Kreis Discussion. - Blitz - Jan. 23, 2012
I saw the other thread was closed so I thought I'd pitch in with the testing!
Defense Testing:
Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both
Worn CS, Calm, not shot at 100%
Slightly worn RF
Kreis customs shot first.
MF-H Kreis (Defense Mode) Aquario BD145CS VS MF VariAres CH120RF (Left Spin)
MF-H Kreis Aquario BD145CS: 11 Wins (All OS)
MF VariAres CH120RF: 9 Wins (All KO)
MF-H Kreis (Attack Mode) Aquario BD145CS VS MF VariAres CH120RF (Left Spin)
MF-H Kreis Aquario BD145CS: 7 Wins (All OS)
MF VariAres CH120RF: 13 Wins (All KO)
MF-H Kreis (Defense Mode) Aquario BD145CS VS MF Blitz (Assault Attack Mode) CH120RF
MF-H Kreis Aquario BD145CS: 12 Wins (11 by OS, 1 KO)
MF Blitz Unicorno CH120RF: 8 Wins (All by KO)
MF-H Kreis (Defense Mode) Cygnus 230CS VS MF VariAres CH120RF (Left Spin):
MF-H Kreis Cygnus 230CS: 10 Wins (All by OS)
MF VariAres CH120RF: 10 Wins (All by KO)
Bench Mark Tests:
Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both
Worn CS, Calm, not shot at 100%
Slightly worn RF
Basalt customs shot first
MF VariAres CH120RF (left spin) VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS:
Basalt: 10 Wins (1 KO, 9 OS)
VariAres: 10 Wins (All KO)
To be honest I've always been rubbish at KO'ing this thing... lol
MF VariAres CH120RF (Left Spin) VS MF-H Duo (Stamina Mode) Aquario 230CS:
MF VariAres CH120RF: 8 Wins (All KO)
MF-H Duo Aquario 230CS: 12 Wins (All by OS)
Stamina Testing:
Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both
Mint WD's, parts swapped half way.
Alternatively shot.
Kreis (Attack Mode) Cancer AD145WD VS Phantom (Stamina Mode) Cancer AD145WD
Kreis Cancer AD145WD: 0 Wins
Phantom Cancer AD145WD: 10 Wins (All by OS)
I redid the KO's that occurred but for people that want to know -
Phantom Cancer AD145WD: 5 KO's
Kreis Cancer AD145WD: 4 KO's
Kreis (Defense Mode) Cancer AD145WD VS Phantom (Stamina Mode) Cancer AD145WD
Kreis Cancer AD145WD: 0 Wins
Phantom Cancer AD145WD: 10 Wins (All OS) - Also got 1 KO which I redone.
Kreis (Defense Mode) Cancer AD145WD VS Duo (Stamina Mode) Cancer AD145WD
Kreis Cancer AD145WD: 0 Wins.
Duo Cancer AD145WD: 10 Wins (All by OS)
Kreis (Attack Mode) Cancer AD145WD VS Duo (Stamina Mode) Cancer AD145WD
Kreis Cancer AD145WD: 0 Wins.
Duo Cancer AD145WD: 10 Wins (All by OS)
I redid the KO's that occurred but for people that want to know -
Duo Cancer AD145WD: 4 KO's
Kreis Cancer AD145WD: 1 KO's
Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both
Mint D's, parts swapped half way.
Alternatively shot.
MF Kreis (Defense Mode) Cancer TH170D VS MF Phantom (Stamina Mode) Cancer TH170D
MF Kreis Cancer TH170D: 0 Wins
MF Phantom Cancer TH17D: 10 Wins (All by OS)
Both got 1 KO each which I redone.
MF Kreis (Defense Mode) Cancer TH195D VS MF Phantom (Stamina Mode) Cancer TH195D
MF Kreis Cancer TH195D: 0 Wins
MF Phantom Cancer TH195D: 10 Wins.
Again both got 1 KO each.
MF Kreis (Attack Mode) Cancer TH170D VS MF Phantom (Stamina Mode) Cancer TH170D
MF Kreis Cancer TH170D: 0 Wins
MF Phantom Cancer TH170D: 10 Wins (All by OS)
Phantom: 3 KO's rounds redone.
Kreis: 1 KO round redone.
Attack Testing:
Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both
Worn CS, Calm, not shot at 100%
Slightly worn RF
Basalt customs shot first
MF Kreis (Defense Mode) Cygnus CH120RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
MF Kreis Cygnus CH120RF: 1 Win (KO)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 14 Wins (All by OS)
MF Kreis (Attack Mode) Cygnus CH120RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
MF Kreis Cygnus CH120RF: 0 Wins
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 15 Wins (All by OS)
MF Kreis (Defense Mode) Cygnus S130RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
MF Kreis Cygnus S130RF: 2 Wins (Both KO's)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 13 Wins (All by OS)
MF Kreis (Attack Mode) Cygnus S130RF VS MH-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
MF Kreis Cygnus S130RF: 0 Wins
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 15 Wins (All by OS)
MF Kreis (Defense Mode) Cygnus 90RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
MF Kreis Cygnus 90RF: 0 Wins
Mf-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 15 Wins (All OS)
BD145MF Testing:
Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both
Worn CS, Calm, not shot at 100%
Slightly used MF
Basalt customs shot first
Kreis combo banked shot
MF Kreis (Defense Mode) Cygnus BD145MF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
MF Kreis Cygnus BD145MF: 0 Wins
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 10 Wins (All by OS)
Attack Stadium
Launcher Grip + BeyLauncher L/R for both
Worn CS, Calm, not shot at 100%
Slightly used MF
Basalt customs shot first
Kreis combo tornado stalling
MF Kreis (Defense Mode) Cygnus BD145MF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
MF Kreis Cygnus BD145MF: 1 Win (OS)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 9 Wins (All by OS)
Leviath's Testing:
Leviath Wrote:MF-H Kreis Bull BD145 CS VS MF-H Variares R145 RF
Tested on Takara Tomy BB-10 Attack Stadium
20 battles per test
Equipment:
Spoiler (Click to View)
Beylauncher LR
3 seg grip
Grip support
Grip rubber
Angle compass
LED sight
No additional weight was added in the launcher.
Slide shooting and Weak shooting was used.
RF&CS status
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TEST 1
Kreis efence mode
VariAres:Right spin
MF-H Kreis Bull BD145 CS
13 wins (7 KO 6 OS)
Win rate:65%
MF-H Variares R145 RF
7 wins (7 KO)
Win rate: 35%
2 Ties
TEST 2
Kreis:Attack mode
Variares:Right spin
MF-H Kreis Bull BD145 CS
8 wins (6 KO 2 OS)
Win rate:40%
MF-H Variares R145 RF
12 wins (12 KO)
Win rate:60%
1 Tie
DefStamina88 Testing:
(Apr. 19, 2012 2:25 PM)DefStamina88 Wrote: ATK Kreis VS Attack
Kreis Ketos AD145WD: 16/25 (all OS)
MF Gravity Perseus R145RF: 9/25 (all KO) DEF Kreis VS Attack
Kreis Ketos AD145WD: 11/25 (All OS)
MF Gravity Perseus R145RF: 14/25 (1 OS, 13 KO) ATK Kreis VS Defense
Kreis Ketos AD145WD: 13/25 (all OS)
Basalt Aquario 230CS: 12/25 (all OS) DEF Kreis VS Defense
Kreis Ketos AD145WD: 6/25 (All OS)
Basalt Aquario 230CS: 19/25 (17 OS, 2 KO) ATK Kreis VS Stamina
Kreis Ketos AD145WD: 15/25 (All OS)
Phantom Bull AD145WD: 10/25 (All OS) DEF Kreis VS Stamina
Kreis Ketos AD145WD: 3/25 (2 OS, 1 KO)
Phantom Bull AD145WD: 22/25 (all OS)
Kreis Cygnus SW145D VS MF-L Basalt Aquario AD145WD
Kreis: 13/20 (all OS)
Basalt: 7/20 (all OS)
Kreis %: 65%
Kreis Cygnus SW145D VS Phantom Bull 230WD
Kreis: 16/20 (all OS)
Phantom: 4/20 (all OS)
Kreis %: 80%
Sring Launcher + Grip (no added weight)
BB-10
Kreis Launched 1st
Kreis VS Defense
[spoiler]Kreis Cygnus SW145D VS MF-H Basalt Aquario BD145CS
Kreis: 12/20 (all OS)
Basalt: 8/20 (all OS)
Kreis %: 60% Kreis VS Short Stamina
Kreis Cygnus SW145D VS Phantom Cancer AD145WD
Kreis: 13/20 (12 OS, 1 KO)
Phantom: 7/20 (all OS)
Kreis %: 65% Kreis VS Tall Stamina
Kreis Cygnus SW145D VS Phantom Cancer 230D
Kreis: 10/20 (All OS)
Phantom: 10/20 (all OS)
Kreis %: 50% Kreis VS Spin Stealer
Kreis Cygnus SW145D VS MF Meteo L-Drago 100WD
Kreis: 17/20 (16 OS, 1 KO)
Meteo: 3/20 (all OS)
Kreis %: 85% Kreis VS Attack
Kreis Cygnus SW145D VS MF Gravity Perseus BD145RF (Left-Spin)
Kreis: 15/20 (all OS)
Gravity: 5/20 (all OS)
Kreis %: 75% Kreis VS Balance
Kreis Cygnus SW145D VS MF Hell Kerbecs BD145CS
Kreis: 16/20 (all OS)
Hell: 4/20 (all OS)
Kreis %: 80%
xXBlueHoodXx Testing:
MF Phantom Orion AD145WD vs. MF-H Kreis(Attack) Cygnus 100HF
MF Phantom Orion AD145WD win rate: 4/36 (4 OS)
MF-H Kreis (Attack) Cygnus 100HF win rate: 32/36 (31 OS, 1 KO)
MF-H Basalt Cygnus 230CS vs. Kreis Libra CH120HF
MF-H Basalt Cygnus 230CS win rate: 1/20 (1 OS)
Kreis Libra CH120HF win rate: 19/20 (17 OS, 2 KO)
BlueHood's Friends Testing:
MF-H Basalt Bull TH170CS vs. Kreis Cygnus CH120HF
MF-H Basalt Bull TH170CS win rate: 14/30 (10 OS, 4 KO)
Kreis Cygnus CH120HF win rate: 16/30 (All OS)
Duo Kerbecs BD145CS vs. Kreis Cygnus CH120HF
Duo Kerbecs BD145CS win rate: 17/30 (9 OS, 8 KO)
Kreis Cygnus CH120HF win rate: 13/30 (All OS)
MF Scythe Bull AD145WD vs. Kreis Cygnus CH120HF
MF Scythe Bull AD145WD win rate: 12/30 (All OS)
Kreis Cygnus CH120HF win rate: 18/30 (16 OS, 2 KO)
Last one :
MF-H Basalt Aquario AD145WD vs. Kreis Cygnus CH120HF
MF-H Basalt Aquario AD145WD win rate: 19/30 (All OS)
Kreis Cygnus CH120HF win rate: 11/30 (All OS)
Dan's Testing:
MF Flash Sagittario CH120RF vs. MF-H Kreis (Defense) Cygnus BD145RDF
MF Flash Sagittario CH120RF win rate: 20/20 (19 KO, 1 OS)
MF-H Kreis (Defense) Cygnus BD145RDF win rate: 0/20
RE: Kreis Discussion. - Cygnus - Jan. 23, 2012
It seems ok in defense, but it was carp in Stamina. Would you mind testing MF/H Kreis (Defense Mode) Aquario BD145CS vs MF Blitz Unicorno CH120R2F?
RE: Kreis Discussion. - Hazel - Jan. 23, 2012
So she's a fancy lookin' dame, but ain't much in a fight. Could you try mirror TH170Ds? Against Phantom and Duo again, svp.
RE: Kreis Discussion. - xSora10 - Jan. 23, 2012
To be honest, it's a swan. I really didn't expect it to put much of a fight..but actually, a swan can be quite vicious at times.
That gives me the idea that maybe it might be good for attack.
Thanks for the tests, Blitz!
RE: Kreis Discussion. - Blader Stefan - Jan. 23, 2012
So how is this in comparison to Death combos?
I would like to know that.
RE: Kreis Discussion. - Hazel - Jan. 23, 2012
Putting it through the usual attack combo matchup ringer would also be pretty neat, if you wouldn't mind, Blitz. Both modes, CH120, 100, S130, etc.
MF Kreis BD145MF would also be supreme~
RE: Kreis Discussion. - Ultra - Jan. 23, 2012
Cool. First round metal wheel in a while that isn't useful for both stamina and defence.
RE: Kreis Discussion. - Ga' - Jan. 23, 2012
Could you do some comparative tests with Vari CH120RF against Duo 230CS? To see how Kreis does compared to Duo.
RE: Kreis Discussion. - Dan - Jan. 23, 2012
What a shame, then again I wouldn't have guessed it doing any better after seeing those videos of if losing to RDF.
Try out MF Kreis Cygnus CH120RF vs. MF-H Basalt BD145CS.
If you're certain it stands no chance, don't bother.
RE: Kreis Discussion. - Hazel - Jan. 23, 2012
RDF can be a tricksy little hobbit, Dan. I believe Kei had some pure stamina customs be outspun by RDF combos at The Fifth Bey~
Honestly, after seeing how stiff the "sliding" was, though, my hopes for success were smashed like a stained glass window in a cannon duel. I'm thinking the only possible salvation will be a BD145MF combo, but even that seems a long shot...
See, we complain about too many good wheels being released, and this is what happens.
RE: Kreis Discussion. - Blitz - Jan. 23, 2012
Cygnus I'll give that ago, but I've never been that good at using Blitz (Oh the irony!)
Hazel I'll do the Attack Testing and the TH170D testing too.
I'll probably be able to get some of the testing up tomorrow however I have work in the evening so they'll be up Wednesday at the latest.
RE: Kreis Discussion. - Raigeko13 - Jan. 23, 2012
Try it on an attack combo.
As crazy as that sounds (which even in my eyes, it does) but you never know.
MF/MF-H Kreis ___ 85/CH120/BD145RF/R²F vs. MF-H Duo Aquario /BD145/TH170CS
If you could do that, that would be awesome.
inb4 hurr durr r u stoopeed
RE: Kreis Discussion. - Dan - Jan. 23, 2012
I loved this release as much as you did, Hazel.. How you manage to not burst into tears is beyond me.
Free-Spinning Metal Wheel. That just spelled out supreme overload Stamina.
Really? RDF takin' after CS, I see! Even then it lost by OS to other uncustomized beys so there was no hope.
It could just be my opinion but anything but Gravity on BD145MF is just wrong.
RE: Kreis Discussion. - Hazel - Jan. 23, 2012
I would not call you stupid, Rai, but the implication that you have not read the other posts made so far would not be too far off...
RE: Kreis Discussion. - Raigeko13 - Jan. 23, 2012
Hah, I just came here and requested. I began reading after I posted.
lolol
RE: Kreis Discussion. - JBladerMS - Jan. 24, 2012
Oh man...I really hoped Kreis would be good. Oh well
Could someone test Kreis__ B:D against PhantomKerbecs/Bull B:D? I'm thinking we should make the most of the free spinning wheel.
RE: Kreis Discussion. - Dan - Jan. 24, 2012
It isn't completely free-spinning by any means: it merely 'slides' 60 degrees in either direction.
(My memory might not serve well on the specifics of it, but basically it just slides.)
RE: Kreis Discussion. - LK-Sm0ke - Jan. 24, 2012
since it does not spin freely this can cause stamina loss when it gets hit.
when hit by a right spin bey the metal frame will whip back in the opposite direction of the Kreis wheel and slow it down even more
RE: Kreis Discussion. - JBladerMS - Jan. 24, 2012
Kreis disappoints me more and more. If anyone has time, give the B:D tests a shot, anyhoo.
RE: Kreis Discussion. - LK-Sm0ke - Jan. 24, 2012
at first i was really looking forward to this bey but it was really overrated except for the Cygnus clear wheel which is actually good for stamina and defense because of its weight
RE: Kreis Discussion. - kbuno50 - Jan. 24, 2012
How about MF-H Kreis Cygnus TH170RDF?
RE: Kreis Discussion. - Imperial - Jan. 24, 2012
(Jan. 24, 2012 3:00 AM)LK-Sm0ke Wrote: at first i was really looking forward to this bey but it was really overrated except for the Cygnus clear wheel which is actually good for stamina and defense because of its weight
Do you actually have any tests for the Cygnus Clear Wheel? I believe the weight for it hasn't been given yet, since the BeyWiki stub doesn't have it.
From the tests so far, Kreis seems to be a Metal Wheel just for collection.
RE: Kreis Discussion. - Dan - Jan. 24, 2012
(Jan. 24, 2012 3:12 AM)kbuno50 Wrote: How about MF-H Kreis Cygnus TH170RDF?
You could try and list out a formal request with an opponent, too.
(Jan. 24, 2012 3:00 AM)LK-Sm0ke Wrote: at first i was really looking forward to this bey but it was really overrated except for the Cygnus clear wheel which is actually good for stamina and defense because of its weight
Assuming you could actually test Clear Wheels accurately.
That is hard, to say the least..
RE: Kreis Discussion. - Hazel - Jan. 24, 2012
(Jan. 24, 2012 3:14 AM)Imperial Wrote: (Jan. 24, 2012 3:00 AM)LK-Sm0ke Wrote: at first i was really looking forward to this bey but it was really overrated except for the Cygnus clear wheel which is actually good for stamina and defense because of its weight
Do you actually have any tests for the Cygnus Clear Wheel? I believe the weight for it hasn't been given yet, since the BeyWiki stub doesn't have it.
From the tests so far, Kreis seems to be a Metal Wheel just for collection.
The weight is in the AkirasDaddy video, it's 3.26 grams.
RE: Kreis Discussion. - Janstarblast - Jan. 24, 2012
Ah, I am pretty much impressed with this part, for the moment.
It has been decent with its Defenses, but looks like Stamina is not its cup of tea...
I'd be looking forward to the tests requested by Hazel, as I am quite interested in it.
Looks like TT implies to the fact that Swans are meant to be peaceful...
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