most widely used variations of combos used in the zero-G metagame. I would not call this my first choice in a tourney, but IMO it could certainly serve as a backup in a stalling clause. About Duo scraping, I have never experiened that... and since duo is so smooth, I would expect it to jump right back up if it did scrape at all...
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - diblee123 - Jun. 14, 2013
Ultra
Stop being such a critic, at least he tested,the combo may have short comings but first test it fully and see its uses and weaknesses. However 20 round is the minimum number of rounds in testing so you should not do 10. Also other people should help testing instead of making him feel like his combo was a total flop.
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - Yuko Ray14 - Jun. 14, 2013
(Jun. 14, 2013 3:31 AM)diblee123 Wrote: Ultra
Stop being such a critic, at least he tested,the combo may have short comings but first test it fully and see its uses and weaknesses. However 20 round is the minimum number of rounds in testing so you should not do 10. Also other people should help testing instead of making him feel like his combo was a total flop.
Dude, Ultra made that post like 2 and a half weeks ago...
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - lovesick - Jun. 14, 2013
the blackdragon,
duo can scrape because of its instability. actually, in my belief, same spin sway can sway the opponent out and opposite spin can destabilize the opponent without contact. Duo's sa165 scraped because of its instability. same for e230s.
Diblee, thanks for ur support.
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - diblee123 - Jun. 14, 2013
(Jun. 14, 2013 3:37 AM)Yuko Ray14 Wrote:(Jun. 14, 2013 3:31 AM)diblee123 Wrote: Ultra
Stop being such a critic, at least he tested,the combo may have short comings but first test it fully and see its uses and weaknesses. However 20 round is the minimum number of rounds in testing so you should not do 10. Also other people should help testing instead of making him feel like his combo was a total flop.
Dude, Ultra made that post like 2 and a half weeks ago...
Does that make it right? It does not change what he said.
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - Izhkoort - Jun. 14, 2013
(Jun. 14, 2013 5:51 AM)cccyyy Wrote: the blackdragon,Duo unstable? In stamina mode should be very balanced, also, only because is opposite spin doesn't mean it automatically destabilize, you need the proper parts to do that
duo can scrape because of its instability. actually, in my belief, same spin sway can sway the opponent out and opposite spin can destabilize the opponent without contact. Duo's sa165 scraped because of its instability. same for e230s.
Diblee, thanks for ur support.
(Jun. 14, 2013 6:38 AM)diblee123 Wrote:He means you are searching for confrontation with an old post that is not necessary to discuss about, and from what I read again (if I didn't miss a post, because that can happen) he didn't say anything impossible or out of common sense, for example, to me this combo is more a sway attacker than a spin equalizer, SA165 and GF both serves more for that, both have LAD but aren't the better for this, also, some combos he used to test against weren't good enough, and that was also true, even theblackdragon mentioned it's flaws(Jun. 14, 2013 3:37 AM)Yuko Ray14 Wrote:Does that make it right? It does not change what he said.(Jun. 14, 2013 3:31 AM)diblee123 Wrote: UltraDude, Ultra made that post like 2 and a half weeks ago...
Stop being such a critic, at least he tested,the combo may have short comings but first test it fully and see its uses and weaknesses. However 20 round is the minimum number of rounds in testing so you should not do 10. Also other people should help testing instead of making him feel like his combo was a total flop.
RE: Reviser Dragooon SA165 GF - Ultra - Jun. 14, 2013
It's both. The fundamental misunderstanding everyone seems to have is that spin equalizers are in no way whatsoever only left spinning. It's just everyone's "understanding" of how stamina works is very warped. I'm working on a massive project to "correct" this so anyone who wants to offer your assistance to me via PM I would very much appreciate it.