Quote:Tornado Stalling is a fan-made expression for the technique that consists in launching a Beyblade, particularly an Attack type, so that it circles the stadium while embracing the innermost barrier, the Tornado Ridge. This strategy, while involuntary and done by default in amateurs' cases, can allow Beyblade combos with plastic tips that are at least semi-aggressive to outspin other combinations because of the barely-restrained velocity ("momentum" would be better ?). With very aggressive customizations, like those using RF, R²F, LRF, MF, XF or WF, the force that wants them to move forward despite the circular shape of the BeyStadium and its slope being contained only by the Tornado Ridge pushes ferociously against this barrier and moves the stadium from side to side, in a linear, horizontal pattern. This shift of position can be enough to destabilize the other Beyblade spinning in the stadium, which will help the combo that is Tornado Stalling to outspin it even more. However, being so close to the extremities of the stadium increases the risks of exiting it by yourself. Also since flat, rubber Bottoms have poor Stamina anyway, it is still preferable to launch such Attack types with a Sliding Shoot instead of Tornado Stalling, to make sure to win in the first few seconds with powerful hits and not risk losing the battle of endurance.

Quote:Tornado Stalling is a fan-made expression for the technique that consists in launching a Beyblade, particularly an Attack type, so that it circles the stadium while embracing the innermost barrier; the Tornado Ridge. This strategy, while involuntary in amateurs' cases, can allow Beyblade combos with plastic tips that are at least semi-aggressive to outspin other combinations because of the barely-restrained momentum. With very aggressive customizations, like those using RF, R²F, LRF, XF or WF, the force that wants them to move forward despite the circular shape of the BeyStadium and its slope being contained only by the Tornado Ridge pushes ferociously against this barrier and moves the stadium from side to side, in a linear, horizontal pattern(not necessarily?). This shift of position can be enough to destabilize the other Beyblade spinning in the stadium, which will help the combo that is Tornado Stalling to outspin it even more. However, since flat, rubber Bottoms have poor Stamina anyway, it is still preferable to launch such Attack types with a Sliding Shoot instead of Tornado Stalling, to make sure to win in the first few seconds with powerful hits and not risk losing the battle of endurance.

Quote:Tornado Stalling is a fan-made expression for the technique that consists in launching a Beyblade, particularly an Attack type, so that it circles the stadium while embracing the innermost barrier, the Tornado Ridge. This strategy, while involuntary and sometimes very common in amateurs' cases, can allow Beyblade combos with plastic tips that are at least semi-aggressive to outspin other combinations because of the barely-restrained velocity. With very aggressive customizations, like those using RF, R²F, LRF, MF, XF or WF, the force that wants them to move forward despite the circular shape of the BeyStadium and its slope being contained only by the Tornado Ridge pushes ferociously against this barrier and moves the stadium from side to side, in a linear, horizontal pattern. This shift of position can be enough to destabilize the other Beyblade spinning in the stadium, which will help the combo that is Tornado Stalling to outspin it even more. However, it can sometimes lead to a self-KO if not executed correctly. Also, since flat, rubber Bottoms have poor Stamina anyway, it is still preferable to launch such Attack types with a Sliding Shoot instead of Tornado Stalling, to make sure to win in the first few seconds with powerful hits and not risk losing the battle of endurance.

(Jul. 29, 2012  2:52 AM)Insomniac Wrote: linear, horizontal pattern(not necessarily?).

(Jul. 29, 2012  2:52 AM)Insomniac Wrote: Velocity:
The speed of something in a given direction.

Momentum:
The quantity of motion of a moving body, measured as a product of its mass and velocity.

Momentum sounds better if we're going by definition, IMO.

(Jul. 29, 2012  3:02 AM)Kai-V Wrote: What I want to write is that the stadium never goes upwards : it always moves as if on a flat x-y graph on the ground.

(Jul. 29, 2012  3:02 AM)Kai-V Wrote: Both, combined, is what I mean though, hah.

(Jul. 29, 2012  3:02 AM)Kai-V Wrote: What I want to write is that the stadium never goes upwards : it always moves as if on a flat x-y graph on the ground.

Quote:Tornado Stalling is a fan-made expression for the technique that consists in launching a Beyblade, usually an Attack type, so that it circles the stadium while embracing the innermost barrier, the Tornado Ridge.

Quote:This strategy, while involuntary and done by default in amateurs' cases,

Quote:...can allow Beyblade combos with flat tips that are at least semi-aggressive to outspin other combinations. because of the barely-restrained velocity ("momentum" would be better ?).

Quote:With very aggressive customizations, like those using RF, R²F, LRF, MF, XF or WF, the force that wants them to move forward despite the circular shape of the BeyStadium and its slope being contained only by the Tornado Ridge pushes ferociously against this barrier and moves the stadium from side to side, in a linear, horizontal pattern. This shift of position can be enough to destabilize the other Beyblade spinning in the stadium, which will help the combo that is Tornado Stalling to outspin it even more.

Quote:However, Tornado Stalling puts your Beyblade close to the extremities of the stadium, increasing both the chance of self-KOs and of being KOed.

Quote:Also since flat, rubber Bottoms have poor Stamina anyway, it is still preferable to launch such Attack types with a Sliding Shoot instead of Tornado Stalling, to make sure to win in the first few seconds with powerful hits and not risk losing the battle of endurance.

Quote:Tornado Stalling is a fan-made expression for the technique that consists in launching a Beyblade, usually an Attack type, so that it circles the stadium while embracing the innermost barrier, the Tornado Ridge. Though this strategy is most often an involuntary result of an amateur using an Attack type, it can be intentionally used to allow Beyblade combos with flat tips (F, RF, MF, and the like) to outspin other combinations. However, Tornado Stalling puts your Beyblade close to the extremities of the stadium, increasing both the chance of self-KOs and of being KOed.

Because standard Attack types aim win in the first few seconds of a battle and typically have poor stamina, it is generally preferred to use the Sliding Shoot over Tornado Stalling to maximize the chance for a KO. That said, if your custom has at least moderate Stamina, intentionally Tornado Stalling can be done if you feel that your custom could potentially OS your opponent, though this is a risky option at best.

(Jul. 29, 2012  7:29 PM)Ingulit Wrote: I'd reword this since, to me, this makes it sound like the strategy is entirely involuntary. Maybe "Though this strategy is most often an involuntary result of an amateur using an attack type, it can..."

(Jul. 29, 2012  7:29 PM)Ingulit Wrote: I think the word "flat" would be better than "plastic" in this case, since any of the Flat variants can take advantage of Tornado Stalling. Also, I think the best way to word this might be to not say it at all, as you can get this point across just by emphasizing the result.

(Jul. 29, 2012  7:29 PM)Ingulit Wrote: I'm crossing out this section because, frankly, I don't firmly agree that it should be included. Stadium movement is sometimes a byproduct of tornado stalling, yes, but only if the stadium is not anchored in some way; this is not always true, however, and as such I would avoid mentioning it altogether.

If this does stay in the final draft of the article, I do want to have a clause that states "this is only true if the stadium is not anchored" or something of the like.

(Jul. 29, 2012  7:29 PM)Ingulit Wrote: This makes Tornado Stalling sound very negative and/or something to avoid entirely. It definitely has its place in competitive blading, so I want to reword this:

"Because standard Attack types aim win in the first few seconds of a battle and typically have poor stamina, it is generally preferred to use the Sliding Shoot to maximize the chance for a KO. That said, if your custom has at least moderate Stamina, intentionally Tornado Stalling can be done if you feel that your custom could potentially OS your opponent, though this is a risky option at best."

(Jul. 29, 2012  8:11 PM)Kai-V Wrote:

(Jul. 29, 2012  7:29 PM)Ingulit Wrote: I think the word "flat" would be better than "plastic" in this case, since any of the Flat variants can take advantage of Tornado Stalling. Also, I think the best way to word this might be to not say it at all, as you can get this point across just by emphasizing the result.

OK for "flat", but what is the result being emphasize ... ?

(Jul. 29, 2012  8:11 PM)Kai-V Wrote:

(Jul. 29, 2012  7:29 PM)Ingulit Wrote: I'm crossing out this section because, frankly, I don't firmly agree that it should be included. Stadium movement is sometimes a byproduct of tornado stalling, yes, but only if the stadium is not anchored in some way; this is not always true, however, and as such I would avoid mentioning it altogether.

If this does stay in the final draft of the article, I do want to have a clause that states "this is only true if the stadium is not anchored" or something of the like.

Sure, I will add something about the stadium not being anchored, which is what people do by default as far as I know.

(Jul. 29, 2012  8:11 PM)Kai-V Wrote:

(Jul. 29, 2012  7:29 PM)Ingulit Wrote: This makes Tornado Stalling sound very negative and/or something to avoid entirely. It definitely has its place in competitive blading, so I want to reword this:

"Because standard Attack types aim win in the first few seconds of a battle and typically have poor stamina, it is generally preferred to use the Sliding Shoot to maximize the chance for a KO. That said, if your custom has at least moderate Stamina, intentionally Tornado Stalling can be done if you feel that your custom could potentially OS your opponent, though this is a risky option at best."

I think your entire comment is "muted" (bad term) by the fact that it is clearly written "flat, rubber Bottoms". If the reader has a flat Bottom that is not made of plastic, like those that are listed beforehand, then that part does not apply.

(Jul. 29, 2012  7:29 PM)Ingulit Wrote:

Quote:With very aggressive customizations, like those using RF, R²F, LRF, MF, XF or WF, the force that wants them to move forward despite the circular shape of the BeyStadium and its slope being contained only by the Tornado Ridge pushes ferociously against this barrier and moves the stadium from side to side, in a linear, horizontal pattern. This shift of position can be enough to destabilize the other Beyblade spinning in the stadium, which will help the combo that is Tornado Stalling to outspin it even more.

I'm crossing out this section because, frankly, I don't firmly agree that it should be included. Stadium movement is sometimes a byproduct of tornado stalling, yes, but only if the stadium is not anchored in some way; this is not always true, however, and as such I would avoid mentioning it altogether.

If this does stay in the final draft of the article, I do want to have a clause that states "this is only true if the stadium is not anchored" or something of the like.

(Aug. 02, 2012  2:09 AM)Cake Wrote: CS tornado stalls nicely with a 20 degree bank, from my experience.

I think the passage about moving the stadium should be removed; causing the stadium to move is not a gimmick, like in Zero-G, so it is unintended and should probably be illegal. At Coach's Beydays tournament, the stadiums were Velcroed to the ground. I think there should be something in the rules covering Stadium motion.